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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 12, 42
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ASW attack near Amami Oshima at 98,62

Japanese Ships
PB Seki Maru #3
PB Toko Maru #4

Allied Ships
SS Sailfish



SS Sailfish is sighted by escort
PB Seki Maru #3 fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Toko Maru #4 attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

while we really respect IJN DDs (accounted for two subs sunk so far) and IJN mines of course, we don´t really respect IJN PBs. They do drive our subs off lots of times of course or act as targets that usually aren´t sunk, so IMO they are quite effective in their task, they are not at all effective in sinking (not even damaging) our subs...

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Sub attack near Hengchun at 85,68

Japanese Ships
DD Matsukaze
BB Fuso
DD Asakaze
DD Yukaze
DD Sawakaze

Allied Ships
SS Pike, hits 1



SS Pike launches 2 torpedoes at DD Matsukaze
Pike diving deep ....
DD Yukaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Sawakaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Sawakaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Sawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

and yet another hit but no bang...

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Submarine attack near Truk at 110,103

Japanese Ships
xAKL Yamamizu Maru, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Silversides



xAKL Yamamizu Maru is sighted by SS Silversides
SS Silversides launches 4 torpedoes

hit but no bang...

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Morning Air attack on Lusu War Area , at 92,49

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5M1 Mabel x 5



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B5M1 Mabel bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 11
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 25



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 11 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
17 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet *


Also attacking Manila Bay Defenses ...
Also attacking Bataan ...

the usual daily air attacks...

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Morning Air attack on Zuid KNIL Battalion, at 48,91 (Palembang)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 68
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 33



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 13 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 17 damaged


Allied ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Palembang Base Force ...
Also attacking Teloekbetoeng Base Force ...
Also attacking Palembang Base Force ...
Also attacking Zuid KNIL Battalion ...

and a big strike against Palembang, coming from Malaya... looks like the IJA has by far not the same coordination problems we have if we try to launch three dozen heavy bombers against Port Moresby or even worse when on nav attack... Perhaps Rainer has more air HQs in range of his bombers which we more or less lack completely... there are just none available yet...

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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 26

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Teloekbetoeng Base Force, at 48,91 (Palembang)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 15



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Sub attack near Truk at 110,103

Japanese Ships
xAKL Yamamizu Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Silversides



SS Silversides launches 6 torpedoes

and the next six torps at the crappy xAKL... and the next duds...

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Amphibious Assault at Sandakan

TF 162 troops unloading over beach at Sandakan, 70,88

I´m amazed how many useless bases are mopped up by Rainer already as I wouldn´t really care about them until I would have more time to do so...

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Ground combat at Lashio (62,46)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1112 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 43

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 11

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Lashio !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)



Assaulting units:
III./143rd Infantry Battalion

no more supplies to China via the Burma road...

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Ground combat at Daly Waters (76,131)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1025 troops, 4 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 38

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 38

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 38 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Daly Waters !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:



Assaulting units:
2nd Recon Regiment

looks like Rainer is sending a mot unit to pursue my fleeing units from Darwin... we´re off the road to Tennant Creek already and while I´m pretty sure the Recon Rgt will be faster than we are, I don´t consider it much of a threat with it´s 38 assault value as we still have more than 100 within our units that are moving South. So as long we have all our units moving together, the Recon Rgt should not be a threat.

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Ground combat at Taberfane (82,117)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 342 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 16

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 9

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Taberfane !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)



Assaulting units:
1st Indpt SNLF Coy

another non important base...


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Ground combat at Palembang (48,91)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2028 troops, 15 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 89

Defending force 10010 troops, 102 guns, 89 vehicles, Assault Value = 306


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
Zuid KNIL Battalion
So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion
Djambi Base Force
Teloekbetoeng Base Force
Palembang Base Force

Defending units:
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
12th JAAF Base Force


Rainer has brought reinforcements and fields 300+ av but he´s not attacking yet... why?

and here´s the most important news of this turn. KB showed up. I´m not surprised at all to see it in this position today because with redoing a turn the Japanese had one more day to react and obviously did this with hindsight. I had some hindsight too in thinking it would be better to bail out with my carriers as I was sure that if KB would be at Truk it would have been set to move South at the day we had to redo. And with KB´s position today, it seems I was right. My carriers are far enough away not to be in real danger and full speed moves over more than one or max two days isn´t really possible in AE anyway. And KB would need at least two more days at full speed to catch my carriers. We´ve spotted KB and I told Rainer that we did so I wonder where KB will move to. He only told me: "perhaps KB will find some other targets". Nothing but a couple of small xAKLs around that were heading to their targets alone to bring some supplies. At the moment I can´t see one of my major convoys being in danger of ending up with KB anytime soon. And if you think about KB´s normal speed of 4+4 hexes each turn then it will take some time to get KB into position to catch my convoys that are moving at 3+3 each turn.

One more thing I wonder is how much fuel does the IJN have at Truk and how long can KB sustain operations South of Truk. Probably enough fuel and enough time to cause trouble. But so far the trouble only means to reroute some convoys.



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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 13, 42
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Sub attack near Samah at 71,69

Japanese Ships
xAK Shirashika Maru

Allied Ships
SS Sculpin



SS Sculpin launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Shirashika Maru
Sculpin diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection

more dud torps... how many unsuccesful attacks in a row have we seen now? [:(]

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Pre-Invasion action off Bandjermasin

Japanese Ships
CL Kashii
TB Kari
PB Kantori Maru



CL Kashii firing at SE Borneo KNIL Battalion
TB Kari firing at enemy troops
PB Kantori Maru firing at enemy troops

the last base on Borneo that has some Dutch troops and patrol aircraft... have got halve a dozen subs in this area but the TF moved in without being attacked...

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Amphibious Assault at Bandjermasin

TF 99 troops unloading over beach at Bandjermasin, 60,99



10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of Yokosuka 4th SNLF /3


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Pre-Invasion action off Singkep

Japanese Ships
PB Chosa Maru



PB Chosa Maru firing at enemy troops


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Amphibious Assault at Singkep

TF 217 troops unloading over beach at Singkep, 49,87



10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of III/81st Nav Gd
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of III/81st Nav Gd

another empty base...
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Invasion Support action off Bandjermasin

Japanese Ships
PB Kantori Maru



PB Kantori Maru firing at enemy troops


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Invasion Support action off Singkep

Japanese Ships
PB Chosa Maru



PB Chosa Maru firing at enemy troops


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ASW attack near Bandjermasin at 60,99

Japanese Ships
xAKL Nissen Maru #2
PB Kantori Maru

Allied Ships
SS Shark



SS Shark is sighted by escort
Shark bottoming out ....
PB Kantori Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

then SS Shark shows up at the invasion site but is driven off by the single escort... at the end of the day we saw two more of our subs sitting in this hex now due to reacting on the enemy convoy... no further attacks though...

