Demo?

[Scott_WAR]

As I said the word "most" is relevant. You know whom most people refers to, in this case, is those that might be interested in buying this game.

Statistical data is not needed to know that most people would like to have a demo of a game before they decide to buy it. That takes the reasoning skills of a goat to figure out.


Most people, that are interested in getting the game, would like to see a demo. Thats a fact.

Most people could care less about this game, or a demo for it, but I think you knew what I meant.

[ratprince]

Mr. War;

I am glad that there is still a place to have a meaningful conversation in the world without being called a goat. Shewww...I thought I was back in grammar school for a minute there!

I am also glad that you have chosen to end debating with me about your use of the word "most." It is great to see that your cool, calm, mature persona has won through.

If you need any other help with semantics, syntax or statistical analysis, I am always available!

Have a great day!

Mike

[Scott_WAR]

LOL, I didnt call you a goat, I simply satated the level of reasoning necessary to understand that anyone who is thinking about buying a game, would want a demo to help with that decision.

Now if you feel you lack the reasoning skills necessary to understand that concept, then I wouldnt blame me, for I had nothing to do with your education.

However, if you fail to understand that the word most is usually used in context, which most people have no problems grasping, then you might want to look into further education. "Most" does not always refer to EVERYONE in the world. In fact the word "most" is rarely ever used in a global capacity. It is usually used in a manner relative to the conversation.

"Most people like broadband internet."
Most people understand that this does not mean that most people in the world like broadband, but rather that it means most people who use the internet, prefer broadband. Its not a hard concept to grasp, and I really think you fully understand. I just think you wanted to be a jerk.

[ravinhood]

Heh, let's change the context some.

MOST people would rather be given a million dollars than to buy GGWAW, now, do I really need any statistical documents to back this up? hehe

[Pippin]

There has been one time when I didn't buy a game because the demo was poor, (Mafia). I then got the whole package from a friend, and it played much better. So let that be a lesson, if your demo is crap, don't release it, LOL.

I lied. One other case has just sprung to mind. After downloading the new Axis & Allies demo by Atari, I knew I was not going to be a sucker for it. The thing went instantly into my trash bin without a second thought.

[Fred98]

If a demo is not possible, then a "movie" would be usefull.

It would need to demonstrate the features of the game and the User Interface.

[CheopisIV]

All this talk of Demos, goats, majority thinking, blah blah, incited me to post.....I too have decided to not buy a game based on a demo, I also have purchased games based on the demo. I am one who hates wasting my coin on games that don't deliver, especially with the stores now imposing a "no return or refund if packaging is opened" policy on games. I can totally understand this anti-piracy policy, but still refuse to buy a game without giving it a test run as I hate wasting money. If the game warrants me firing it up for a second go, I'll buy it, otherwise toss my "demo" and never return. A few games I've purchased due to testing first are NWN (and both expansions), Black and White, GuildWars (still beta, but purchased), Morrowind, Freedom Force, and on and on; but the sheer number of garbage games I havn't purchased due to poor game mechanics, playability, incessant bugs, or any other number of problems despite rave reviews over the past year alone dwarfs my purchased list for the past 5 years. Im selfish, and I believe that the gaming developers owe me quality merchandise for my money, especially with being an aspiring game programmer, and especially with the junk I've seen growing over the past years. All that being said, I'm sure I'll take another "leap of faith" on this game and buy it based solely on these forums and fanbase, and the obvious respect people have for the games from this developer. I am in desperate need of a replacement for my old Micropose Axis and Allies : Iron Blitz, which btw was the reason i built my first PC. [;)]

[ratprince]

Really! Lets change the subject already...

I understand you have given up debating the issue with me Scott, so lets move on to something we can discuss more rationally than these vague, nonsensical ideas of "most" people and such.

A demo is just not in the cards. Matrix has made this clear. Why continue the banter of a dead idea? Why not devote more time and energy to developing interpersoanl skills and polite, mannered decorum on these forums? That would be time well spent for many a folk.

Always here to help Scott.

Have a great day!

Later

[Pippin]

I am in desperate need of a replacement for my old Micropose Axis and Allies : Iron Blitz,

I believe it was Hasbro, not Microprose who should get credit for BOTCHING up the Iron Blitz project. That game was such a joke in the community that even Larry refuses to have a section for it on his forum. Some people think the worst disaster in the gaming industry was the E.T. scam Atari pulled back in the 80's. But I think Hasbro deserves to take the cake on this one.

[Becket]

ORIGINAL: Pippin

Some people think the worst disaster in the gaming industry was the E.T. scam Atari pulled back in the 80's...

Hey! You could find M&Ms!

hee. God, that game is outstanding for sucking in an era of suckiness.

