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[X(] That is a lot of ships.

Pearl looked pretty good, not much damage to the cruisers, but for the rest very good.
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I guess most of them are running to their rally points? How many bases do you use as such Mike?
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Nice to see you underway .........I like your PH results better than mine!
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27 torpedo hits on his BBs. Not bad at all!! And it looks like a few will be in need of shipyard time for close to 1000 days.

Instead of having the pushers in the Tokyo subways to get the people in the cars, you used them to push the ships out of the harbors. [:D]
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I like Chickenboy's idea of a Para Drop turn 1 on Northern Luzon. Why didn't I think of that?

I would quit while you're ahead on Pearl Harbor. Round 2 is alot more costly in planes, and doesn't do much in terms of damage. It would be nice to sink one or two more, but I think you can consider all 8 BBs off the board for 1942 at least, and probably into '43.
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[X(] That is a lot of ships.

Pearl looked pretty good, not much damage to the cruisers, but for the rest very good.

I'm hoping the Phoenix went down but didn't see that in the sunk ships report. That report did show the PoW as being sunk. With one torp hit, I rather doubt it.

My goal was to sink DDs. I did get 3, which is 2 more than I expected. The SS was a bonus (which really makes no difference) and the BBs turned out well with 2 sunk, another that may sink and the rest out for a good while (as ny59 giants and Q-Ball both mentioned).
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I guess most of them are running to their rally points? How many bases do you use as such Mike?

Here's my theoretical plan for resource movement to Honshu:



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Hi Mike,

You may find your transport allotment to Port Arthur on the small side, In my game it's December 30th and Port Arthur has 500,000+ resources, they accumulate there quite quickly, especially if you siphon off all the 10k+ resource ports around it and use it as a hub. Also fuel is there in abundance, careful not to take too much oil, I did and industry is short right now. Glad you are underway!
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Q-Ball, I'm not sticking around PH for another attack.  I'm very cautious with my IJN pilots.  KB is off to Wake, a 3 day trip.  After that, Kwajalein.  I think that it's better not to kill a bunch of the US pre-war BBs.  Let them tie up repair yards for a year or so. [:D]
 
I didn't have much time last night to check things out, but I did notice that Tokyo had 999,999 resources and 997,999 oil.  I had put all the spare AKs in Tokyo in a TF to load resources so that wouldn't happen (I did the same at Osaka).  It obviously didn't work, so I am sending all the extra AKs from the area to Tokyo to load up on resources in the next day or two.  There's a defecit of 82.6k resources a day at Tokyo so I hope the amount on hand drops between that and the loading AKs. [8|]
 
Here's an overview of what happened in various places on the map:
 
Hong Kong
 
Bettys flying out of Formosa sank the Thracian for no loss.  Those 3 (now 2) DDs there can be a pain in the butt.  Hopefully, they'll be neutralized tomorrow.
 
Some light bombers hit the airfield destroying a Walrus on the ground.  Not worth the effort.  They'll switch to ground bombing tomorrow.
 
Malaya
 
This theater started off pretty well.  18 Zeros had a sweep mission and found 18 Buffalos patrolling over Singapore.  All 18 Zeros went home after shooting down 7 Buffalos.  Banzai!
 
Ted kept the PoW and Repulse sitting in Singapore harbor.  A couple of raids cost us 4 Bettys for 1 torpedo hit on the PoW.  I expect Force Z to flee tomorrow.  Just in case, I'm forming a double row of subs south of Kota Bahru (or Kuantan, which ever is farther south) to try and intercept Force Z should they try something stupid.  The 22 Air Flotilla (in Indochina) will remain on naval attack (just shy of Singapore this time) to get them should they move NE.
 
There were various attacks by both of us that cost the following (in addition to the Singapore sweep):
 
4x Blenheim Is shot down
1x Blenheim I destroyed on ground
 
1x Japanese xAK torpedoed (30 flot damage) at Patani dropping off an infantry battalion.  She should make it assuming she doesn't get hit again.
 
We did damage to various Allied airfields.  Some of the bombers will bomb Kota Bahru ground forces tomorrow and the rest will continue to bomb airfields.
 
We landed on Kota Bahru.
 
Philippines
 
All Japanese missions were anti-airfield missions with the following losses:
 
2x P-26 shot down
1x B-17D destroyed on ground
4x O-47A destroyed on ground (what's an O-47A anyway??) [&:]
3x P-35A destroyed on ground
6x P-40B destroyed on ground
 
Clark field was trashed.  No Japanese losses. [:)]
 
I wanted to do a faber and do an air assault on northern Luzon but forgot. [8|]
 
The invasion forces (Aparri, Vigan, Lingayan and that base midway up the southern peninsula) are enroute.
 
SE Fleet
 
Invasion forces are enroute to the Admiralty Islands and Kavieng.
 