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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3



Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 12
B-17E Fortress x 18


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged



Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb


CAP engaged:
3rd Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 8000
Raid is overhead

we´ve met 3 Zeroes over Milne bay recently and lost a B-17 A2A and one to ops. We meet again three Zeroes over PM today and again lose one bomber A2A and one to ops. So in the last two encounters, 6 Zeroes took down 4 heavy bombers. Not encouraging at all and for sure not something to rate the 4Es as being really hard to be shot down by Zeroes. Don´t know if this is leaking Cap from Buna or if it´s LRCAP. As it stands now it clearly shows me that I can´t fly any attacks with my 4Es as soon as there´s enemy opposition, not even if it´s as small as 3 Zeroes. We can´t afford to lose 4 bombers in two small attacks against a twice really small Cap when we only get 15 bombers each month. The only way to use the 4Es would be to have escorts but there won´t be a single fighters until 1945 that could escort my bombers from Townsville to Port Moresby. Everything that is more than 5 hexes away from an Allied base is out of escort range until late 42 when it will change to 6 hexes. Both ranges means there´s not much in range and both ranges are even shorter than they were in WITP. At the moment I´m a bit puzzled what to do...

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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 6


No Allied losses



Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

and not surprising, the strike didn´t go in combined which will lead to even more problem...

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Afternoon Air attack on Lusu War Area , at 92,49

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5M1 Mabel x 5



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B5M1 Mabel bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Palembang Base Force, at 48,91 (Palembang)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 20
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 12



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb


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Afternoon Air attack on Zuid KNIL Battalion, at 48,91 (Palembang)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 11
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 11



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Invasion Support action off Bandjermasin

Japanese Ships
PB Kantori Maru



PB Kantori Maru firing at enemy troops


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Invasion Support action off Singkep

Japanese Ships
PB Chosa Maru



PB Chosa Maru firing at enemy troops


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Ground combat at 92,49

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 541 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Defending force 215 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 28

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 28 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)


Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
9th RGC Route Brigade

Defending units:
Lusu War Area

Somewhere North of Shanghai...

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Ground combat at Sandakan (70,88)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 491 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 12

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Sandakan !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)



Assaulting units:
I/81st Naval Guard Unit


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Ground combat at Dili (71,115)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 504 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 22

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 11

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Dili !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)



Assaulting units:
1st Sasebo SNLF Coy

last base on Timor is Japanese now...
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Ground combat at 64,129

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4564 troops, 51 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 163

Defending force 29 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 77

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 77 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker: leaders(-)


Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
5th Amphibious Brigade

Defending units:
Timor Base Force

the amphib bgd was again faster than our base force... better say, what was left of our base force...

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Ground combat at Palembang (48,91)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2016 troops, 15 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 87

Defending force 10011 troops, 102 guns, 89 vehicles, Assault Value = 306



Assaulting units:
Zuid KNIL Battalion
So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion
Djambi Base Force
Teloekbetoeng Base Force
Palembang Base Force

Defending units:
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
12th JAAF Base Force


no Japanese attack since they´ve brought in the bgd as reinforcement...
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more dud torps... how many unsuccesful attacks in a row have we seen now?

You are not going to see the fleet boats do well in torpedo attacks until after 1/43. An aggressive commander might surface and attack an unescorted ship(s). Wait until a couple torps bounce off the Akagi. Now that is frustration.
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ORIGINAL: khyberbill
more dud torps... how many unsuccesful attacks in a row have we seen now?

You are not going to see the fleet boats do well in torpedo attacks until after 1/43. An aggressive commander might surface and attack an unescorted ship(s). Wait until a couple torps bounce off the Akagi. Now that is frustration.


yeah, I know. I´ve started some statistics on 25 Jan and we´re nearly a month later... it doesn´t look good, at the moment I´m below a 20% rate of exploding SALVOS, so considering you get more than one torp hit on average out of a salvo of 4 or 6 torps I´ve got some really bad die rolls. [:(] As soon as we´ve reached 25 Feb I will post the first result.

Frustration? In regards to Akagi you will get some info about this within the next couple of turns... [:D]
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I did a small test for a few weeks and was seeing about a 15% explosion rate with US torps.
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ORIGINAL: khyberbill

I did a small test for a few weeks and was seeing about a 15% explosion rate with US torps.


that´s more or less what I´m seeing too in this so far limited statistic. 15% means pretty bad die rolls though as you can only count the salvos each time and like I´ve said, we´re talking about more than one hit on average out of salvos of 4 or 6 torps (which are most of the salvos). Even if you get 20% exploding salvos you would still have bad luck as this would mean the dud torp rate you suffer would be higher than 20%. The question of course is what is the game doing? Is it really looking at "salvo fired, x torps hit and then has a die roll for every torp that hit" or is it just "salvo fired, SALVO hit, die roll for salvo (with the dud rate of the torp that was fired in the salvo).

If it really looks at the torps then everything equal or lower than 20% (for MK14 torps) would be really bad due to the before mentioned fact that you fire salvos and you have more than 1 torp hit on average (even if it would be 1.33 or whatever). As you get more than a one time 20% chance per salvo.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 14, 42
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ASW attack near Shortlands at 110,131

Japanese Ships
xAK Nittai Maru
xAKL Heiwa Maru
PB Kohuku Maru
PB Keijo Maru

Allied Ships
SS Grayback



SS Grayback is sighted by escort
Grayback bottoming out ....
PB Kohuku Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Keijo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Keijo Maru attacking submerged sub ....
PB Keijo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

some convoys around in the Solomons but our subs got no teeth... as soon as Java is lost I will relocate all my short ranged subs into the area all around Rabaul and my fleet subs will take over everything else, means everything North of Truk...

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Amphibious Assault at Madang

TF 292 troops unloading over beach at Madang, 97,123

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 5th Indpt SNLF Coy
17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 5th Indpt SNLF Coy


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Sub attack near Pagan at 109,87

Japanese Ships
xAKL Nichirei Maru, Shell hits 10, on fire

Allied Ships
SS Gudgeon, hits 5



SS Gudgeon attacking on the surface
Grenfell, E.W. decides to submerge SS Gudgeon due to damage

great one once again... [8|] the worst thing that can happen is when a sub decides to attack a lonely freighter on the surface with it´s pop gun only... not one torp fired and 10 3 inch shells don´t do any real damage while the 8cm and 12cm hits on the sub in return are enough to send it back into the shipyard. Don´t know how many hits the sub really suffered, it ended up with 18 sys damage. So hopefully 4 hits were FOW as I guess even one hit of a 8 or 12cm gun should cause serious damage to a sub...

