Welle 16 to 35

[samba_liten]

Here we go again. Before i start with my next attempt at nailing down the TO&E, i should say that i'm using Bill Wilsons Second World War Database now.

Now, if you'll pardon the repetition, here is what I've got so far. Comments encouraged!

PS I've omitted the totals for regiments etc, as my lack of math skills mean it takes as long as the research itself to total the various units up! And even then i still get it wrong usually...[:-]

Divisional Headquarters
(KstN 21 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn211nov41.htm )
10 Light Rifle squads (13 men/squad)
2 LMG
27 Trucks

An infantry division at this time had three regiments, each with three battalions, and a Stab.
Total equipment for 1 regiment:

Stab:
(KstN 101(R) http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn101r1okt37.htm )
2 Light Rifle Squads
2 Horse Drawn Wagons
2 Trucks
1 Motorcycle Squad

Nachrichtenzug des Stabes eines Infanterieregiments:
(KStN 221 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn2215okt37.htm )
2 Light Rifle Squads
3 Horse Drawn Wagons

Rgts.Pio.Zug
(KstN 196 original not found. Reference Tessin vol.15 p. 151, for numbers of weapons; http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/011 ... welle.html )
4 Pioneer Squads
3 LMG

Infanteriegeschutzkompanie (infantry gun company):
(KStN 171 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn1711okt37.htm )
6 7.5 cm le.IG 18
2 15 cm s.IG 33
15 Horse Drawn Wagons

Infanteriepanzerabwehrkompanie:
(KStN 184 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn1841okt37.htm )
4 l.MG
12 3.7 cm PAK
39 Trucks

Radf. Zug (Bicycle Platoon):
(KStN 353, only one zug used. http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn3531sept39.htm )
3 Bicycle Squads
3 l.M.G

leichte infanteriekolonne:
(KStN 201 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn201t20okt39.htm )
2 Light Rifle Squads
37 Horse Drawn Wagons

Next, the 3 Battalions;

Stab:
(KStN: 111(R) http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn1111okt37.htm)
1 Bicycle Squad
3 Light Rifle Squads
3 Trucks
8 Horse Drawn Wagons

M.G.KP.:
(Tessin gives KStN 151 C, http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn151c1feb41.htm which is dated 1941. An alternative is KStN 151 (A), http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn151a1okt37.htm dated 1937. The difference being the absence of mortars in the latter. Below I have used 151 C. )
12 s.MG
4 Rifle Squads
6 8cm Mortars
24 Horse Drawn Wagons

Schutzen Kompanie x 3
(KStN 131 C http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn131c1feb41.htm )

1 company:
1 Light Rifle Squad
12 Rifle Squads (7 men +1 MG34 each)
12 LMG (Use your preference here. The database includes MG34 as a separate weapon)
3 Panzerbuechse
3 5 cm Granatwerfer

http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/011 ... welle.html gives 1 company as
9 Rifle Squads
2 LMG
3 5cm Mortars
take your pick!
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Zus ... derung.htm also lists 90 panzerbuechse for the division as a whole, which, logically means 30 per regiment, or according to the KstN, 27 per regiment.

panzerjaegerabteilung:

Stab including signals unit:
(KStN 1106 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn11061nov41.htm &1192 quoted at feldgrau forums )
4 Light Rifle Squads
40 Trucks
17 Jeeps

panzerjaegerkompanie x3:
(KStN 1141 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn11411nov41.htm )

1 company:
6 l.MG
12 3.7 cm PAK
22 Trucks
4 Jeeps

radf.schwadr:
(This included by Tessin, who excludes the whole aufklarungs abteilung instead. No other sources show this unit here.)
(KStN 353 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn3531sept39.htm )
10 Bicycle Squads
18 l.MG
3 5 cm Mortars
7 Trucks

Masch.Gew.Kp.(S)(mot Z.)
12 2 cm Flak (These are listen in one source [Div.Tr.Inf.Div. 1Welle] as Masch.Gew.Kp.(S)(mot Z.). It also appears on http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/1infdiv.html I have no KStN for it, nor does it appear in Tessins Gliederung for the 1st Welle. If you include it, I would also include 12 additional trucks.)


