ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR)

[Centuur]

The trick with China is to force the Japanese into attacks against at least 2 unit stacks, which are situated in mountains and than hope for the Japanese to use at least the same number (or more) units than the Chinese is losing. That can only happen if you defend with two units a hex...

One unit in a hex defending often means that the Japanese can attack and destroy it without losses, making the Chinese position even weaker than it already is...

Turn ends, that's very good.

Now, on builds: try to stick to the very basic units for the CW, except from starting to build an AMPH. Merchantmen, HQ, cheap boots on the ground, fighters, NAV and carrier planes in the sky is what you need most. I've seen players lose the game because they wanted to finish the CW CV's and BB's currently in the construction pool...

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Centuur

The trick with China is to force the Japanese into attacks against at least 2 unit stacks, which are situated in mountains and than hope for the Japanese to use at least the same number (or more) units than the Chinese is losing. That can only happen if you defend with two units a hex...

One unit in a hex defending often means that the Japanese can attack and destroy it without losses, making the Chinese position even weaker than it already is...

Thanks Peter, makes sense and not what I'm did with one, which is sending it into more risky position to be picked off.

[Centuur]

And here is another quite strong tactic on increasing the defense of France:

See if you can lend France resources and build points by the CW next turn to fill the French factories. Nothing better than to have a lot more French units in France than British ones who cannot enter France when M/A 1940 starts...

[Jagdtiger14]

And here is another quite strong tactic on increasing the defense of France: See if you can lend France resources and build points by the CW next turn to fill the French factories. Nothing better than to have a lot more French units in France than British ones who cannot enter France when M/A 1940 starts...



_____________________________ Peter

That is so right! The projections for French BP's:
S/O'39=5 (9 factories + using the oil).
N/D'39=7 (13 factories with CW sending 4 resources and maybe 1 BP depending on what the French build the first impulse).
J/F'40=11 (14 factories with CW sending 5 resources and maybe 1 BP)
M/A'40=11 ( " )

M/J'40 under Fall Gelb circumstances, France normally sends all its BP's to CW. Under a Fall Weiss situation I will predict Germany takes Paris on its last J/A'40 impulse under average/above average rolls and strategy. There is a very good chance it will take sometime in S/O'40, and if the weather is poor and quick turns...so possibly there is a chance to build for France in M/J.
J/A'40 send the French build points to CW.

1939 useful builds:
4xMIL
MTN div.(can possibly replace a corp along the Italian front depending on what the Italians do).
also, after the above: CAV div, MOT div.(some needed toppers).
Interesting as well: MTN corps, AT gun, and two MECH div's.

Big question is do you build the HQ-I (I normally do not, but some do). Another question is, do you want to get more FTR2's/pilots?...the Germans will probably not build any more FTR2's for now, and France gets some pretty good FTR2's in 1940. The problem with that is those fighters might fly once a turn vs having more ground units.

1940 useful builds:
HQ-A
1xINF
1xGAR

I am very surprised they did not get Italy into the war, if for no other reason than to lend them BP's next turn and get them started building useful tools. I think this is a mistake and (sort of!) communicates there will not really be a Med strategy. More time will tell of course.

I'm surprised Germany could not run a MECH or ARM over to the Danish border. With the Polish set up, taking Warsaw was no big deal...Germany should have turned around at least one 6 mover on the first impulse after the Allied GS to give them a chance on Denmark. Rundstedt should have turned westward on the first impulse.

Oil...see my post #48 on page 2. There might be 2 oil worth of units to re-org for Germany. He could probably spread that out over two more turns and have it cost only 1 oil...but that will limit the usage of oil dependent units over the next two turns.

[Mayhemizer_slith]

What do you think, is Germany going to take Netherlands first or going to Belgium?

France has a problem: If they use their only oil and save oil to France, their production is 4. If France saves oil to Syria, production is 5.

I fear that if France has no oil Italy is going to declare war and Germany attacks Belgium. In that case France can't reorganize anything after next turn.

CW promised to send on oil and other resources.

My plan is to reorganize only 0,4 oil (=HQ remains disorganized, planes and TRS are reorganized) and save oil to Syria. CW sends oil to France and after next turn France can reorganize 1,4 oil.

I'm planning to build INF HQ this turn.

[Jagdtiger14]

Germany seems to be taking the traditional route, which would make Netherlands first. They also have Denmark to take care of...would be nice to ground strike something again...and get French naval units into the highest Baltic box. Did Germany keep any naval units at sea in the Baltic? I would like to see a map of Germany if possible.

I thought Allies can use each other's oil for re-org...or am I imagining that? I would save the oil in Syria...the French fleet can deal with the Italians (any damage the French fleet can put on the Italian fleet is a victory).

The Germans I think will have an oil problem...can you count how many oil points they need to spend to re-org everything?

Ok, so I see now they used 2 oil to re-org and still have stuff flipped.

The German builds are not good...only 1 pilot, the Synth too soon. 1939 BP's should be used to fight France plus what comes right after (Med?). The soonest I would have built the Synth is M/A'40, but with a Fall Weiss probably J/A'40. Germany will not have enough pilots.