4th Fleet
 
The Wake invasion force from Kwajalein (SNLF and NG) are puttering north.  They will hit in ~3 days, along with KB and the 4 Furutakas for bombardment support.
 
A NG is headed for Makin.
 
Other stuff
 
Guam was invaded with the SNLF that was destined for Batan Island.
 
Batan Island was invaded with the support unit that was destined for there.  I'll base some fighters there after I take it.
 
An Infantry Brigade attacked Pengpu, ousting a Chinese Corps.  We took 50 casualties to 995 Chinese casualties.
 
Concerning paratroops, the 1st Raiding Unit is moving by air to Shanghai from Japan.  It will leapfrog west to Indochina to spearhead the invasion of Pt. Blair.  One of the SNLFs is being air transported west to Indochina (from Formosa) to support the Pt. Blair assault (or possibly Malaya).  The other SNLF is remaining in Formosa.  I may consider an air assault in the Philippines.  I'll make that decision after I look things over tonight.
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Malaya
This theater started off pretty well.  18 Zeros had a sweep mission and found 18 Buffalos patrolling over Singapore.  All 18 Zeros went home after shooting down 7 Buffalos.  Banzai!

I'm actually quite happy reading this. In my game buffaloes are falling from the sky at an alarming rate as well, glad to see it wasn't due to my incompetence, but rather the incompetence of the airplane designers.
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Hi Mike,

You may find your transport allotment to Port Arthur on the small side, In my game it's December 30th and Port Arthur has 500,000+ resources, they accumulate there quite quickly, especially if you siphon off all the 10k+ resource ports around it and use it as a hub. Also fuel is there in abundance, careful not to take too much oil, I did and industry is short right now. Glad you are underway!

Thanks. I'll keep an eye on that. For the C/M/K, I just sent some xAKs to each of the big ports. That's the least "scientific" of all the convoys.
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Malaya
This theater started off pretty well.  18 Zeros had a sweep mission and found 18 Buffalos patrolling over Singapore.  All 18 Zeros went home after shooting down 7 Buffalos.  Banzai!

I'm actually quite happy reading this. In my game buffaloes are falling from the sky at an alarming rate as well, glad to see it wasn't due to my incompetence, but rather the incompetence of the airplane designers.

[:D] My fighters were sweeping at 15k feet. The Buffalos appeared at anywhere between 10k and 18k feet.
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I need to make notes about what I want to say.  I keep forgetting stuff.....
 
KB went in with all TBs set to port attack, all DBs set to airfield attack and 3 F to escort, 2 to sweep and 1 to airfield attack.  I'm very pleased with the result.  TBs are the ship killers.  Four of the 6 TB daitai went in with torpedoes.  The 800 kg bombs can make a satisfying boom and can do massive damage to ship as well as the torpedoes.  I chose to have all the DBs hit the airfield because their bombs will often bounce off a BB hide.  Why waste all those lovely bombs? [:D] The only down side of all those daitai using torpedoes is that some of my carriers are already low on torpedoes in their holds.  For example, the Akagi has only 15 torpedoes remaining.  I'm keeping the TBs set to use torpedoes just in case Ted sends his CVs on the charge of the light brigade. [;)]  They'll replenish their torpedoes at Truk.
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Another strike on PH may be worth it ( just move sw but still in range for morning strike) , you hit very few planes.. I think you got 6 Catalinas historically they got 70 thats a lot of eyes gone. Just dont use many of the Kates they are the most valuable. And probably the best chance to kill some more allied Pilots with zero sweeps they are only going to come back later with better planes.

Removed about Yamato being brought forward in patch

Lastly this is not WITP you will need massive Naval and ShipYards , the Japanese historically ( despite allied bombing) built more tons in 44 than the rest fo the war together in AE you need to upgrade your yards to match history. Build the yards use for quick repairs and convert to merchant later.
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Build the yards use for quick repairs and convert to merchant later.

You can convert from naval shipyards to merchant and vice versa. However, repair shipyards are different.
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Build the yards use for quick repairs and convert to merchant later.

You can convert from naval shipyards to merchant and vice versa. However, repair shipyards are different.
Mike knows that converting is a waste of supplies, cause you have to rebuild them again (they revert to damaged) - which is a small gripe of mine, but there you go, why would you waste supplies rebuilding after conversion rather than just expanding ?
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Fair point ...that just means you need to build Naval yards in 41-42 AND Merchs in 42-44.
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I haven't decided on the expansion of naval and/or merchant shipyards yet.  I sent the turn back to Ted last night so I'll probably have a day or so to play with things.  I shut off the Yamato, Musashi and Shinano just to see what I have to play with for naval points.  That's also to start with a pool.  It appears that I'll start with a surplus of merchant points.  I'll figure that out next turn also.
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Ted's comment on the PH attack:
 
"Battleship Row got beaten like a rented mule this time."
 
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Good luck! Your preparation has been impressive and now all of it gets put to use. The attack at Pearl looks like a good start. I'll be following this one closely.

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