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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
For a man trying to recover from his WitP addiction it sure seems to me that Canoerebel spends a great amount of time on the Forum. For a recovering addict is this a good or bad thing?
Worse than that, I think I saw him playing "Keno" in an airport bar last week.[8|]
ORIGINAL: Apollo11
IMHO the "Thin Red Line" movie by Mallick is, for me, closer to what I felt when I read the book (and other similar books made after WWII - for example "Naked and the Dead") !
Leo "Apollo11"
ORIGINAL: BrucePowers
Remember Audie Murphie was a war hero. He was awarded the Medal of Honor. He only became an actor when he could not stay in the Army due to his war wounds.
ORIGINAL: Anthropoid
All very true about "Americans getting too much credit" when they barely suffered 600,000 casualties (KIA, MIA, wounded) compared to the millions suffered by other nations/nationalities
ORIGINAL: timtom
...oh, and the number of VD hospitalisations were 1,324,698
ORIGINAL: timtom
The official casualty figure is 1,077,245 although these things are slippy depending on the definitions one uses. Not that it has any bearing on the point you're making.
...oh, and the number of VD hospitalisations were 1,324,698
ORIGINAL: Anthropoid
The numbers that really made my eyes google out were the casualty numbers for Russia and China.
ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
When I was in school I was told the American casualties (dead people) was between 300k and 400k. So if the same soldier is wounded 4 times during the war this makes "4 casualties"? [;)]
I prefer the old statistics, the ones I learned in school.
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The numbers that really made my eyes google out were the casualty numbers for Russia and China.
And yet, IIRC, Stalin killed more Soviet citizens during his reign than did Hitler during WWII. [X(]
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ORIGINAL: Anthropoid
The numbers that really made my eyes google out were the casualty numbers for Russia and China.
And yet, IIRC, Stalin killed more Soviet citizens during his reign than did Hitler during WWII. [X(]
ORIGINAL: TerminusORIGINAL: witpqsORIGINAL: Anthropoid
The numbers that really made my eyes google out were the casualty numbers for Russia and China.
And yet, IIRC, Stalin killed more Soviet citizens during his reign than did Hitler during WWII. [X(]
Stalin's total "body count" (sorry for the crassness) will never be known, but is probably somewhere between 50 and 60 million. Hitler was a member of the Vienna Boy's Choir in comparison...
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
ORIGINAL: TerminusORIGINAL: witpqs
And yet, IIRC, Stalin killed more Soviet citizens during his reign than did Hitler during WWII. [X(]
Stalin's total "body count" (sorry for the crassness) will never be known, but is probably somewhere between 50 and 60 million. Hitler was a member of the Vienna Boy's Choir in comparison...
The total world population in 1945 was 2.2 billion. There is no way that Stalin was responsible for the deaths of nearly three percent of the entire world's population (that's if he was responsible for the deaths of 60 million people). [This isn't mean to minimize what Stalin did.]
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
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And yet, IIRC, Stalin killed more Soviet citizens during his reign than did Hitler during WWII. [X(]
Stalin's total "body count" (sorry for the crassness) will never be known, but is probably somewhere between 50 and 60 million. Hitler was a member of the Vienna Boy's Choir in comparison...
The total world population in 1945 was 2.2 billion. There is no way that Stalin was responsible for the deaths of nearly three percent of the entire world's population (that's if he was responsible for the deaths of 60 million people). [This isn't mean to minimize what Stalin did.]
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Remember that he took power in 1922. He had 19 years to do his thing, and forced collectivization and purges are estimated to have cost 30 million lives BEFORE Barbarossa. The rest is, I'll admit, a question of assigning guilt, but I'll claim that he was responsible for far more Russian deaths than Hitler. 25 million Soviet citizens died between 6/22/41 and VJ-Day.
And why shouldn't one man be responsible for that many atrocities? Especially when he lived by the axiom that "one death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic"?
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Stalin's total "body count" (sorry for the crassness) will never be known, but is probably somewhere between 50 and 60 million. Hitler was a member of the Vienna Boy's Choir in comparison...
The total world population in 1945 was 2.2 billion. There is no way that Stalin was responsible for the deaths of nearly three percent of the entire world's population (that's if he was responsible for the deaths of 60 million people). [This isn't mean to minimize what Stalin did.]
Wiki says The Great Purge resulted in between 600K and ~2million deaths.
Holodomor, the word for the Soviet 1932-33 Famine in Ukraine (which arguably was semi-orchestrated by Stalinists as a way to suppress Ukrainian nationalism) is said to have cost between 2.6 and 10 million lives.
Official Soviet figures for Gulag deaths are in the 1m ballpark.
Just those three aspects of Stalins regime gets us up to a min number of about 6 million and a possible high of 13 or 14 m over a span of 10 or 20 years.. But yeah, 50 or 60 million seems high.
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You're trusting Wiki and official Soviet figures? Ooookaaayyy...
Nature surveyed more than 1,000 of its own authors about their use of encyclopedias. More than 70 percent of respondents said they consult Wikipedia on scientific topics, and more than 80 percent found Wikipedia’s coverage of a topic, relevance of information, accuracy and timeliness to be "Satisfactory" or "Excellent." Nature also encouraged its readers to help improve Wikipedia entries on topics where they have expertise.
