WEST FRONT update 2010-2011

[marcbarker]

This is true Ladmo. High regards for warhorse, Huib and others. They are gentlemen extroidnaire. I just quit the Campaign series is all, with all my mods. I did send copyright papers on what I was doing so no problem there. Have Fun all. But I will play hot seat with my son. That is all that counts. Besides our attention is going to another facet of warfare. The stargeic Level. The Civil War.

[sfinlay]

Seeing as how the new encryption has already been "broken", thus giving any tech-savvy gamer a considerable advantage over others, and human nature being what it is, any type of encryption will tend to be overcome by some purely for the sake of it,  would it not make more  sense to look into Borsooks more elegent solution to the cheating problem?

[marcbarker]

I would have to agree with you. A simple routine could validate a checksum table that is read only and  if that routine sees that the sum is off it won't allow that scenario to be played by PBEM. Problem Solved. Anyhoo, Later taters

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: Ladmo

I am hoping Matrix Legion Encyrption will be as easy as it is advertised. I have even suggested documenting any changes, just to let them know what I am up to. Last I checked, I wasn't getting an answer on that one.

Apologies, Ladmo

Thought I mentioned that would be an excellent idea.

Jason Petho

[Krec]

this discussion is way too deep for me i just aim and shoot
 
 
 
 

[dgk196]

We're supposed to aim too?

Its always something, if it isn't this than its that............

Dennis

[marcbarker]

I just play and that is it..no muss no fuss

[Temple]

OK, I can't take it anymore, I have to say something...

Gentlemen, it's not "mute" or "mote". It's "moot".

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

[size="-1"]NOUN:[/size] 1. Law A hypothetical case argued by law students as an exercise. 2. An ancient English meeting, especially a representative meeting of the freemen of a shire. [size="-1"]TRANSITIVE VERB:[/size] Inflected forms: moot·ed, moot·ing, moots
1a. To bring up as a subject for discussion or debate. b. To discuss or debate. See synonyms at broach4[/size]5. 2. Law To plead or argue (a case) in a moot court. [size="-1"]ADJECTIVE:[/size] 1. Subject to debate; arguable: a moot question. 2a. Law Without legal significance, through having been previously decided or settled. b. Of no practical importance; irrelevant. [size="-1"]ETYMOLOGY:[/size] Middle English, meeting, from Old English mt, gemt. [size="-1"]OTHER FORMS:[/size] mootness —[size="-2"]NOUN[/size]
[size="-1"]USAGE NOTE:[/size] The adjective moot is originally a legal term going back to the mid-16th century. It derives from the noun moot, in its sense of a hypothetical case argued as an exercise by law students. Consequently, a moot question is one that is arguable or open to debate. But in the mid-19th century people also began to look at the hypothetical side of moot as its essential meaning, and they started to use the word to mean “of no significance or relevance.” Thus, a moot point, however debatable, is one that has no practical value. A number of critics have objected to this use, but 59 percent of the Usage Panel accepts it in the sentence The nominee himself chastised the White House for failing to do more to support him, but his concerns became moot when a number of Republicans announced that they, too, would oppose the nomination. When using moot one should be sure that the context makes clear which sense is meant.

Other than that... Jason, it amazes me how you can have so much patience.

barker, you need to step back and gain a little perspective on this issue. You may not agree with some of the things that Jason and his folks have done, but they have resurrected a great old game series and made it viable for today's users. And they have pretty much done it out of love. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's much better than it originally was, and it's getting better with each (free!!!) update.

[borsook79]

ORIGINAL: Temple

barker, you need to step back and gain a little perspective on this issue. You may not agree with some of the things that Jason and his folks have done, but they have resurrected a great old game series and made it viable for today's users. And they have pretty much done it out of love. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's much better than it originally was, and it's getting better with each (free!!!) update.

You're right, but probably this all could be avoid if any valid logical reason for this controversial decision had been supplied. Of course if such a reason exists.

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: Temple

Gentlemen, it's not "mute" or "mote". It's "moot".

I was hoping to silence the issue with mute.

HA!

Jason Petho

[1925frank]

A moot issue that won't stand mute. 
 