[Jagdtiger14]

Looks like the Japs in China are going south and then west. Then after that possibly north if its open...or further west to cut the Burma road.

[Jagdtiger14]

Just to verify production in the actual game:

1. Germany did not get the Turkish resource?
2a. Germany was reduced 1 resource in the Nazi-Soviet pact trade agreement?
2b. USSR sent 1 less resource to Germany?

Ok, I think I verified it on my own:
Germany used 2 oil of their three saved.
Received 6 oil, 2 of which were saved (back up to 3), produced with 4.
Received 17 resources as opposed to 19 due to Turkey and USSR trade.
17+4=21x0.75=15.75(16).

[Jagdtiger14]

My main concern in China is that the 4 hex line of units will become ZOC'ed in place and then Japan can walk where ever it wants to. If Japan goes first next turn the 5-3 is in danger of becoming trapped.

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

My main concern in China is that the 4 hex line of units will become ZOC'ed in place and then Japan can walk where ever it wants to. If Japan goes first next turn the 5-3 is in danger of becoming trapped.

Indeed. Trouble is, the only alternative would have been leaving the disorganised AT gun behind and losing that for certain.

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: AllenK

ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

My main concern in China is that the 4 hex line of units will become ZOC'ed in place and then Japan can walk where ever it wants to. If Japan goes first next turn the 5-3 is in danger of becoming trapped.

Indeed. Trouble is, the only alternative would have been leaving the disorganised AT gun behind and losing that for certain.

To be honest, I think you need to accept that loss...

And on oil: only major powers who cooperate may use each others oil. With a little luck, next turn will be a short one, so I think leaving the HQ disorganised is a good decision.

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Centuur

ORIGINAL: AllenK

ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

My main concern in China is that the 4 hex line of units will become ZOC'ed in place and then Japan can walk where ever it wants to. If Japan goes first next turn the 5-3 is in danger of becoming trapped.

Indeed. Trouble is, the only alternative would have been leaving the disorganised AT gun behind and losing that for certain.

To be honest, I think you need to accept that loss...

And on oil: only major powers who cooperate may use each others oil. With a little luck, next turn will be a short one, so I think leaving the HQ disorganised is a good decision.

Probably. If Allies do get to move first, it might be salvageable. If not, it will depend whether or not the Japanese want to try an at best 3:1 attack on the CAV to put the units east OOS if it works.

[Centuur]

If they don't attack with these kind of odds, you can count yourself Lucky indeed....

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Centuur

If they don't attack with these kind of odds, you can count yourself Lucky indeed....

Yep. The only crumb from that is the 90% chance (assuming the CAV doesn't get ground-struck) the attackers will be disorganised afterwards. Just helps to buy a bit of time and slow things down.

[brian brian]

I think using allies' oil is a WiF rule newer than MWiF?

[Jagdtiger14]

Brian, did you not re-org with allied oil in our game? I thought you did.

Japan:
1. I cant believe he built the ARM.
2. What units if any are not being re-orged in China?

[Mayhemizer_slith]

2) Japan reorganized everything else but one fighter. Also all transporters are disorganized.

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: brian brian

I think using allies' oil is a WiF rule newer than MWiF?

As far as I know, the rule changes to the annual of 2008 are included in MWIF. So this rule change was made before this moment.

Japan building an ARM is good news for the Wallies and bad news for China. It is somewhat of a "throw the kitchen sink" strategy. Your opponent wants to conquer China and makes this a priority above building up the fleet against the Wallies. There is only one major power available to put pressure on the Japanese, and that's the USSR. Uncle Joe should be sending over troops and planes towards Manchuria to force the Japanese to maintain a garrison there. Now, that's pretty difficult with the USSR now fighting in Bulgaria and a garrison ratio with Germany to be kept up...

[Jagdtiger14]

Japan building an ARM is good news for the Wallies and bad news for China. It is somewhat of a "throw the kitchen sink" strategy. Your opponent wants to conquer China and makes this a priority above building up the fleet against the Wallies.

I agree this means Japan is going all out to kill China (if this is the case, the US should deploy as far forward and be as aggressive as possible...ie...sub fleet and supply chit in Philippines, etc..). However, I think the ARM is a waste of BP's (it is only a black print 7 point unit...if he wants it for its blitz capability, a MECH div would have been better...and he's screwed his gearing.

Bulgaria will be finished before the ARM makes it on the map (leave a white print GAR in Sofia). I am in all serious terms possible not recommending sending units to Manchuria at this point (until the threat of '41 Barb is over)...I'm thinking a '41 (or sooner if foolish decisions are made) Barbarossa is in the works, and you don't want USSR's pants down with many units messing around in Manchuria.

[AllenK]

That's curious, letting the Allies go first. In China I can pull the AT gun and Inf back a hex into the mountains and double up the CAV with the 5-3 INF. That's quite a let off.

Is France going combined to send out the TRANS?

Shall we up the ante in the Med by putting the RN CV's in the West Med 4-box? If Italy doesn't DoW they risk a CW DoW and surprise port strike on La Spezia.