Where are my Mules? (Muling)

[Klydon]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Klydon


@Aurelian. Once again, you are so pro-Soviet as to be laughable when it comes to solving issues with this game. Having said that, lets look at your proposal that you tossed up in retort to someone trying to make a suggestion. First, the Germans are in better position to afford the admin points to free up certain units in order to retreat and the fact is that Hitler did authorize some retreating. Not often, but he did. Secondly, the Germans will just run a bit early during frost, much like they do now so once again, it won't solve a lot of issues.

If I was as pro Soviet as you claim, I would be attacking 2by3 for the changes they have made. You know, things such as shrinking command points of the Soviet armies. Removing the ability to make static units in 1941. And all the other changes.

Read all the changes made to the Soviets over the various patches, then show just where I claimed 2by3 has a pro Axis bias. And then, you can explain why I currently am at 1.06.6. So tell me, if what you claim is true, just why would I patch up to that?

Of course, I haven't, and you can't. So your claim is false.

Now, that that falsehood is exposed, let's move on.

You've been here long enough to know just how much complaining and accusations have been made because the Axis can't get those massive pockets. How much they want to implement so called "Stalin rules." And all the rest

But what you don't see, or just ignore, is the thundering silence when they can do what the Axis could not. I can't find *any* Axis complaint about how they can take Leningrad before winter. Or how they can take Moscow. Or how they can retreat during the blizzard. I have yet to see *any* Axis complaint that they have to launch Fall Blau, whether they want to or not. Or *any* Axis complaint on how they have to stand their ground.

Nor do I complain about how 2by3, or the game, is pro Axis because of that. "pro Soviet bias............ riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight."

Can you find those complaints?

You want Stalin rules to force the Soviets to act a certain way. Then you should be willing to accept Hitler rules to force the Axis to act the same way. That works for me.

And since Hitler interfered more and more as the war went on, while Stalin did the opposite, well.........

My point is you can absolutely be counted on to champion anything and everything Soviet. To you, there appears to be no rule that inhibits the Axis that you don't like and in fact you would like to see more done to inhibit the Axis like the Lvov opening nerfed, etc.

There are plenty of people that just want a a playable game that is good. The game without a lot of house rules, is just not there yet and it won't be since the majority of time and effort is now concentrated on WITW.

[AFV]

Aurelian you owe the jar yet another dollar.

[glvaca]

I was looking at the start of the 1942 scenario. Seems pretty interesting and perhaps a good alternative for those who want to skip 1941 because of all the "problems" they attribute to the game.
You should check it out.

[hfarrish]

I played the '42 scenario once as the Germans and really enjoyed it - a lot of different directions you can take the campaign in. The German army did seem to collapse too quickly in late '43/ early '44, and not sure whether patches have lessened this impact over time. The reduction of forts could make the late war period particularly challenging as the German.

[Tarhunnas]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

But what you don't see, or just ignore, is the thundering silence when they can do what the Axis could not. I can't find *any* Axis complaint about how they can take Leningrad before winter. Or how they can take Moscow. Or how they can retreat during the blizzard. I have yet to see *any* Axis complaint that they have to launch Fall Blau, whether they want to or not. Or *any* Axis complaint on how they have to stand their ground.

There has been lots of discussion on the forum about how relatively easy it is to take Leningrad.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

But what you don't see, or just ignore, is the thundering silence when they can do what the Axis could not. I can't find *any* Axis complaint about how they can take Leningrad before winter. Or how they can take Moscow. Or how they can retreat during the blizzard. I have yet to see *any* Axis complaint that they have to launch Fall Blau, whether they want to or not. Or *any* Axis complaint on how they have to stand their ground.

There has been lots of discussion on the forum about how relatively easy it is to take Leningrad.

Yes there has. But still, they take it. Which goes to show that they are not tied to the rails some over and over claim they are.

I've certainly never complained about it falling. (I always took Lgrad in 41 then Moscow in 42 in the boardgame.) Heck, lost it in my current game.