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ASW attack near Sampit at 56,98

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya
CA Ashigara
CA Maya
CL Yura
DD Amatsukaze
DD Maikaze
DD Natsugumo
DD Oshio
DD Hagikaze

Allied Ships
SS O19, hits 1



SS O19 is sighted by escort
O19 bottoming out ....
DD Natsugumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oshio fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Hagikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Natsugumo attacking submerged sub ....
DD Hagikaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Natsugumo attacking submerged sub ....
DD Natsugumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Natsugumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

a near miss and intel that a major IJN task forces is cruising around the South Western edge of Borneo...

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Rockhampton at 103,150

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
7 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet

this is a KB strike (the bombers failed to locate the target)... more about this later...

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Morning Air attack on Lusu War Area , at 92,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5M1 Mabel x 5



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B5M1 Mabel bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 34
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 21
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 25



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 7 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 7 damaged


Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 22

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
28 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Manila Bay Defenses ...
Also attacking Bataan ...

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Morning Air attack on Palembang Base Force, at 48,91 (Palembang)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 53
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 7



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 9 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 4 damaged


Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb


Also attacking So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion ...
Also attacking Teloekbetoeng Base Force ...
Also attacking Palembang Base Force ...
Also attacking Teloekbetoeng Base Force ...
Also attacking Palembang Base Force ...


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Morning Air attack on Loyang , at 87,43

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 15



No Japanese losses



Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Riouw KNIL Battalion, at 49,87 (Singkep)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 10
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 17



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Zuid KNIL Battalion, at 48,91 (Palembang)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 12



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 3 damaged


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 14



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged



Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

the skies are darkened with IJA bombers... an amazing one bomber was lost today...

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Morning Air attack on SE Borneo KNIL Battalion, at 60,99 (Bandjermasin)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 8
G4M1 Betty x 9



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Sub attack near Bandjermasin at 62,101

Japanese Ships
TB Kari
xAKL Nissen Maru #2
PB Kantori Maru

Allied Ships
SS Shark



SS Shark launches 2 torpedoes at TB Kari
PB Kantori Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

MK-14 torps have an insane hit rate as again an escort was hit... no bang though...

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ASW attack near Singkep at 49,87

Japanese Ships
E Yomogi

Allied Ships
SS KX, hits 5



SS KX is sighted by escort
KX bottoming out ....
E Yomogi attacking submerged sub ....
E Yomogi fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Yomogi fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Yomogi attacking submerged sub ....
E Yomogi attacking submerged sub ....
E Yomogi cannot reach attack position over SS KX
SS KX eludes E Yomogi by hugging bottom
Escort abandons search for sub

damn Yomogi dropped dozens of DCs and puts KX out of action, returning to Australia... long way to go...


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Sub attack near Buka at 110,128

Japanese Ships
xAK Nittai Maru
xAKL Kaijo Maru #2
xAKL Heiwa Maru
PB Kohuku Maru
PB Keijo Maru

Allied Ships
SS Grayback



SS Grayback launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Nittai Maru
Grayback bottoming out ....
PB Kohuku Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Keijo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

6 torps, this time they´ve missed...

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Ground combat at Bandjermasin (60,99)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1528 troops, 19 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 63

Defending force 770 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Japanese adjusted assault: 57

Allied adjusted defense: 22

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)


Allied ground losses:
141 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 4th SNLF

Defending units:
SE Borneo KNIL Battalion
Bandjermasin Base Force


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Ground combat at Singkep (49,87)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 489 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 22

Defending force 509 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 20

Japanese adjusted assault: 9

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Singkep !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
1112 casualties reported
Squads: 45 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 50 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1


Assaulting units:
III/81st Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
Riouw KNIL Battalion


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Ground combat at Palembang (48,91)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2006 troops, 15 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 87

Defending force 10063 troops, 102 guns, 89 vehicles, Assault Value = 308



Assaulting units:
Zuid KNIL Battalion
So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion
Teloekbetoeng Base Force
Djambi Base Force
Palembang Base Force

Defending units:
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
12th JAAF Base Force


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As mentioned, KB is in the house and is cruising around North West of New Caledonia at the moment. There was one nav strike today that saw no bombers locating the target. This was due to the fact that again every target, that has been within KBs bombers on nav search, was sunk before the strike phase. Just like around Northern Australia when KB sunk over a dozen of my freighters with nav search only, today there were TWO small AKs in range of KB and BOTH were sunk by bombers on nav search. Now I of course don´t know if this is mass employ of bombers on nav search (wouldn´t make much sense when you try to hunt three US carriers with KB) or if those UBER bombers are so good to sink everything within range without even launching a real strike. Again, no test is done, but this observation once again strikes me. KB around Northern Australia has sunk more freighters with nav search attacks than it did with nav strikes, the same thing now. All my freighters in KB´s range would have been sunk by nav search only anyway, they were dead in the water when the real nav strikes went in. Nice new little "feature" it seems.

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Feb 14, 42

SS Shark reports having been sighted by the enemy at 60 , 99
SS Stingray leaving patrol zone to replenish at Townsville
SS Spearfish reports having been sighted by the enemy at 49 , 87
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Darwin is reported empty
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Buna
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Rabaul is reported empty
SS S-23 resumes patrol, enroute to 99 , 127 near Lae
No additional repairs possible on CL Helena
using currently assigned resources at Pearl Harbor
No additional repairs possible on AV Tangier
using currently assigned resources at Pearl Harbor
No additional repairs possible on xAP Hirondelle
using currently assigned resources at Pearl Harbor
No additional repairs possible on AS Janssens
using currently assigned resources at Townsville
Coastwatcher Report: xAP Hoten Maru reported in port at Darwin
Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Lae
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Kavieng
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Manus
Coastwatcher sighting: 4 Japanese ships at 101,119 near Manus , Speed unknown
Coastwatcher sighting: 3 Japanese ships at 97,123 near Madang , Speed 6 , Moving West
SS S-28 resumes patrol, enroute to 101 , 133 near Milne Bay
Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 108,126 near Feni Islands , Speed 7 , Moving Southwest
Task Force 135 arrives at Cape Town
Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 107,126 near Rabaul , Speed 8 , Moving West
TF 434 observes Japanese Level Bomber at 56,104 near Soerabaja
xAKL Lepus followed by Japanese Fighter at 109,155 near Belep Islands
xAKL Legazpi detects Japanese Carrier Aircraft at 103,150 near Rockhampton
xAKL Lepus is reported HIT
xAKL Lepus is reported HIT
xAKL Legazpi is reported HIT
xAKL Lepus is reported HIT

