It there were another...

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 3:35 am

Originally posted by Wild Bill:
If there were another Mega Campaign, what area-time frame would you like to play?

Wild Bill

how about the Russian Manchurian offensive of 1945?

Granted it might prove to be too much of a cakewalk for the Soviets but it seems little if any detailed attention has ever been placed on this.

It would certainly be a challenge from the Kwangtung Army's viewpoint

bobaloo000 · Post by **bobaloo000** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 4:49 am

Originally posted by kgvm:
Even if I like infantry battles I assume that most players prefere tanks. So - with sales in mind - the Eastern Front should be the first choice. But I understand the reasoning that this can interfere with sales of CL. And that's why I second the idea of an MC of the battles in Italy. Having already a MC with US troops I would prefere a core of British, Canadian or Polish forces, but presumably - sales numbers again - an US core should sell better, just look where most of the people posting came from.
But the idea of some small MC on one CD is also very interesting.
To conclude, I would buy both.

I would buy both as well. If I could only have one, I would choose the three small MC's.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 5:20 am

Fascinating posts, all of them! I can see MCs for every suggestion. I would need two life-times to do them all <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

But most of these suggestions work well with the smaller MC-type rather than the large ones.

So if (a big IF) we do get that chance and interest is keen enough, we'll more than likely do Italy. You already know the reasons as I mentioned in an earlier post.

I'm undecided about the forces but I believe we could include even as aux units many of the Allied forces involved.

How many countries attacked Monte Cassino. I know the Americans, British, New Zealanders, Australians, Polish, Indian,and Jewish all had a try at it.

Now that would definitely be a UN kind of war! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

While on the subject of Mega Campaigns, here is an announcement.

For those who have received MC-W, I wanted to let you know that we have made a patch so that you can see the parked aircraft on Henderson Field and the Japanese seaplanes.

The campaign will play just find without them but in some instances they are nice to have, such as attacks on parked aircraft on Henderson Field <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

This will be issued by David Heath shortly and will be announced on the forum.

If any of you already have MC-W and want these files, write me.

You simply unzip them and put them into your SHP directory inside your SPWAW folder.

Sorry for the inconvencience.

Wild Bill

richmonder · Post by **richmonder** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 8:06 am

Got your point, Bill. But as far as I can tell, the snag about the Italy campaign in regards to the various nationalities is the infantry characteristics of each nationality. Because the game only allows for one overall 'national characteristic' for a side, correct? That means if it's an 'American' campaign, the British infantry really can't be represented as to their tenacity. And it would be that way for whatever infantry is plugged in. Poles and Gurkhas would really be American, or Amis and Gurkhas would really be Brits. Whatever the case.

Although armor and airpower could be done rather well with multi-nationalities.

RichardTheFirst · Post by **RichardTheFirst** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 8:29 am

Ugh, only now I see this thread <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> . Hope I'm still in time for some more:

1 - Russian from the invasion til Moscow (almost all delay battles in that MC).

2 - Finns (should be wonderful to fight an attrition MC.

3 - KG Peiper in battle for the Bulge (very strategic MC I would imagine - lots of "should I go for this road or should I go for this road" <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> ).

4 - 101st Airbourne (Normandy, Arnheim, the Bulge) - should be interesting a MC with lots of air drops...

Mark Ezra · Post by **Mark Ezra** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 8:48 am

I'v given this a bit of thought: From a creative POV doing a "What if" based on some historic background would be fun for the design team. The two most obvious choices would be Sea Lion and Operation Olympic.

bchapman · Post by **bchapman** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 11:36 am

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Say what about a 9th Army Campain, starting with Anvil/Dragoon. (I think that's the right Army)

Pbear, I think you are talking about the 7th Army. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> I would like to see this one too. There were several Free French engagments in this area using US equipment

toundra · Post by **toundra** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 2:49 pm

Originally posted by Wild Bill:

How many countries attacked Monte Cassino. I know the Americans, British, New Zealanders, Australians, Polish, Indian,and Jewish all had a try at it.

Wild Bill

French, Moroccans, Algerians.
they were a bit decisive <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

http://www.accessweb.com/users/rbereznicki/over.html-ssi

ubertechie · Post by **ubertechie** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 3:26 pm

long time away - been in South Afirca and Poland - anyway - Ive offered efore to do a Sealion MC (with a little help) - i currently have about 50 battles done - its well researched - but last time i offered i got a P*ss poor response - even from WB and PW - if you guys dont want it fine - ill enjoy it myself - if you do let me know and maybe we can make it happen ...... - up to you guys
Cheers
Ubertechie

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:14 pm

Originally posted by bchapman:
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Pbear, I think you are talking about the 7th Army. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> I would like to see this one too. There were several Free French engagments in this area using US equipment

Well I was close 7th is only two less than 9th.

<img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Unknown_Enemy · Post by **Unknown_Enemy** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:58 pm

Sorry, but it was the 5th US army that incorporated the free frensh mountain infantry, not the 7th army.

