I love the idea of a modern SP game with all the improvements of SPWAW. It would be difficult, but hey, we would have to pay for this one. I am sure Matrix would figure out how to do it and make us like it.
Anyways, the biggest problem with SP3's rendition of modern battles were the track hits. You could absolutely not take a company of M1A2s against a far inferior tank regiment without nearly getting wiped out by track hits. So I guess I would be really happy if that was all they fixed. Not that I would pay more than 5 bucks if that was all they did.
Are there are any plans to do a MODERN SP version?
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Sorry guys i am not a modern guy. I love the old times. Would rather see a WWI or you people do a civil war one. I have played civil war for years. I would say most likely everyone that has been on the mkt. Some were good and some were bad. Blue and the gray was one i liked. If you people went into civil war i think i would pay almost anything to have that game. My mouth waters at the thought of the graphics and the sounds.
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GeneralOberst Teufel
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I for one, am partial to the WWII arena of Battle but would support a Modern Version. I do tend to agree that a 50 year span would be cumbersome to undertake and produce a fine quality product. I vote for a 10-20 block release several "Era/Time period" games I would gladly pay for a fine product such as SPWAW. ( I have just downloaded the game and senarios, played for several hours last night and enjoyed myself what a improvement over the original SP series). Keep up the good work and keep em comming
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Though I prefer WWII, i suppose I'd like a modern game too, but with
- attack helos treated as air support, only they would back away once they'd fired instead of crossing the map
-transport helos treated as the para carrying cargos (but no landing casualties and less dispersal from the target hexes)
- limited accuracy for anything that fires through smoke (shouldn't it make all laser range-finders useless ?); coupled with the mass of system damage tanks suffer in SPWAW this would prevent "vision superiority" to be too much of an advantage
- much better designed unit costs (for instance in SP2 a T-90 is about the same cost as the US hi-tech tanks while much less effective)
WWI would be great too... if something can be found to simulate
- the infantry charges (maybe very limited command points and only large formations ?)
- real hand-to-hand combat (with bayonets !)
Once you've accomplished that, you will gone half the way towards a good civil war/napoleonic game for which multi-hex formations would also be needed
And then you can even make a new version for SPWAW including computer-handled formation manoeuvers !
- attack helos treated as air support, only they would back away once they'd fired instead of crossing the map
-transport helos treated as the para carrying cargos (but no landing casualties and less dispersal from the target hexes)
- limited accuracy for anything that fires through smoke (shouldn't it make all laser range-finders useless ?); coupled with the mass of system damage tanks suffer in SPWAW this would prevent "vision superiority" to be too much of an advantage
- much better designed unit costs (for instance in SP2 a T-90 is about the same cost as the US hi-tech tanks while much less effective)
WWI would be great too... if something can be found to simulate
- the infantry charges (maybe very limited command points and only large formations ?)
- real hand-to-hand combat (with bayonets !)
Once you've accomplished that, you will gone half the way towards a good civil war/napoleonic game for which multi-hex formations would also be needed
And then you can even make a new version for SPWAW including computer-handled formation manoeuvers !
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Some of the problems might be solved, yup. And I can see some of the fights, too! Bay of Pigs II, Castro vs Babtista redux, Czechs vs USSR (what if the Army had joined the anti-Soviet side?), Belgians in the Congo, French in IndoChina, Mao vs Kai Sheck on the mainland...lots of fertile territory there!Originally posted by Dave R:
By shifting the emphasis away from the big hypothetical 'what if' battles, to the smaller 'bushfire' conflicts, many of the problems of such a big time period would be negated, and in my oppinion a very refreshing change!
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The problem with cutting off in 1982 is, you cut that nasty little set to in SWA off in the middle. Say 1950 to 1975, with the end of the Vietnam War and the Portuguese pull-out of their colonies as the period mark. Then do 1975 to 2005 as the second half, with the electronic battlefield and the later "little wars". Of course this cuts off the Bush war in the middle, but hey, you can't have everything.
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Hi y'all
Just wanted to throw in my two cents; I think a modern version would be fun, but as I've seen mentioned earlier I would rather the time frame be small enough to concentrate on bringing a specific era's tactics to life. I would really like to see some gaming in the 60's to to late 70's, especially the Egypt/Israeli conflict (the birthplace of modern tank warfare). You guys are good, I would pay money for such a game.
I wish you guys the best.
Just wanted to throw in my two cents; I think a modern version would be fun, but as I've seen mentioned earlier I would rather the time frame be small enough to concentrate on bringing a specific era's tactics to life. I would really like to see some gaming in the 60's to to late 70's, especially the Egypt/Israeli conflict (the birthplace of modern tank warfare). You guys are good, I would pay money for such a game.
I wish you guys the best.
Yeah i now but you cant blame a dude for trying. MuuhahahahahahOriginally posted by troopie:
The problem with cutting off in 1982 is, you cut that nasty little set to in SWA off in the middle. Say 1950 to 1975, with the end of the Vietnam War and the Portuguese pull-out of their colonies as the period mark. Then do 1975 to 2005 as the second half, with the electronic battlefield and the later "little wars". Of course this cuts off the Bush war in the middle, but hey, you can't have everything.
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Scanning through all the requests for a modern version of SPWW, there seems a heck of a lot of nostalgia (going by the handles) for ole' WW2 simply because it had the Waffen SS. (please correct me if I'm wrong) Hey, there are plenty of elite military formations in modern armies that could be replicated if you really want to, from the IDF special formations like Golani though to the British Paras and Spetznaz (and the PRCs own Naval Assault Brigades - who have fought - and defeated - ARVN, NVA, ROC and Philippino units in the last 26 years. Unless its small units in cool camo uniforms fighting impossible odds. Well, don't forget Croatia's "HOS" Militia Brigade, who defended Vukovar against the Serbs while dressed up in full Waffen ss camo gear...well..it makes life interesting I guess...
Hi Big Toe - the Battle of Vukovar was actually a siege during the Croation "war of Independence" in 1991/92. The regular Croation armed forces were still being organised and there loads of paramilitary outfits, unusually for such formations, well armed and equipped and trained. The HOS militia were the military arm of the Croation Party of Rights, a pretty much extremist nationalist formation that harked back to WW2. They went all the way by adopting WW2 Croation, Axis and Ustacha insignia and uniforms (who knows where these came from..re-enactors cast offs, movie props?!?!) Anyway, they fought well, holding of JNA mechanised and armoured units for a month or so, but their politics alienated them from the regular Croat military (and everyone else for that matter!), and they were eventually wiped out (the JNA took NO prisoners). The HOS commander, Anton Paraga, was later jailed by the Croation military for subversion.
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Hey, how about a hypathetical game where all units and countries between The Boer War and now were made and armies from different eras were pitted against each other, with the old armies far outnumbering the modern ones. NO?
Okay then, so it's a bad idea. I just want to say that I'm doing some coursework on Vietnam, and can you tell me of any sites where I can get some good research, or even if any wargame would be Ed... Educ.....Educational (Groan), as this would be an excuse for even more wargaming by me!
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Okay then, so it's a bad idea. I just want to say that I'm doing some coursework on Vietnam, and can you tell me of any sites where I can get some good research, or even if any wargame would be Ed... Educ.....Educational (Groan), as this would be an excuse for even more wargaming by me!
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