TF 435 detected by Japanese Float Plane at 49,98 near Batavia
SOC-1 Seagull sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 90,169 near Port Kembla, speed 16, Moving Northwest
PBY-5 Catalina reports radio transmissions at 180, 105 near Pearl Harbor
Japanese Recon sighted over Singkep
C5M2 Babs sighted over Bataan
Japanese Fighter sighted over Manila Bay Defenses
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Babar
Japanese Fighter sighted over Bataan
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Palembang
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Palembang
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Akyab
Japanese Torpedo Bomber sighted over Akyab
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Batavia
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Soerabaja
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Chengchow
Japanese Torpedo Bomber sighted over Singkep
Japanese Fighter Bomber sighted over Bataan
Japanese Recon sighted over Babar
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Palembang
Japanese Fighter sighted over 45th Indian Brigade
Japanese Recon sighted over 45th Indian Brigade
Ki-15-II Babs sighted over Batavia
Japanese Torpedo Bomber sighted over Chengchow
H81-A3 from AVG/3rd Sqn at Calcutta grounded due to maintenance
PBY-5 Catalina from VP-24 at Pearl Harbor grounded due to maintenance
F2A-3 Buffalo from VMF-221 at San Francisco grounded due to maintenance
Do-24K-1 from GVT-1 at Semarang grounded due to maintenance
PBY-5 Catalina from GVT-17 at Bandjermasin grounded due to maintenance
Lysander II from No.1 Sqn IAF is damaged on landing
Hudson III (LR) from No.2 Sqn RNZAF at Auckland grounded due to maintenance
Blenheim I from No.60 Sqn RAF at Diamond Harbour grounded due to maintenance
TF 189 designated as Escort and ordered to return to Brisbane
xAKL Buijskes sighted by Japanese Aircraft at 44,85 near Padang
xAKL Legazpi is reported HIT
xAKL Legazpi is reported HIT
xAKL Legazpi is reported HIT
xAKL Legazpi is reported HIT

PBY-5 Catalina sighting report: 5 Japanese ships at 194,104 near Lahaina, speed 17, Moving West
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Singkep
Japanese Torpedo Bomber sighted over Bataan
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Bara
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Changsha
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Palembang
Ki-15-II Babs sighted over Changsha
Japanese Recon sighted over 1st Chinese Cavalry Corps
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Akyab
Japanese Torpedo Bomber sighted over Akyab
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Batavia
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Soerabaja
Japanese Fighter sighted over 74th Chinese Corps
Japanese Aircraft sighted over 74th Chinese Corps
Japanese Fighter sighted over Chengchow
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Singkep
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Bataan
Ki-15-II Babs sighted over Bara
Japanese Fighter sighted over 1st Chinese Cavalry Corps
Japanese Fighter sighted over Palembang
Japanese Fighter Bomber sighted over 73rd Chinese Corps
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Akyab
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Bhamo
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Batavia
Japanese Torpedo Bomber sighted over 26th Chinese Corps
Japanese Torpedo Bomber sighted over Chengchow
Buffalo I from No.232 (P) Sqn RAF at Colombo grounded due to maintenance
Hurricane IIb Trop from No.135 Sqn RAF is damaged on landing
B-17E Fortress from 34th BG/1st RS at Seattle grounded due to maintenance
Buffalo I from No.258 Sqn RAF at Calcutta grounded due to maintenance
Sea Hurricane Ib from No.880 Sqn FAA on CV Indomitable grounded due to maintenance
H81-A3 from AVG/1st Sqn at Calcutta grounded due to maintenance
PBY-5 Catalina from VP-42 at Midway Island grounded due to maintenance
F2A-3 Buffalo from VMF-111 at San Francisco grounded due to maintenance
Buffalo I from No.21 Sqn RAAF at Madras grounded due to maintenance
Blenheim I from No.60 Sqn RAF at Diamond Harbour grounded due to maintenance
P-40B Warhawk from 20th PG/77th PS is damaged on landing
B-17D Fortress from 22nd BG/2nd BS at Townsville grounded due to maintenance
B-17D Fortress from 22nd BG/2nd BS at Townsville grounded due to maintenance
No additional repairs possible on CL Helena
using currently assigned resources at Pearl Harbor
No additional repairs possible on AV Tangier
using currently assigned resources at Pearl Harbor
No additional repairs possible on xAP Hirondelle
using currently assigned resources at Pearl Harbor
Repairs completed on SS S-40 at Brisbane, ship returned to service
No additional repairs possible on AS Janssens
using currently assigned resources at Townsville
TF 43 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
TF 126 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
TF 132 does not have enough fuel to complete mission
Japanese forces CAPTURE Singkep !!!
Paramushiro-jima expands airfield to size 2
Pescadores expands port to size 6
Anshan expands airfield to size 2
Cox's Bazar expands fortifications to size 1
Lae expands airfield to size 2
Delayed planes for the aircraft pool:
2 (2) x F4F-3 Wildcat
Repairs completed on xAKL Montanes at Brisbane, ship returned to service
Lilly, L.G.W. reassigned
Wilborn C. reassigned
Lewis E. reassigned
Baker T. reassigned
Davasher, G.L. now available for reassignment
Easley, H.C. now available for reassignment
Loss of AV Langley on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
xAK Arcata arrives at Balboa
VP-71 arrives at Sydney
No.34 Sqn RAAF arrives at Sydney as arrival base is unavailable
2/198th Coast AA Battalion arrives at Bora Bora



even if the operations report doesn´t show it, my two xAKL that were in range of KB (the only ships except subs) have been probably spotted more than two dozen times during the replay. Both suffered 4 hits and were gone even before the strike phase. Would I have had 6 ships, all 6 would have been sunk (or put into a hopeless state) during the nav search phase, as seen around Northern Australia before. Guess this is also WAD so what shalls... while I´ve thought Rainer would have used massed nav search around Northern Australia it would just not make sense to have more than 10-20% of his bombers on nav search when he tries to pursue my carriers now, therefore I doubt that he really had an extreme nav search rate. I won´t ask him because I don´t want to have that kind of intel. So it seems nav search is more than effective, must be the same as with mines. You only get a small percentage of what you got in WITP, but achieve the same result in the end. So far I had no problem at all to spot the enemy with my limited number of patrol ac, nothing worse than in WITP, so I guess the patrols are more effective. Or am I just mega lucky?
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 15, 42
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Sub attack near Donggala at 67,98

Japanese Ships
xAK Seizan Maru
DD Shirayuki
DD Arashio
DD Sagiri

Allied Ships
SS KXIII



SS KXIII launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Seizan Maru
DD Sagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

the statistics of the last three weeks shows a couple of MK14 torps missing the target with around 90% hitting it. The rest of the torps has a missed rate of more or less 50%... fun...