It was indeed this unit that made the breakthrought on the side of Mnt Casino's defense line.

Unknown_Enemy · Post by **Unknown_Enemy** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:59 pm

Sorry, but it was the 5th US army that incorporated the free frensh mountain infantry, not the 7th army.

It was indeed this unit that made the breakthrought on the side of Mnt Casino's defense line.

AbsntMndedProf · Post by **AbsntMndedProf** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 11:20 pm

Here is an idea for a mini-campaign:

The Japanese invasion of Attu and Kiska, the only invasion of U.S. territory during WW II. Part of the Japanese decoy opperation associated with the battle of Midway, this often forgotten chapter of the history of WW II would make an interesting mini-campaign. (Assuming it hasn't already been made into one.)

Eric Maietta

AbsntMndedProf · Post by **AbsntMndedProf** » Wed Jan 09, 2002 11:21 pm

Correction: I should have said the invasion of Attu and Kiska was the only invasion of the mainland U.S. during WW II. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Eric Maietta

RolandRahn_MatrixForum · Thu Jan 10, 2002 12:49 am

Originally posted by AbsntMndedProf:
Here is an idea for a mini-campaign:

The Japanese invasion of Attu and Kiska, the only invasion of U.S. territory during WW II. Part of the Japanese decoy opperation associated with the battle of Midway, this often forgotten chapter of the history of WW II would make an interesting mini-campaign. (Assuming it hasn't already been made into one.)

Eric Maietta

If you want a campaign covering the Japanese invasion:
On Attu, the American forces defending the island consisted of an elderly scholteacher and his wife.
Kiska is another topic - a lieutennent and ten men were captured there.
I don't think that you can talk matrix into making a MC about this <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> .

I think that you talk about the recapture of Attu. That would be a great campaign. It was one of the bloodiest fightings in the PTO.

Anyway, if Matrix mke a MC covering Mont Cassino, I will buy it.
If they make a MC covering the capture of Attu, I will buy it.
If they make a MC covering [put in any battle/campaign], I will buy it.

Kind regards,
Roland

skukko · Post by **skukko** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 1:56 am

Hey guys and gals : Lets keep these suggestions in campaigns that CAN NOT be made in regular campaign editor. With inbuilt editors you can do 75% of these great battles and suggestions.

Sure there is possibility to do smaller MCs if allowed, I am not saying that, but thinking about MC and its structure, it demands more possibilities and differend paths than week or two lasting battles do offer. It can be done, but it would be waste of engine and its capabilities.

For example Ubertechies own work, Sealion, has according his words already 50 battles built. That is alot of work. ( Gongrats, pal <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> ) Think about it a while... Without better knowledge of these scenarios: If they are independent scenarios that are tight-depending of results, it cuts actuall battles, (ones that gamer sees) to 1/3 or even 1/6, -of 50. Not much to fight ? If these scenarios are not diverting anywhere, it would need at least 100 differend variations of each scenario, if attached to a MC. Does that campaign and events around it provide so much material that it want be just slight changes to base scenario? Does it feed designers imagination to do it from bottom of a heart? Is it worth of hundreds of hours of work from 20 -50 people?

Ubertechie has nothing to do with this post, it was taken as an example by me.

mosh

Jacc · Post by **Jacc** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 2:24 am

I have always just loved nearly desperate defence battles, like Germans defending against Soviet assault at spring 1945. And vice versa - crushing the enemy with your spearhead gives certain satisfaction. Therefore my vote goes for Eastern Front - however, minor countries should be shown more in the game. They also played their part.

j.guitar · Post by **j.guitar** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 2:43 am

Italian Campaign, great. West Front from either side, great, although as Germans ya might get tired of the Jabos after a while. Say a WF cmpgn on Panzer Lehr or Kampfgruppe Von Luck from Normandy to the Rhine would be kool. However I'm sure others would like to see something from the Allied or Soviet side. Also I agree that CL and Ca should be the priority right now.
Keep up the good work! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

A weapon is only as good as those trained to use it.

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 3:26 am

As far as big mega-campaigns I think we should represent Soviet and UK as playable. For those I think that a Soviet 1944 Bagration to Berlin mega-campaign could easily be the largest craziest yet. For the UK you could make a real enjoyable game of UK from Normandy to Market Garden or something. Italy does seem like a logical choice as well... Everything else seems like it would have to be a 'small' mega-campaign. Yugoslavia to Greece in Op Marita would be cool. I also think a small mega campaign about GD at Kursk, or 2nd SS PzCorp at Kursk.

Tomo

AbsntMndedProf · Post by **AbsntMndedProf** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 3:44 am

Roland posted:

I think that you talk about the recapture of Attu. That would be a great campaign. It was one of the bloodiest fightings in the PTO.

I stand corrected. (Btw: I had a junior high school teacher who was a retired bird colonel of the USMC. I think he would have given the Japanese a run for their money on Attu! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> )

I would also be more than willing to buy any MC of the Italian campaign, from the invasion of Sicily, to Anzio, to Monte Cassino, and anything in between!

Eric Maietta