Artilerie Regiment:

Stab:
(No copy of KstN 401 could be found. Tessin, vol. 15, p. 152, lists 43 men, 28 horses, 4 horse drawn vehicles, 4 motor vehicles, 6 motorcycles and 1 bicycle. The below is based on this data, plus the corresponding unit in an infantry regiment. http://downloads.sturmpanzer.net/KStN_B ... H1_007.pdf lists KstN 401 dated 1945. I have ignored this, as I feel the differences would be too great.)
2 Light Rifle Squads
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
4 Trucks
1 Motorcycle Squad

Rgts.Nachr.zug:
(No copy of KstN 551 could be found. Tessin, vol. 15, p. 152, lists 51 men, 41 horses, 5 horse drawn vehicles The below is based on this data, plus the corresponding unit in an infantry regiment.)
2 Light Rifle Squads
5 Horse Drawn Wagons

Stb.lei.Artl.Abt x3:
(No copy of KstN 403 could be found. Tessin, vol. 15, p. 152, lists 41 men, 27 horses, 4 horse drawn vehicles, 3 motor vehicles, and 5 bicycles. http://downloads.sturmpanzer.net/KStN_B ... H1_007.pdf lists KSTn 403a (teilmot.) dated 1945. I have ignored it, as I feel the differences would be too great.

[samba_liten]

I found myself with spare time, so here is an update. Apologies for the repetition of some material from the previous post.

Artilerie Regiment:

Stab:
(No copy of KstN 401 could be found. Tessin, vol. 15, p. 152, lists 43 men, 28 horses, 4 horse drawn vehicles, 4 motor vehicles, 6 motorcycles and 1 bicycle. The below is based on this data, plus the corresponding unit in an infantry regiment. http://downloads.sturmpanzer.net/KStN_B ... H1_007.pdf lists KstN 401 dated 1945. I have ignored this, as I feel the differences would be too great.)
2 Light Rifle Squads
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
4 Trucks
1 Motorcycle Squad
Rgts.Nachr.zug:
(No copy of KstN 551 could be found. Tessin, vol. 15, p. 152, lists 51 men, 41 horses, 5 horse drawn vehicles The below is based on this data, plus the corresponding unit in an infantry regiment.)
2 Light Rifle Squads
5 Horse Drawn Wagons
Stb.lei.Artl.Abt x3:
(No copy of KstN 403 could be found. Tessin, vol. 15, p. 152, lists 41 men, 27 horses, 4 horse drawn vehicles, 3 motor vehicles, and 5 bicycles. http://downloads.sturmpanzer.net/KStN_B ... H1_007.pdf lists KSTn 403a (teilmot.) dated 1945. I have ignored it, as I feel the differences would be too great.
I suggest the following for the unit in TOAW III:
2 Light Rifle Squads
3 Trucks
4 Horse Drawn Wagons

http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/1infdiv.html
lists
leichte Artilleriekolonne (32t) (x3) as well.
(KstN 506 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn5061okt37.htm )
I suggest the following for each unit in TOAW:
37 Horse Drawn Wagons
10 Light Rifle Squads (drivers etc. used to defend the unit in an emergency)

Art.Nachr.Zug x3:
KStN 553 – Not found. Tessin, vol 15, p. 152, lists 45 men, 38 horses, and 4 horse drawn vehicles.
I suggest the following for the unit in TOAW III:
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
Art.Verm.Tr (Survey Detachment) x3:
KStN 528 – Not found. Tessin, vol 15, p. 152, lists 10 men, 10 horses, and 1 horse drawn vehicle.
I suggest the following for the unit in TOAW III:
1 Horse Drawn Wagon
lei.Battr. (Light Battery) x6 (Later increased to x9)
(KStN 433 – No early version found. 433 dated 1944 can be seen at http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn4331mar44.htm . The arrangement with two batteries per battalion was due to a lack of artillery. This is mentioned in Keitel's memoirs. (Available for free from the despicable Mr. Irving at http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Keitel/index.html )

Tessin lists:
1026 men, 882 horses, 90 horse drawn wagons, 6 motor vehicles, and 6 motorcycles.
Looking at the 1944 KstN we can see armament including:
92 carbines, 16 pistols, 8 machine pistols, and 5 light machine-guns for a battery of 4 guns.
For one battery in TOAW I recommend:
4 LeFh 18
5 MG 34
2 Light Rifle Squads (drivers of the horses pulling the guns, equipped with carbines. The rest of the men so armed belonged to the supply or forward observer part of the unit and would likely not have been involved in combat, barring the most desperate situations.)
15 Horse Drawn Wagons
1 Truck



Stb.schw.Artl.Abt
(KstN 405 – No early version found.)
Tessin lists 41 men, 27 horses, 4 horse drawn wagons, 3 motor vehicles, and 5 motorcycles.
KstN 407 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn40716jan43.htm dated January '43 is the closest I have found online. I have ignored it, as the differences are very great.