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Submarine attack near Agrihan at 110,86

Japanese Ships
xAKL Nichirei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Gudgeon



xAKL Nichirei Maru is sighted by SS Gudgeon
SS Gudgeon launches 6 torpedoes

a burning little freighter is finished with a 6 torp salvo...

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Submarine attack near Truk at 112,109

Japanese Ships
AV Kamoi

Allied Ships
SS Plunger



AV Kamoi is sighted by SS Plunger
SS Plunger launches 2 torpedoes

hit, no bang...

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ASW attack near Balikpapan at 65,99

Japanese Ships
DD Arashio
DD Sagiri

Allied Ships
SS Trusty



SS Trusty is sighted by escort
Trusty diving deep ....
DD Sagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sagiri attacking submerged sub ....
DD Sagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Trusty isn´t a killer either...

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ASW attack near Balikpapan at 65,99

Japanese Ships
DD Arashio
DD Sagiri

Allied Ships
SS Trusty



SS Trusty is sighted by escort
Trusty diving deep ....
DD Sagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Submarine attack near Truk at 114,110

Japanese Ships
AV Kamoi, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Plunger



AV Kamoi is sighted by SS Plunger
SS Plunger launches 2 torpedoes

an unsuccesful attack during the night but Plunger shadowed the AV that was going SE from Truk (probably towards the Gilberts) and put one exploding torp into the AV. Nice one...

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Morning Air attack on Lusu War Area , at 92,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5M1 Mabel x 5



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B5M1 Mabel bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Palembang Base Force, at 48,91 (Palembang)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 54
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 19



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 10 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 7 damaged


Allied ground losses:
199 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
20 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion ...
Also attacking Zuid KNIL Battalion ...
Also attacking Palembang Base Force ...
Also attacking Teloekbetoeng Base Force ...

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Morning Air attack on Chengchow , at 88,44

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 15



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged



Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

some air attacks in China, can´t figure out yet where the enemy´s advance will take place... a good guess is the Loyang, Chengchow (sp?) area in the North... this is just a buffer for me, if we see no chance (and I don´t consider us having a chance against a determined IJA offensive) then we will move towards Sian which I intend to defend at all cost... while Sian itself is clear terrain, the terrain around it is well suited for the defense and my goal is to defend Sian outside of the base anyway... I wonder if AE has made a step forward in it being able to reduce forts outside of bases, in WITP this wasn´t posstible... we´ll see...

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Ground combat at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9504 troops, 90 guns, 87 vehicles, Assault Value = 308

Defending force 2753 troops, 36 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 77

Japanese adjusted assault: 150

Allied adjusted defense: 136

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Allied ground losses:
371 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Assaulting units:
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
12th JAAF Base Force

Defending units:
Zuid KNIL Battalion
So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion
Djambi Base Force
Teloekbetoeng Base Force
Palembang Base Force

attack at Palembang failed, but I guess we only had some luck with the die rolls...

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Ground combat at Madang (97,123)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 325 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 8

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Madang !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)



Assaulting units:
5th Indpt SNLF Coy


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Ground combat at Bandjermasin (60,99)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1528 troops, 19 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 63

Defending force 668 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Japanese adjusted assault: 52

Allied adjusted defense: 4

Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Bandjermasin !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
359 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 2


Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 4th SNLF

Defending units:
SE Borneo KNIL Battalion
Bandjermasin Base Force

not much left on Borneo... cake walk for the Japanese and we did no damage... and no oil/res was damaged... correcting myself, we´ve damaged a dozen points at the base East to Balikpapan...

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Ground combat at Palembang (48,91)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1691 troops, 15 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 57

Defending force 9995 troops, 102 guns, 89 vehicles, Assault Value = 301

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)



Assaulting units:
Zuid KNIL Battalion
So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion
Teloekbetoeng Base Force
Djambi Base Force
Palembang Base Force

Defending units:
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
12th JAAF Base Force


KB was today spotted moving South towards New Zealand, now being West of Noumea... the enemy won´t find anything in this area, all TFs are far enough away and have been rerouted even further away on their ways to the destination ports...

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 16, 42
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Amphibious Assault at Maumere

TF 71 troops unloading over beach at Maumere, 66,113



7.7mm T99 AAMG damaged beyond repair during unload of I./124th Infantry Bn
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of I./124th Infantry Bn

so far the enemy has lost more troops due to accidents than due to my troops defending the invasion sites... Maumere has no troops to defend it though... [:D]

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Amphibious Assault at Rennell Island

TF 72 troops unloading over beach at Rennell Island, 113,140

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of III/66th Nav Gd

Rainer keeps mopping up bases on a really fast pace...

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ASW attack near Tabar Island at 110,118

Japanese Ships
PB Fukui Maru
xAK Shinwa Maru
xAK Nittai Maru
xAKL Kaijo Maru #2
xAKL Heiwa Maru
PB Kohuku Maru
PB Keijo Maru

Allied Ships
SS Grayback



SS Grayback launches 6 torpedoes at PB Fukui Maru
PB Kohuku Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Keijo Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Kohuku Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

looks like we´ve met a big convoy but didn´t get a shot at it...

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and the "highlight" of the day...

Sub attack near Noumea at 107,160

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
CA Chikuma
DD Hamakaze
DD Ariake
DD Yugure
DD Shiratsuyu

Allied Ships
SS S-40, hits 1



SS S-40 launches 4 torpedoes at CV Akagi
DD Ariake fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Yugure fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Shiratsuyu fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiratsuyu fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiratsuyu fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiratsuyu fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiratsuyu attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

MISS MISS MISS MISS

still got my carrier sitting in LA with an estimate of repair duration of 166 days after being hit by a damn IJN sub... damn it, damn it, damn it...


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ASW attack near Noumea at 107,160

Japanese Ships
DD Kagero
BB Kirishima
CA Chikuma
DD Ariake
DD Yugure
DD Shiratsuyu

Allied Ships
SS Thresher



SS Thresher launches 4 torpedoes at DD Kagero
Thresher diving deep ....
DD Ariake fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Yugure fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Shiratsuyu fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiratsuyu fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiratsuyu fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiratsuyu fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiratsuyu attacking submerged sub ....
DD Shiratsuyu fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiratsuyu attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

I´ve expected Rainer to send KB to either Brisbane or Sidney (or to both bases) to bomb the port and airfields, so I´ve sent out the 10 operational subs that were in Brisbane´s port. The last two days it looked like KB would move straight South into my expected shipping lanes to Australia and KB already has been sighted West of Noumea, so it looked like my subs would all miss the enemy due to KB being faster on it´s way South. But now KB swings North West again and is no the same height as Brisbane and ends up in the middle of my Wolfpack. The IJN carriers passed over several of my subs and ends up together with three of them in the same hex at the end of the day. As it looks now we could see KB moving in to attack Brisbane tomorrow or moving back to Truk. Perhaps my subs scared Rainer a little and perhaps we get another shot at a juicy target, to score a dud...