[CheopisIV]

nope, Microprose it was, says so on the big ugly 81/2 x 11 box...it does say Hasbro too, perhaps liscensed to Microprose by Hasbro??..no matter, its true that the only way to play that game effectively was online, and even then I'd prefer the actual boardgame except for the setup

[Pippin]

Does Meyer/Glass Interactive also show up on the box? It is my understanding M/G did the piss poor development while Hasbro hyped it with a little false advertisement. What Microprose did on it, is very interesting.

[Scott_WAR]

It was developed by microprose, and published by Hasbro. Heh, I bought the version with the original A&A and iron blitz. I gave blitz away, I figured the porice was correct for its worth, and kept the original, which I still have, but dont play anymore, since triplea allows you to play any edition of A&A including revised.

Mike, they said no demo is planned at this time. With your anal focus on grammer you should know full well that does not mean they are not going to make one at all. They could be plannng one at a later time.
Anyway mike, I think its time you let it go.

[ratprince]

Scott;

I agree. Thank you for understanding. Lets move on to bigger and more relevant topics than Matrix not releasing a demo.

If there is anything else I can do to help, just let me know.

Have a great day!

Mike

[CheopisIV]

ORIGINAL: Pippin

Does Meyer/Glass Interactive also show up on the box? It is my understanding M/G did the piss poor development while Hasbro hyped it with a little false advertisement. What Microprose did on it, is very interesting.

Meyer/Glass is on the box, big logo similar to the Hasbro icon..also appearing are the logos for;

RAD Gametools, REM Infografica, Smacker (rest of text unreadable) and of course my "Special Mail-In Rebate Offer!" expiring June 30, 2000

[riley555a]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

You know I might agree with you to a point Scott, but, then on the other side of the fence, many times I have gotten a demo and that was all I ever required of the game. I have a Rise of Nations demo, Doom demo, Restaurant Tycoon demo and several more that, well they were all I really needed for those games. So in some cases a demo can damage sales as opposed to that "wonderment" of what the game is really all about, what the hype by all the other forumers or players is all about, with a demo you know, without it you have "wonderment" and thus for some people "interest" and thus go out and buy it even if it does suck to you later on. lol

Well they can make the demo very limited, just so people can get an idea of what kind of game it is, whether they like the way it's played, and how well it would run on their system. You can put a time limit on demos. What the creators of this game should do is make a demo and have it based on a small part of the map and put a 60 minute timer on it, once that timer runs out so does the demo. But Matrix could make it so that to obtain the demo you have to e-mail them for it, then they give you a one-use password with 60 minutes play time on it, or something of that sort(I think with this system sales wouldn't be damaged so much with a demo). This game is pretty big, it's kind of a rip not having a demo to see if you'd like to buy it. There is nothing worse than buying a game to find out you don't like it. But maybe Matrix doesn't want people to be able to sample the game before they buy, because some people might decide not to buy it heh. I've done that myself, planned to purchase a game, tried the demo, found it wasn't what I was hoping for then didn't buy the game.

[targul]

A demo wont bother the sells in this game. As I have stated before no store in the Los Angeles--San Bernardino area intends to carry any copies other then Special Orders.

I called them all and not one has ordered one copy more then they have a special order for if any.

That is EB games, Best Buy and Comp USA.

Now if they had given a free demo maybe someone would have gotten that and bought the game but no it is simply not available to the general public. Not one employee of Matrix understands that.

This hold up on the DD is only a game that Matrix made up in there mind. Luckily most of the other war game producers are moving to DD from retail.

Too bad Matrix is wasting so much time and money.

This only harmed loyal customers. They provide good customers with no incentive to buy there product for what they believe are new customers who will never even see it on the shelves.

Anyway, I waited and finally bought HOI2. It is a good game and I may pick up a copy of this when someone sells a copy on Ebay at deep discounts.

Good Luck!

[targul]

Support Matrix? NOPE.

I have bought there DD's and now they are not offering them until the stores get the game. It is the sellers responsibility to support the customers who have been loyal.

I have put buying this game on hold simply because of Matrix attitude on this game. Instead I bought HOI2 which I had no intention in buying but Matrix really upset me with their attitude that good customers will buy it anyway and we dont care what they do.

BTW, HOI2 is better then I thought which makes me happy because my game for this quarter had been World at War but I will not support a company who believes I have no choices in what to do with my money.

[Pippin]

I have a theory that if DD was available before hand, there may have been some users arguing that this DD was a scam to get sales by cutting the middle man, and forcing us to wait if we want to go the EB route.

[ratprince]

Targ;

Good luck with HOI2. Too bad you couldnt be patient. [:-]WAW will be "the" game to end all games.[:'(]

See ya around.

later;

Mike