For TOAW I suggest:
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
3 Trucks
2 Light Rifle Squads

Artl.Nachr.Zug
(KstN 553 – Not found. Tessin lists 45 men, 38 horses, and 4 horse drawn vehicles.
I suggest the following for the unit in TOAW III:
4 Horse Drawn Wagons

Artl.Verm.Tr
KStN 528 – Not found. Tessin lists 10 men, 10 horses, and 1 horse drawn vehicle.
I suggest the following for the unit in TOAW III:
1 Horse Drawn Wagon

http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/1infdiv.html lists
le.Art.Kol. (18t) (x3)
but gives no KstN.
As an educated guess I suggest the following for TOAW:
23 Horse Drawn Wagons
7 Light Rifle Squads


Schw.Battr. (x2 according to Tessin, x3 according to everyone else)
KstN 456 – Not found. Tessin lists 346men, 272 horses, 38 horse drawn vehicles, 2 motorcycles and 14 bicycles for the two batteries combined.

I suggest the following for the unit (one battery) in TOAW:
4 s.FH18 (150mm)
2 Light Rifle Squads
19 Horse Drawn Wagons


Aufklarungsabteilung (not listed in Tessin, taken from http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/1infdiv.html)

Stab
(KstN unknown)
For TOAW I suggest, as a guess:
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
3 Trucks
2 Light Rifle Squads

Nachr.Zug
(KstN unknown, I have used the same as for an infantry regiment staff.)
(KStN 221 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn2215okt37.htm )
2 Light Rifle Squads
3 Horse Drawn Wagons

Reiterschwadron
(KstN unknown. I have used KstN 181 (Reiterzug) and assumed that a schwadron would have 3 zug. I have used the tross elements of a Radfahrschwadron.)
10 Cavalry Squads
18 l.MG
8 Horse Drawn Wagons
3 5cm mortars


radf.schwadr:
(This included by Tessin, who excludes the whole aufklarungs abteilung instead. No other sources show this unit here.)
(KStN 353 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn3531sept39.htm )
10 Bicycle Squads
18 l.MG
3 5 cm Mortars
7 Trucks

Schwere schwadron
(No KstN. See http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/1infdiv.html and http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/011 ... welle.html for my sources.
3 SdKfz 221
2 75mm Infantry Guns
3 37mm AT Guns


Pionier Battalion

Stb.Pi.Btl.
KstN 702 – Not found. KstN 703 is a motorized stab, see http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn7031okt37.htm see also http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/011 ... welle.html and http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=187048 .

As this is a stab unit, I will follow Tessin for vehicles, with reference to the above sources to estimate how many of the personell should be represented as available for fighting.
I suggest:
3 Horse Drawn wagons
2 Trucks
1 Light Rifle Squad (alternatively Motorcycle Squad)
4 l.MG (by 1944. I somehow doubt these were present in 1939)
Pi.Kp (x2)
KstN 711 – Not found. http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn7111okt37.htm shows KstN 711(Lw) which is Landwehr. The number of men seems to agree with Tessin, so I will take the vehicles from Tessin, and the armament from 711(Lw). See also the forum discussion linked under the stab above.

I suggest:
9 Pionier Squads (Engineers,but personally I would choose Assault squads, considering the German doctrine.)
9 l.MG
(by 1944, but possibly earlier) 2 s.MG
(by 1944, but possibly earlier) 2 8cm mortars
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=187048 also includes 3 AT rifles

le. Pi.Kp (mot)
Tessin doesn't show this, but all other sources are unanimous.
(KstN 714 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn7141okt38.htm )
In TOAW
9 Pionier Squads (Engineers,but personally I would choose Assault squads, considering the German doctrine.)
9 l.MG
26 Trucks
9 Kubelwagen

Bruckko B
No KstN. See http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn7331jun44.htm for the same unit in '44. http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/011 ... welle.html also shows the unit as motorized in '39, so i'll follow the '44 KstN below.

In TOAW:
16 Ferry-Bridging Teams (based on the number of pontoons carried by the unit. Use your own judgement.)
3 l.MG
38 Trucks
4 Light Rifle Squads (drivers)



l.Pi.Kolonne
(KstN 741 dated '43 was the closest I could find.)

In TOAW:
14 Trucks
2 l.MG
4 Light Rifle Squads (drivers)

[Telumar]

Just for clarity - this refers to the 1st Welle Inf Divisions, does it?

[samba_liten]

Yes, still 1st welle.