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ORIGINAL: kaybayray

Well if I could figure out how to embed an image in a replay I could show you some of the strats I've been developing. I have a couple screen captures that I have added some text to and saved as a .jpg file.

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KayBay


click "post replay"
enter some meaningless text
click on teh box "embed picture in post"
click "click here to upload"
search for the pic you want to post
click "ok"
you will see: "File Uploaded Successfully. "
click ok

and dada...there should be a picture in your post

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Swift,
I did that but I saw no image appear in the post. I tried that before I posted asking for help figuring out how to do it.

I will try again here.... not much to choose from here at work... should be interesting what I find on my computer.




Well I did exactly as you instructed but as you can not see... there is no image on my post......


is there any thing I need do other than click OK after the upload is done? I am assuming that the image should appear in the post I am creating so that I can actually see it.....

Later,
KayBay




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OK.. I did not see the image until after I submitted it.... is there a way I can see it before I submit the post?



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there is the "preview" button........[8D]
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what is in your picture....looks like a stainless steel ventilation shaft or something similar....
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Swift,
I tried the Preview but saw nothing there... once I submitted the post.. then I could see the image on the post.

The image is of the Condensation columns of a Vapor Degreaser in my Optics Fabrication Department. I am the only Process Engineer at this facility so I deal with every problem and every person from the President to the building cleaning crew. Thats why I love this game so much. I get to bomb the crap out of Factories and provide endless disasters for other Engineers to deal with. LOL [:D]

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Well hopefully my image will make it... so I will describe it.

The screenshot shows what I have developed to be my standard BC Raid Strategy.

I fly flanking seduction groups in about 20-30 minutes in front of my strike groups. The seduction forces consist of groups of 3 RCM AC in Following Stream at 2 min intervals at 12,000 feet. I plot groups of 3 NI along the route of the RCM AC at 14,000 feet. My strike groups consist of 1 PF group with 4-6 BG's attached at 10,000 feet. I fly them to their Urban targets where I place individual RCM and NI AC at their respective altitudes.

I also place RCM and NI AC over Luftwaffe AF that I have determined are operating NF AC. I will also place NI AC at AF that I suspect my be Patrol Points for Luftwaffe NF AC during my strikes. These AC will be there during and long after the strike. Most of my Kills have been landing AC that have been RTB damaged or bingo.

This strategy has worked quite well IMHO. I can expect a minimum of 10-15 Kills from RTB Luftwaffe AC and 3-6 Kills of Luftwaffe NF AC that are engaging my AC. I also typically lose <3-6 of my AC to Luftwaffe NF AC. Most of my losses are due to Flak at the target area. I typically average 20-30 Luftwaffe AC Destroyed from this kind of strike with <15 of my AC lost. Yes disaster do happen but not that often. I tend to pay close attention to what happens during all of my strikes bot Daylight and Night so that I can glean some valuable Intel. I guess you could say that aspect is gaming the game but hey if Talonsoft didnt want me to actually see where enemy AC were launching and landing they would not appear on my map.

I am currently working on another bit more aggressive and demanding strategy. I will show a screenshot of that and include some Intel later. I have some other things I want to talk about and ask some of you experienced and more skilled players about though. That will be future posts.

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KayBay

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OK, here is what I am working on now with BC. I call it my Top Cover Strategy. It may seem a bit rediculous to some of you but in the few tests I have run it has worked very well.

The image I am attaching here is from one of my earliest tests. It consists only of the NI and RCM AC in the Cover Pattern. This is the "Top Cover". It consists of 2 layers. The top most layer at 14,000 feet are my NI AC. They are placed individually at orbit sites in the grid pattern you see. The next layer is below this one and consists of RCM AC placed individually along the central column at 12,000 feet.

As you can see it can cover an extremely large region which can cover a large number of AF and and avenues of approach to the strike forces that will be operating below. These formations can stay on site for 90-120 minutes at this depth of penetration before they must RTB.

These formations are flown in 30 minutes ahead of the strike groups. The Urban targets are encompassed withing the region of the Top Cover formation. The Strike Groups stream under the cover and each strike force hits its indivdual Urban target and returns a significant distance to their recovery bases under the cover.

