Demo first Impressions

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: Jacko

Another remark (all in good spirit, I hope it helps to improve the game). My Panther just had it's main gun damaged. I've always hated that when it happened in CMBB. Please don't overdo this feature. It is the first time it happens, so I'm not complaining, just would like to mention it. 

By the end of most battles that lasted more than 10 minutes most vehicles would have had some kind of mechanical failure to them. Whether it's battle damage like the gun getting hit, or periscopes shot out, or throw a track, engine overheating, etc....most games use a single end result to show that. In CM's case it was "Gun Damaged".

The main culprit of damage to a tank in combat that would not knock them out but force them to retire is a turret ring hit. It was the primary target for tank gunners.

We've discussed the myriad of things that can happen to YOUR tank and we've got a pretty basic set of bad things for you to deal with.

Only one of those is to have your gun damaged. Since we have more than just a single negative result we were able to lower the extent to which you read the words "Gun Damaged".

You won't see it as often as you have in some games.

Accumulated damage will also cause the crew to abandon the vehicle. Which you will see more often than the gun damaged results.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Mobius]

ORIGINAL: Jacko
Another remark (all in good spirit, I hope it helps to improve the game). My Panther just had it's main gun damaged. I've always hated that when it happened in CMBB. Please don't overdo this feature. It is the first time it happens, so I'm not complaining, just would like to mention it. 

The only way it happens is for the turret armor to be penetrated in some way. One of the results is the main gun being killed.
However, there is a small chance that a shell which would normally penetrate a little less than the armor value can sometimes penetrate a little more than the armor. In essence a 'critical hit'.

[Rik81]

YES! Got through the (Easy?) tutorial with a Marginal Victory (71-29). Took me 15 turns, got to see the plane drop a bomb on T12, nice. Nice game, looking forward to the full thing.

[Hexagon]

I know the icon option Mad Russian, i refer to add bases on units because when you zoom on units you loose the icon and on forest and break terrain is hard see infantry when they are at medium size, apart this and the non display of range on map (i know that you can see it on unit information) game is much better than i expect i plan buy it even first day if credit card appear on my hand by art of magic [:D]

[Mad Russian]

I remove the forest if it becomes too hard to see them.

If your credit card appear on your hand by art of magic you won't be alone..[:D]

Good Hunting.

MR

[junk2drive]

You can use the LOS tool and the end of the red band will have the distance shown.

[Jacko]

Glad to hear it won't happen as often as in the old CM-series. It really made me bite my keyboard sometimes...[:D]

[Hexagon]

Yep, i use the LOS tool but show the range on the bar that connect shooter with target is better you only need set the target and see the range on map... ba, is a minor issue not important but little details like this help a lot.

Damn Mad Russian, is a credit card apocalipsis!!! hide your credit cards, dont let then infectec!!! [:D]

[Gerry4321]

A thing I just noticed in the demo is one PzIII suffered track damage. But it only reduced the mobility to 33% so it could still move. I thought that was pretty neat, IOW it's not binary.

Gerry

[junk2drive]

And the track that is damaged doesn't move so that you know which one was hit. Wheeled vehicles too.

[Redmarkus5]

ORIGINAL: Jacko

Another remark (all in good spirit, I hope it helps to improve the game). My Panther just had it's main gun damaged. I've always hated that when it happened in CMBB. Please don't overdo this feature. It is the first time it happens, so I'm not complaining, just would like to mention it. 

Same thing happened to my Panther the first and only time I played that far into the scenario.

[Wiggum]

This game looks interesting !
After playing the demo a bit i still have some questions:

1. Will there be trenches, foxholes or other fortifications for infantry ?
2. Can units surrender ?
3. Will there be a AAR which list all casualitys (KIA,WIA,MIA) ?
4. Will there be long (1h +) battles with huge (4x4km or something) battles ?
5. Will there be real formations (companys or battalions) with the correct number of tanks and infantry ?
6. Will there be on-map mortars ?
7. Will units route ?
8. Is there any kind of command delay ?

...ok, thats it for the moment.

[junk2drive]

1 yes but put in by the map maker
2 yes but rare
3 yes the end game screen and you can review the end of battle map from there
4 no maps larger than 2k x 2k. You can make large battles but your computer better be beefy
5 yes
6 yes but less than 80mm
7 yes and retreat too
8 yes for Soviets with standard rules, optional for no delay or German delay. It is not like CM but set at 20 seconds or 40 seconds depending

[Pillar]

Infantry in houses are extremely resilient against a platoon of PzIII 50mm guns firing HE. 

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: Pillar

Infantry in houses are extremely resilient against a platoon of PzIII 50mm guns firing HE. 

You need to think of 50mm tank guns as a rough equivalent of a 40mm hand grenade. With a platoon of 3 tanks that's roughly the same as throwing 3 hand grenades at the infantry. Not the best results you would ever want to see.

Early war tanks weren't known for creating casualties to infantry in cover. They were known to cause tremendous casualties to infantry that breaks from cover and runs out in the open.

Having said all that we are working to improve the infantry combat system in PC4.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Mobius]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

ORIGINAL: Pillar
Infantry in houses are extremely resilient against a platoon of PzIII 50mm guns firing HE. 

You need to think of 50mm tank guns as a rough equivalent of a 40mm hand grenade. With a platoon of 3 tanks that's roughly the same as throwing 3 hand grenades at the infantry. Not the best results you would ever want to see.

He might have missed this in the other post.
.365 lb. = 5.84 oz.

[Mobius]

double post

[diablo1]

1. Can we change the amount of infantry units appearing per unit in the demo? If so where or what file is that located in? What's the max amount per unit? I'd like to show as many as possible with the added FPS turning off grass I can put more animated men on the map and I'd much rather have that than grass anyways.

2. Will the Russians get that "Wave" thingy that was in CM:BB?

[junk2drive]

Russians have charge and rush but no human wave. Charge is similar in that the platoon will fast move without stopping for casualties or to return fire.

[benpark]

Go to "options" (If I'm remembering correctly), and deselect "limit infantry". You will now see a larger number of soldiers depicted.

Soviet "human wave"- You will know the wave when you hear the .wav. It's chilling as the German player. I can't remember the order that kicks it in.