 

[sfinlay]

To be fair, Barker had a perfectly valid point. Other issues about the game, e.g. visibility and assault rule changes, have been discussed at length and have subsequently been made optional. I don't see why the subject of encryption should be any different. But then the point will remain moot as long as some remain mute.  [:)]

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: flying scotsman

To be fair, Barker had a perfectly valid point. Other issues about the game, e.g. visibility and assault rule changes, have been discussed at length and have subsequently been made optional. I don't see why the subject of encryption should be any different. But then the point will remain moot as long as some remain mute.  [:)]

Self-serve encryption is available with 1.02-1.02b.

Regulated encryption is available with 1.03+ by posting on the board.

Jason Petho

[sfinlay]

Unfortunatley encryption is also "self-serve" with 1.03+  By those that know how.
As I mentioned earlier, this could potentialy put alot of players at a very big disadvantage.

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: flying scotsman

Unfortunatley encryption is also "self-serve" with 1.03+  By those that know how.
As I mentioned earlier, this could potentialy put alot of players at a very big disadvantage.

A never ending cycle.

There will always be a way by those so inclined.

Jason Petho

[sfinlay]

Exactly, that's the point i'm trying to make. Why have it in the first place when it doesn't do what it's suppossed to ?
Other ways to combat the problem have been suggested on this thread. Would it not be a good idea to consider these ?
I'm not particularly technically minded but  it seems to me Borsooks ideas, if feasible, would appear to keep everyone happy ?

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: flying scotsman

Exactly, that's the point i'm trying to make. Why have it in the first place when it doesn't do what it's suppossed to ?
Other ways to combat the problem have been suggested on this thread. Would it not be a good idea to consider these ?
I'm not particularly technically minded but  it seems to me Borsooks ideas, if feasible, would appear to keep everyone happy ?

It is a work in progress.

I am sure 1.05 will see additional measures.

Jason Petho

[marcbarker]

1.05 hmmmmm would that be 2010 or 2020 or later......I just gave up...At least the other games Matrix has does not do this alot....Forge of Freedom...great Game, Easily modded and easily playable. I have not read any issues of where the CSA had 12 navies with Ironclad going against the USN with Frigates....or a partisan group with Henry Rifles....Like I said prior....it is up to the individual of how he plays the game. Why not have an option on Instal to dim the PBEM on unencrypted (Non Functional). That way the consumer can choos on purchase what version they want...does that make any sense to the OOB Mafia...lol...just kidding....I really go so disgusted with this series of games I just turned elsewhere with a matrix product. Matter of fact they even help with the files so you can learn more of the game. Now that is cool support...not a funnel type of support.

[borsook79]

ORIGINAL: barker

1.05 hmmmmm would that be 2010 or 2020 or later......I just gave up...At least the other games Matrix has does not do this alot....Forge of Freedom...great Game, Easily modded and easily playable. I have not read any issues of where the CSA had 12 navies with Ironclad going against the USN with Frigates....or a partisan group with Henry Rifles....Like I said prior....it is up to the individual of how he plays the game. Why not have an option on Instal to dim the PBEM on unencrypted (Non Functional). That way the consumer can choos on purchase what version they want...does that make any sense to the OOB Mafia...lol...just kidding....I really go so disgusted with this series of games I just turned elsewhere with a matrix product. Matter of fact they even help with the files so you can learn more of the game. Now that is cool support...not a funnel type of support.

While I also dislike the encryption idea, this is still one of the best games I've ever played and it is getting better and better with every patch. One should not let the annoyance over one small issue overshadow that which is after all most important - that playing the game is fun.

[tide1212]

Although as stated in ealier posts it's not the grunts on the ground doing the work on this title that made the decision it was the boys in the office so it is a moot,mute,Mote? point [;)] 
As for no other update until 2010-2020 [:D]  That again is the boys in the office. They want us working on other stuff ( And it's gonna be good [8D] ) as posted earlier. With at the most a half dozen people working on these titles at any time the estimates are not that far off [8|] 
 
So sit back fire up your Panthers and enjoy blasting those T34's or Shermans or whatever. Or go find something else to play [X(] it's all fun.
 
The veiws and opinions stated in this post are not in anyway the veiws and opinions of Matrix Games or their sponsers.
They are just mine and they might be wrong [>:]
 
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