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RE: F4F-7

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ORIGINAL: Leandros
I have a Navy Dept. document on the F4F-3 “land” from Oct. 14th 1942. The max. F4F-3 take-off weight referred to there is 8.361 lbs, a configuration with two drop tanks. It states the following take-off lengths for that weight:

Zero wind: 736 feet
15 kts. Headwind: 480 feet
25 kts. headwind: 330 feet
Just one more area to note before you try using similar aircraft characteristics to determine how the F4F-7 could get airborne, any % increase
in weight will normally create an even greater % increase in take off distance and this can become even more marked as the weight approaches
an aircraft's maximum gross TOW. And if drop tanks are present in similar aircraft (such as your F4F-3 example) then make sure the aerodynamic
drag penalty from these aren't carried over to your clean F4F-7's T/O run calculation.

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RE: F4F-7

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The thing is, I doubt that the aircraft was used too often for a 3,000 mile recon flight. Probably most flights were of much shorter duration. Would they just not reduce the fuel load accordingly for such a recon trip making the plane much easier to get up off a carrier? I am just speculating but I seriously doubt that many flights (if any) were going off carriers with a full load. If operating near a land base it seems that it would make more sense to transfer the plane to that base (and then gas it up) if a very long range recon were needed.

The information needed is how these planes were actually used. We know what they were designed for but did very long range recon with these planes ever happen in practice?
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RE: F4F-7

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ORIGINAL: crsutton

The thing is, I doubt that the aircraft was used too often for a 3,000 mile recon flight. Probably most flights were of much shorter duration. Would they just not reduce the fuel load accordingly for such a recon trip making the plane much easier to get up off a carrier? I am just speculating but I seriously doubt that many flights (if any) were going off carriers with a full load. If operating near a land base it seems that it would make more sense to transfer the plane to that base (and then gas it up) if a very long range recon were needed.
You are correct but Leandros in this case was (or appeared to be) going to calculate the take off run of a fully loaded F4F-7 so as to confirm it was
possible for that aircraft with the same weight to operate from a USN fleet carrier.
The information needed is how these planes were actually used. We know what they were designed for but did very long range recon with these planes ever happen in practice?
I've never read of any F4F-7 being used for very long range operational missions and those units that used them appeared to carry little or no fuel
in the unprotected wing tanks. The F4F-7 were never used operationally from USN CVs. They were instead given to land-based USN and USMC aviation
units who then used them primarily for conventional photo-mapping missions alongside F4F-3Ps and F4F-4Ps, as well as for training and as a liason
aircraft. The F4F-7's career highlight was probably from Sep to Nov '42 when, as the only dedicated photo-recon aircraft type based at CACTUS, it
performed valuable photographic missions around Guadalcanal that allowed the Marine Division to produce its first detailed military maps covering
the local battle area.
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