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ASW attack near Milne Bay at 101,133

Japanese Ships
DD Akikaze
DD Yakaze

Allied Ships
SS S-23, hits 5



SS S-23 launches 4 torpedoes at DD Akikaze
DD Yakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yakaze attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

another big TF at Milne Bay again, this one is probably the same that bailed out and escaped my carriers during the turn we redid... another big TF was spotted West of Milne Bay, being identified as CS CS CA CA... have my 4Es on nav attack but they didn´t launch, I´m not sure if this isn´t a small carrier TF that is acting as high value target for my airforce to guard this TF at Milne from air attacks... as long as my bombers don´t launch I won´t find out... if I had to guess, I would say this TF consists of some 500lb bomb prove CAs escorted by some DDs...

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Morning Air attack on Lusu War Area , at 92,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5M1 Mabel x 5



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B5M1 Mabel bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 18
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 25



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 13 damaged



Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Manila Bay Defenses ...
Also attacking Asiatic Fleet ...
Also attacking Bataan ...

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Morning Air attack on Palembang Base Force, at 48,91 (Palembang)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 43
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 19



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 12 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 7 damaged


Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb


Also attacking Zuid KNIL Battalion ...
Also attacking Teloekbetoeng Base Force ...
Also attacking Palembang Base Force ...

the enemy doesn´t suffer any real losses from those daily attacks... guess the enemy bombers have quite a high skill in ground bombing already, but I don´t care much about this anyway as the most important skill for bombers IMO is nav bomb to hurt enemy shipping. Even with low ground bombing skill you get hits on an airbase but without a high nav bomb skill you don´t get any hits on shipping...

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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 20



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 40

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 3rd Construction Regiment, at 87,44

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 13



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 7th Construction Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Construction Regiment ...


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Morning Air attack on Palembang Base Force, at 48,91 (Palembang)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 11



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 30000 feet *

Rainer knows how the game works... the Zero has a better man rating at 30.000ft than a P-40 (the best Allied fighter until late 42 [:(]) has at 5.000 ft, therefore he sends them in at nearly max alt. The Zeroes are killers if THEY get bounced and are invincible when they are on sweep and bounce our fighters. And when coming in at 30.000ft Rainer can be sure to bounce my fighters. Wonder if the intention of the developers was to create an Airwar in the stratosphere type of game... I won´t blame my opponent nor any other player to send his fighters in at the most effective alt but I really wonder how realistic the game is, or how good (I´m sure there will be again enough people pissed off by just this sentence...) This is even higher than the fighting in Europe took place and we all know that the clashes in Europe took place in considerable higher alts than in the Pacific, yet the game produces exactly the opposite. And this is surely not something the players are responsible for. You do the best you can and you use your material at the best way you can in the game. And we were also TOLD to do so (remember the "you have to know the altitude bands of your ac, otherwise you lose"). If this is possible in a complete ahistorical, better say unrealistic way then you still do it. You don´t have to know the altitude bands, you only have to know that every Japanese fighter has better man ratings than the Allied fighters, no matter at what alt, so the solution is to send in the Japanese fighters at more or less max range as this gives you the man advantage and the still allmighty BOUNCE. The game should keep you from doing it IMO, at least in such cases when it comes down to aircraft stats. I can´t remember the IJNAAF seeing 30.000ft sweeps as the most effective, but perhaps I´m remembering the wrong numbers when thinking about the sweeps against Guadalcanal for example. Again something I will only say here in this AAR, I would get shot for it saying it in the main forum... the harm is done, the harm is done... [8|]

When more or less all Japanese fighters (no matter if early or late war ones) have better man ratings at 30k ft than Allied ac have at 10k ft then I wonder how this will turn out, especially as the Japanese advanced types are only marginally slower than the Allied ones. The P-40 still being the most important fighter far into 43 then both isn´t true as the P-40 will be slower and less maneuverable than the IJA fighters. I know this is critizising the game again (or one of it´s routines) and people may ask why I still play it. Well, it´s the only game of this depth about this theatre. While I´m not even particularly interested in the Pacific war, there´s no other game of this depth of any theatre (at least none that I know of).


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Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
26 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 30000 feet *

those two 30.000ft sweeps would have shot down all my fighters if I would have put some into the air... no matter if the enemy operates at extended range or not...

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Ground combat at Pingsiang (82,54)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12372 troops, 102 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 901

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 425

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 425 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Pingsiang !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:



Assaulting units:
39th Division
116th Division


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Ground combat at Wenchow (89,58)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 310 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1004

Defending force 20497 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 656

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)



Assaulting units:
17th Division
22nd Division
2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment
4th Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
100th Chinese Corps
88th Chinese Corps
16th Construction Regiment
3rd War Area
25th Group Army
10th Group Army
14th Chinese Base Force


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Ground combat at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9424 troops, 90 guns, 87 vehicles, Assault Value = 303

Defending force 2403 troops, 36 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 55

Japanese adjusted assault: 209

Allied adjusted defense: 61

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Palembang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled


Allied ground losses:
989 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 69 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 20 (20 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 5


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
12th JAAF Base Force

Defending units:
Zuid KNIL Battalion
So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion
Teloekbetoeng Base Force
Djambi Base Force
Palembang Base Force


and to make this not nice turn even worse, Palembang is lost and there is NO damage to the oil or resource sites... not a single point damaged and I do raise the question again if this is WAD... Except Java, all places my opponent captured were completely UNDAMAGED... die rolls? Sure... Perhaps I´m not reading enough AARs but so far I´ve missed the outcry: "hell, halve of the oil at Palembang is damaged"... so far I´ve only seen: "excellent, no damage to any oil or resource sites"... [&:]

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Keep at it and most importantly keep your style.
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Many might get "offended" by the sarcastic remarks but many of them have valid concerns. That might be one of the reason why thimg get so "hot" at times! [:D]
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As for few of your comments. Well, Zero flying around 30 000 feet are very very tough customers. The bounce is real killer and can hurt your reduced aircraft pools in the longrun.
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The resource "damaged ratios" are no news either. I had similar experience around the DEI with very limited damage done to any resource centers. Actually Palempang was seized fully intact along with other bases in the region.
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The above ofcourse might be FOW so I cannot confirm this but that what the game showed me too.
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Other than your submarines will be an asset. I'am moving them around and they get hits in late 1942's.
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I'am not going to any detailed discussion since my PBEM partner most likely will read. Just letting you know that you are not the only one who has seen such things.
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Keep at it and best of luck!
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and to make this not nice turn even worse, Palembang is lost and there is NO damage to the oil or resource sites... not a single point damaged and I do raise the question again if this is WAD... Except Java, all places my opponent captured were completely UNDAMAGED... die rolls? Sure... Perhaps I´m not reading enough AARs but so far I´ve missed the outcry: "hell, halve of the oil at Palembang is damaged"... so far I´ve only seen: "excellent, no damage to any oil or resource sites"...

