Another Leader Bug savegame file

[dtravel]

I may have a new variation on the Leader Leak bug. (Then again, maybe not.) In progress game patched to 1.3, playing Allies against Japanese AI. Two AKs completed conversion to MLEs. Immediately check the ships as part of putting them in a TF and find that both ships appeared on map with Japanese officers in command. Anyone want the save game?

[pry]

Started in 1.3 or started in 1.21 and patched to 1.3

If game was started in 1.3 you can send me a save if it is a patched game dont as there is no way to tell what kind of old damage got carried over into the patched game

[dtravel]

Started under 1.1 actually. But I kinda expected the answer would be that, why I was asking.

I know it ain't your fault and I'm not blaming anyone, but since patching to 1.3 I've been seeing leaders disappearing to be replaced with enemy leaders, ship captains replaced with LCU officers, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. a HUGE amount. It seems like 1.3 has made the problem even worse than it was before. At least for me.

[PeteG662]

There are more leader bugs now than before.

[castor troy]

[:@]I agree with that! [&:]

[Tankerace]

Ok, I have a brand new game going in 1.3, have played into it 5 weeks, and the leader bug is there. I don't know how it couldn't have been seen, as it is plain as day, I may have a repeatable save, let me check.

So far I have seen 1 AD with a SDLR, and 1 DM with a Japanese Major.

EDIT: After checking, I have determined the commander of the DM Chandler was replaced bewteen 12/18 (My last save with the correct captain) and 12/25 (My earliest save with Tojo in command) I have so far run to 12/21 without him changing. Maybe I'll get lucky.

[Tankerace]

Sorry, no repeatable saves, but I can assure you, whatever thoughts that the bug are now disspelled. I have 1 DMS and 2 ADs with non-navy leaders in command. The only question is how long till Halsey goes...

[dr. smith]

In 1.3 game (from start to finish), I had Lady Lex in port with F Sherman as commander for the 21st Dec save, on the 23rd save, still in port I have ENS Kanda B. (a 76-57 rating!). When I formed a 2 CV TF, Swabbie Kanda commanded the the TF!

Ran 21st Dec save, Sherman still commander, so not repeatable . . . dernnabbit.

[PeteG662]

So it is a random bug! Wonderful! Playability of this game is suffering as this is a show stopper for me.

[Tankerace]

I know what you mean. I stopped a game I was in 7 months because of this bug, and everyone saying that 1.3 cured it. Right now I am extremely dissapointed. I guess I'll just have to look over every ship when I run a turn, and hopefully grab the guy before it leaves port.

[dr. smith]

It's not repeatable by just running the turn, something I did during that turn must have triggered it. I thought it might be replacing Ghormley in SouthPac HQ while it was in transit, but nope. Unfortunately, that turn was done a while ago. . .

[Tankerace]

Oh my God, 1.3 has made it worse than ever. Now the captains of the Lady Lex and the Sara have been replaced. The bug was more under control in 1.21! Let me see if I can get a repeatable save... or something.

[Tankerace]

Wow, this is interesting, I am going back through my saves. In 1 save, the Saratogas captain is Ramsey. 2 days later (the next save) it is a WO, and 4 days later (next save) he is a Japanese 1Lt. Whatever was done to "correct" the leader bug in 1.3, do the opposite and it should be fixed in 1.4! Still looking for repeatable saves....

[Tankerace]

I have a repeatable 1.3 save of the bug, who do I send it to? I just ran my 1/2/42 turn (Sartoga's leader is a WO), and on 1/3/42 he changed to a Japanese Major.

[Tankerace]

OK, I sent the file to pry, maybe now they can squash the bug for good. I agree though, it is far worse in 1.3. I have had several leader changes, and I count 4 on my carrier force. Worse part is, that save is from 1/2/42. What will happen when I get to '45?

[latosusi]

[:@]It is not any worse. It can't get any worse! Longer you play, more of your officers will
be replaced by jap officers. This is very irritating indeed. I have stopped playing hoping
that it will be fixed ASAP. This same problem has been there since very first version.
Why do we need more features when there are so many bugs?

[Tankerace]

I stopped playing my 1.21 game, because they said the leader bug was fixed. Since its not, and already 26 days in I have had 7 leader changes (that I know of), I am just gonna stop playing till it gets fixed, or at least slowed. I'll contiinue to work on War Plan Orange, but I see no reason to continue playing the big tomale when by the time I'm facing Jap suicide planes all my oficers are their breatheren.

Here is hoping that they can once and for all nail down the leader bug, and kill it. Then, run it over with a tank just to be sure.

The sad thing is in reality, I probably won't stop playing. Leader bug or not, this is the best da**ed game I own. Its just quite frustrating to loose good carrier captains to the Japanese. Its a pitty that something so relatively small can hang up so grand and good.

[latosusi]

Well said.

[dtravel]

I have this nasty suspicion that they may not be able to fix this. The more I hear about it and the more I see it happening in my own game, the more it seems like a broken database pointer. If I'm right (which I may not be), then it is probably buried WAAAAAYYYY deep in the code or possibly even in the design of the database itself.

Although..... Has anyone seen an air unit or LCU leader get replaced? Is it just Ship Captains and TF Leaders that this is happening to? I'm too brain dead from a crappy day to remember right now.

[Tankerace]

My ship captains, TF leaders, sub tf leaders, sub captains, and LCUs have all been affected. Air group leaders do the replacing, but don't get replaced.