In practice this has worked very well. The NI AC attack all Luftwaffe AC landing under the Cover and have also intercepted many Luftwaffe NF AC as they operate under the cover trying to engage my strike groups. I have had several missions where entire squadrons of Luftwaffe NF AC were destroyed as they all landed at a AF under the cover. The couple times I have run the full on mission I have lost <10 AC total and destroyed >50 enemy AC. Most all losses due to Flak. I have only run this a couple times so not sure how it will pan out over the long haul. But I am workin on it.

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Hard & Swift;

Excellent Bomber Command operational comments.

Don't forget to add...

Keep the 2nd TOT - Time over Target -- to a minimum!

One "Big Lumpy Mission" takes forever to cross the target.
The same number of squadrons spread out over a few more missions, with the leader(s) timed to arrive simultateous-ly (sp?), the whole mission is compressed.

Does this improve the chance to start a firestorm? I dunna know!

Lastly,
I thought WAD meant "Wild-As***-Dieroll!" [;)]

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OK, here is what I am working on now with BC. ...
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I have only run this a couple times so not sure how it will pan out over the long haul. But I am workin on it.

Later,
KayBay [8D]

... image ...

Kbay;

Good concept, but...

Remember what Swift said about night intruders needing alot of rest...
and, tie that with your last statement. I think you'll find that to be the problem. Night fighter fatigue!!

Don't forget, you only have 200 missions/day total. From the picture, you have used 72x just setting out the NI & RCM.

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not sure about the firestorm part, but muilt missions from different angles gets better creep back damage

the idea of the screenshot looks good, hassle is, doing it every turn, or, plot a turn, then get some bad weather/bad moon, and then trying to find the "current" airfields again

really a big hassle is, you can plot the perfect raids, and gain nothing, be lazy, and get great results, just depends on luck of the draw

Really though, the idea is to combine, 2nd Tac and BC into a combined force, let 2nd Tac raid airfields and take out radar sites during the day, then follow up with BC that night, though that area

late war, when you get the Jammers up, that can be alot of fun, plot a couple to fly with the raid, and then place singles over all of the known working radar sites, can really make a mess of the defences

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Hey Sarge, Swift [8D]

Yeah I cant run this every day. Typically I run this large strike and then stand down at least 1 day but many times 2-3 days. The most I have been able to work BC like this is 2 days consecutively then forced to stand down 3 days to recoop.

The guys I work the most are Recon units. I recon the crap outa AF to locate Luftwaffe assets. This doesnt leave a lot left over for Target Recon so I am pretty careful with the use of that.

Yes I use my tactical Bomb Groups heavily but not for hitting AF. Dealing with the Mandatory Target Constraints is really hackin me off. Jeez if I could just follow my own strategy I could end the war before D-Day. But I keep having to launch raids not properly covered due to the lack of real Escort AC at heavily defended Mandatory targets that are realitively deep into enemy territory. This is extremely costly. So I seasaw between Heavy Bomb Groups filled out, high morale and shredded Bomb Groups hiding from the Boogieman. [8D]

I use my Tactical Bomb Groups to hit the targets I want to work. I did a lot of study on what really did have an effect in the war. So I am working on breaking down Transportation and Power in Western Europe until better Escort AC come online and I have more Heavy Bomb Groups to work with. Then I can work on real heavy industry.

As I mentioned my use of Recon is primarily for AF. I do this to locate Luftwaffe AC. I cycle through heavy Fighter Sweep strikes to suppress enemy AC response. This causes me to go a couple days before I can really use a lot or Recon for Strategic targets. So I ration the use of Recon for Strategic targets and only look at impending strike targets on a daily basis. I follow up on raids at intervals to track repariation.

My strategy with Daylight forces has been:

1) Suppress enemy Fighter AC that can respond to my strikes (my Day/Night groups)

2) Transportation and Power Strategic targets to effect German Industry.

3) Mandatory Targets.

With BC:

1) Urban targets.

2) Luftwaffer NF units.



Thanks much for the info on the RCM AC. I was not sure how they work in the game, IE: put them at the Radar site to supress the Radar station or put them over targets to mask my units. I will try shifting them to the Radar sites.

Later,
KayBay [8D]

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