I have seen reduced damage to resource/oil sites in AE compared to WITP. It is what it is and doesnt really bother me. More targets for the subs in 43.
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When more or less all Japanese fighters (no matter if early or late war ones) have better man ratings at 30k ft than Allied ac have at 10k ft then I wonder how this will turn out, especially as the Japanese advanced types are only marginally slower than the Allied ones. The P-40 still being the most important fighter far into 43 then both isn´t true as the P-40 will be slower and less maneuverable than the IJA fighters. I know this is critizising the game again (or one of it´s routines) and people may ask why I still play it. Well, it´s the only game of this depth about this theatre. While I´m not even particularly interested in the Pacific war, there´s no other game of this depth of any theatre (at least none that I know of).

Despite what some of the developers have said about picking the right altitude for P39/40s they suck at all altitudes except against the Nates when fighting a smart opponent. Basically one has to wait for the Corsairs to arrive to even things out in the South Pacific and OZ. I have had fairly good success with the Hurricanes set at 30k in Burma but I have to pick my fights. There are two Canadian squadrons that I buy out and send to India/China that also have Hurricanes. I sweep with the Hurries and escort with P40Ks. Incidentally, once you get close enough to his air bases, your foe really cant stop night attacks. I usually come in at 10k (balloons are effective at lower alt and nasty) with B17/24/25/26 and Wellies. Only get from 1-4 planes per night, but over a month that starts to add up. Then a few days sweep with Corsairs, if in range, and the airfield is usually abandoned. P28s have disappointed me but I may have pressed them into service too soon. Will build up their experience in future games to over 60 before committing them to the meat grinder.

And I dont meant to add fuel to the fire, but if you combine sweeps with an air attack, expect your sweeps to go in last. And I dont care what side you are on and this happens even if the airfield with the sweep flights is closest to the action. They prefer to wait until the cap is exhausted on the bombers before joining the fray. I have found it more effective to sweep for a few days then send in the bombers. Escorts dont like to fly with bombers unless at the same altitude and from the same base. It also helps if they all went to primary school together. Finally, the more complicated your air or naval attack is, the more likely Murphy will strike and strike hard at the most vulnerable point.
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ORIGINAL: aztez

Keep at it and most importantly keep your style.

Many might get "offended" by the sarcastic remarks but many of them have valid concerns. That might be one of the reason why thimg get so "hot" at times! [:D]

As for few of your comments. Well, Zero flying around 30 000 feet are very very tough customers. The bounce is real killer and can hurt your reduced aircraft pools in the longrun.

The resource "damaged ratios" are no news either. I had similar experience around the DEI with very limited damage done to any resource centers. Actually Palempang was seized fully intact along with other bases in the region.

The above ofcourse might be FOW so I cannot confirm this but that what the game showed me too.

Other than your submarines will be an asset. I'am moving them around and they get hits in late 1942's.

I'am not going to any detailed discussion since my PBEM partner most likely will read. Just letting you know that you are not the only one who has seen such things.

Keep at it and best of luck!


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I guess I will keep my style - that´s just how I am [;)] - but I will limit myselve not to take it out in the main forum as I was more than just surprised about the flak I took there. Have to admit that I wasn´t aware that I´ve been the most annoying a$$hole over the last five years, so it was, kind of surprising. Funny thing is I didn´t even want to piss off someone. There are many things that could work better in the game, no difference to WITP. The difference I´ve noticed though will be that WITP was constantly improved over the patches, but according to jwilkerson and michaelm this won´t really happen with AE, as bug busting will more or less be the only thing to come with future patches. And that´s the downside, because while I like a lot of the new features, many of them need work and improvement. But hey, that´s my oppinion. I could count them up now, but I fear that this post could lead to another flak party then. If you follow my AAR, it´s unavoidable anyway to notice what I´m thinking about things. [:D]

I also appreciate all the work that was put into AE and am amazed what was brought up from people that weren´t even paid. Nevertheless there are some issues IMO and noone should get offended just because those issued are posted on the forum.
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ORIGINAL: khyberbill
and to make this not nice turn even worse, Palembang is lost and there is NO damage to the oil or resource sites... not a single point damaged and I do raise the question again if this is WAD... Except Java, all places my opponent captured were completely UNDAMAGED... die rolls? Sure... Perhaps I´m not reading enough AARs but so far I´ve missed the outcry: "hell, halve of the oil at Palembang is damaged"... so far I´ve only seen: "excellent, no damage to any oil or resource sites"...

I have seen reduced damage to resource/oil sites in AE compared to WITP. It is what it is and doesnt really bother me. More targets for the subs in 43.


you´re correct and a dozen of the big TK lost is worse for the Japanese than losing 200 refineries in Palembang but nevertheless it seems to me that the chance to actually do some damage should be bigger. IMO, it was just fine in WITP. The chances there were quite good for the attacker that he takes sites undamaged, there were those exceptional happenings when you saw a lot (or even complete) destruction, but they were very very rare IMO. As it is now, it seems like 95% of the times there is no damage at all and the 5% rest there´s damage on a dozen points. No, this is not an official test scenario statistic. [;)]

Not to forget is the fact that I´ve started this PBEM with my all time hr for PBEMs that doesn´t allow Allied strategic bombing against Japanese occupied Allied teritory. This means enemy oil, res, Hi... is pretty much save and the Japanese can plan right from the start with a 100% output of all the targets he will attack. I would again start with my hr, but there should still be the same die roll for damaging the sites when you have troops there. In WITP there was often damage done even when you had NO troops there (which I didn´t like [:)]).
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ORIGINAL: khyberbill
When more or less all Japanese fighters (no matter if early or late war ones) have better man ratings at 30k ft than Allied ac have at 10k ft then I wonder how this will turn out, especially as the Japanese advanced types are only marginally slower than the Allied ones. The P-40 still being the most important fighter far into 43 then both isn´t true as the P-40 will be slower and less maneuverable than the IJA fighters. I know this is critizising the game again (or one of it´s routines) and people may ask why I still play it. Well, it´s the only game of this depth about this theatre. While I´m not even particularly interested in the Pacific war, there´s no other game of this depth of any theatre (at least none that I know of).

Despite what some of the developers have said about picking the right altitude for P39/40s they suck at all altitudes except against the Nates when fighting a smart opponent. Basically one has to wait for the Corsairs to arrive to even things out in the South Pacific and OZ. I have had fairly good success with the Hurricanes set at 30k in Burma but I have to pick my fights. There are two Canadian squadrons that I buy out and send to India/China that also have Hurricanes. I sweep with the Hurries and escort with P40Ks. Incidentally, once you get close enough to his air bases, your foe really cant stop night attacks. I usually come in at 10k (balloons are effective at lower alt and nasty) with B17/24/25/26 and Wellies. Only get from 1-4 planes per night, but over a month that starts to add up. Then a few days sweep with Corsairs, if in range, and the airfield is usually abandoned. P28s have disappointed me but I may have pressed them into service too soon. Will build up their experience in future games to over 60 before committing them to the meat grinder.

And I dont meant to add fuel to the fire, but if you combine sweeps with an air attack, expect your sweeps to go in last. And I dont care what side you are on and this happens even if the airfield with the sweep flights is closest to the action. They prefer to wait until the cap is exhausted on the bombers before joining the fray. I have found it more effective to sweep for a few days then send in the bombers. Escorts dont like to fly with bombers unless at the same altitude and from the same base. It also helps if they all went to primary school together. Finally, the more complicated your air or naval attack is, the more likely Murphy will strike and strike hard at the most vulnerable point.


so true, all you´ve said is something I totally agree with. After finding out that I can´t do anything against the Zero high alt sweeps I bailed out everywhere. There´s just no sense to use your P-40 if you lose them at a 5:1 or higher loss rate, no matter what alt you set them. You go high, your smart opponent just goes higher. In every altitude band the Zero is so much superior to your P-40 that it does not make sense to put them up in front of the Zeroes 20mm cannons. You can harm them on escort but the stratosphere sweep bounce is the mega killer. I´ve complained about the bounce in WITP for halve a decade now, in AE it became even more frightening. I really would like to see a daitai of Zeroes bouncing from 30.000ft on some Warhawks on 10.000ft... if they really would do zoom and boom, I guess the fragile Zeroes would just break apart. Thus leading to what we see in PBEMs, fights in the vicinty of Sputnik. And this with aircraft that were supposed to fight at low and medium alts in real life. Again I have to question if this is ok. And again I have to say that of course PBEM players use their aircraft at the best possible alt and this is the HIGHEST alt possible when doing sweeps. Always stay above your enemy. Have Allied fighters and stay above your enemy and you will have a chance to perhaps do some damage too, have Japanese fighters and you whipe the floor with enemy CAP if your sweep comes in and bounces out of the stratosphere.

Another difference between WITP and AE is when the sweeps are going in. As you say you end up mostly with the sweep coming late, even if you had your sweeping and far faster fighters (compared to the bombers) closer to the target. In WITP I achieved a 100% rate of sweeps going in earlier than the bombers when the sweep was closer to the target. This under the condition that the sweep flew of course. Now all you can do is not to bomb at all the day you have a sweep but this of course will make it harder and we were always told to do everything the same day anyway to disrupt the enemy Cap. Now you can only fight it out day after day and hope you will kill more fighters than you lose. And finally send in some bombers that hopefully also get some escorts. IMO this has all become far too random and doesn´t reflect history or better say reality at all. It seems you have a far higher chance to see everything screwed up now, no matter under what conditions, even under the best conditions you have it screwed up more often than not.

With me doing the full Sir Robin with my airforce I was able to build up a nice stock of P-40 and also a couple of dozen Hurricanes at the moment. I´ve also done extensive training and have rotated pilots for hours and hours and hours. The result now is that I´ve got enough fighters for a couple of days of fights and all squadrons have decent air and def skill. But we will still be fighting at the disadvantage that the Zero and the Oscar are the better aircraft at all heights. And our fighters don´t have enough speed advantage to make up the disadvantage of being on Cap, being probably at lower alt and being less maneuverable. But hey, I can of course set them on max alt... 32.000ft? So the Zero will rule until we get P-40K which is quite fast and the man rating seems to be ok at mega high altitude. But by then, the IJAAF will field hundreds of Tojos that have replaced the Oscars and the Tojo once again beats all the Allied fighters until the Corsair. Why? Because the Tojo is slightly slower than the P-40 (far faster than the Hurricane so forget about all your British fighter squadrons) but far more maneuverable again and so the Japanese again win the round - at least when I look at the stats. So it comes down to pilot quality. And this is, like mentioned earlier, an equal fight between the Japanese and the Allied. The Allied don´t have the edge on pilot quality either as it only takes the Japanese four weeks more to train a pilot that has not passed flight school up to 65 skill than what it takes the Allied to train up a rookie that came out of flight school to 65 skill due to the training now being quite effective again.

In this PBEM, we´re 10 weeks into the war and I´ve got so many 60 skill pilots in the reserve pool that I could swap out my fighter squadrons two times at least, so I would run out of aircraft faster than I will run out of skilled pilots now. And this won´t change as I will keep training hundreds of pilots. What I´ve seen so far, Rainer is an excellent opponent and sure knows what to do, therefore I expect him to have a well working pilot training too and I also expect him to completely outproduce me with high end fighters.
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The limited damage to the dutch Oil fields is probably due to the low ammount of engineers they have
at the bases. They do the damage on retreat.
I wonder if it helps to stack the afew eng units at the most important ressource/oil bases to maximize the
chances of damage when they get attacked.
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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

The limited damage to the dutch Oil fields is probably due to the low ammount of engineers they have
at the bases. They do the damage on retreat.
I wonder if it helps to stack the afew eng units at the most important ressource/oil bases to maximize the
chances of damage when they get attacked.


I´ve moved all the available units into Palembang that I could move there overland. That´s the reason why Rainer had to reinforce his troops. Didn´t help in damaging anything though. I wouldn´t want to move in more troops from somewhere else though trying to get a better die roll of which I´m not really sure it would achieve something.
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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting castor troy

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I have not seen or read of any serious damage to the resource centers except when they have been evacuated by the Allies. A smart foe will spend most of 42 using his tankers and cargo vessels extracting as much from the DEI that is possible before US fleet boats become more effective. That should limit expansion plans-naturally that has not happened by most JFB's yet, although in one of my PBEMs, we are into 4/43 and my foe wishes he had done that instead of invading Darwin. I sink about 2 ships a day now and that is after the reaction range was reduced to 1.
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