(FINALE) AAR - Fall Weiss II - BPINisBACK vs crispy131313

[crispy131313]

May 1944 (3 of 3)

[crispy131313]

July 8, 1944

- The Eastern Front is collapsing.
- Paris remains a front line city under German occupation.
- Spain has ceased Exports to Germany, leaving Turkey as the sole neutral trade partner of Germany.
- Naval skirmishes continue in the Mediterranean.
- Corsica has been captured by the Free French.
- Tripoli and Tunisia remain in Axis hands.

[KorutZelva]

I'll be honest I didn't think BPINisBACK wasn't going to take that one in 1941. I thought he was doomed. [X(] Crispy what was the turning point? Lack of counter measure for the bombing campaign?

[crispy131313]

ORIGINAL: KorutZelva

I'll be honest I didn't think BPINisBACK wasn't going to take that one in 1941. I thought he was doomed. [X(] Crispy what was the turning point? Lack of counter measure for the bombing campaign?

Moscow.

This was a killing ground where Soviets were replaced quicker then Germans. Even with the power of the Luftwaffe focused on this area I wasn't able to capture the capital, due in large part to strong Anti-aircraft defense systems set up around the capital. I've bumped up AA capabilities so that at lease some select cities can be protected from enemy Bomber clusters. Facing an 0-4 against Moscow is a pretty good deterrent for experienced bombers, especially with multiple AA to deal with. Similarly, when I advancing on Stalingrad I was getting identical results until I bombed the HQ that had attached to the AA, I also learned in the process that killing a HQ instantly lowers the stats of the attached units, resulting in 1-2 instead of 0-4 after re-targeting the same bombers before and after the HQ was destroyed, good enough odds to begin attacks and de-entrenchment of the front line fortifications which finally allowed me to overrun the enemy.

If I had to list a turning point in the Western Theater it would have to be the Allied bombing campaign, which in hindsight I could have protected more against, but there is only so much you can prepare for.

Overall though I am still quite happy, I will attempt to fight into 1947 and sue for peace [:D] as the Allies are still very far from Berlin and lagging historical gains.

[James Taylor]

This is exactly what we have found in crispy's FW II. Playing the 1.11 version, it seems that cities upgraded with aa tech 2 occupied by units with aa 2, adjacent to an aa unit teched to 2 provides a defense that cannot be penetrated by even two star experienced bombers.

The losses are simply unbearable.

We are now reduced to using artillery or multiple Corps attacks to remove entrenchments in such cases where the multi-level aa defense is encountered.

[crispy131313]

Given the limited capacity of the AA I think this is desirable, would you agree? Bombers still reduce entrenchment, morale, readiness but can not single handedly destroy major cities if they have been chosen to be defended as vigorously as Stalingrad was for example.

[James Taylor]

Love this version of WW2 by the way, better than the original, outstanding DEs.

I'm going to reserve my opinion for a little longer. Want to bring the Strat Bombers, try some other ways to degrade the aa defense(perhaps LR artillery).

That's the question, how to degrade the aa units when unable to get to them with ground units attacks. Not much maneuver room around Leningrad.

I'm thinking, off the top of my head, that historically there was not much of a mechanism to reduce a multi-level aa defense, even present day it is very difficult given stealth, ARM and wild weasel like electronic efforts.

It definitely makes it tough going up against the USSR when they get IW2 and AA2, usually happens in 1942.

[crispy131313]

ORIGINAL: James Taylor

Love this version of WW2 by the way, better than the original, outstanding DEs.

I'm going to reserve my opinion for a little longer. Want to bring the Strat Bombers, try some other ways to degrade the aa defense(perhaps LR artillery).

That's the question, how to degrade the aa units when unable to get to them with ground units attacks. Not much maneuver room around Leningrad.

I'm thinking, off the top of my head, that historically there was not much of a mechanism to reduce a multi-level aa defense, even present day it is very difficult given stealth, ARM and wild weasel like electronic efforts.

It definitely makes it tough going up against the USSR when they get IW2 and AA2, usually happens in 1942.

Thanks for the kind words, glad you like it! Please feel free to provide balance feedback at anytime.

[crispy131313]

September 1944 (1 of 3)

[crispy131313]

September 1944 (2 of 3)

[crispy131313]

September 1944 (3 of 3)

[crispy131313]

Feb 1944

Germany's downfall is coming soon.

[KorutZelva]

Italy went belly up from excessive unit losses or Rome was conquered?

[crispy131313]

ORIGINAL: KorutZelva

Italy went belly up from excessive unit losses or Rome was conquered?

The Western Allies were invading Northern Italy through mainland France, capturing multiple National Morale targets which led to the collapse.

Also the above date should have read February 1945. It is hard to believe how contested the match was in the summer of 1943 and where we have arrived at now.

[BPINisBACK]

I want to say "Thank you very much Crypy" for keep playing the game until the last men!
[&o][&o]
Many people left their games as soon as they feel that the game is lost. So, thank you very much!!!

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Regarding the game.

I think that if Axis lost the initiative... It has a very small chance of possibilities to return to the offensive.

I still don't know what's better:

A) To try to hold as much a possible the line (which the most common strategy).
B) To make a "big" retreat to a shorter line in order to save the most experience units and wait to future reinforcements and try to move forward after some months... with your better units...

Don't know...

But the fact is that Axis has only a few of turns to react if the allies push really really hard...

[James Taylor]

As Axis, I've been successful, when losing the initiative, by training a group of Germans & Italians with HQs on the lesser countries, like Greece, Swiss, Yugo, etc.

I keep this force off the front lines against USSR/UK/USA as long as possible, honing their experience on Partisans if need be, only deploying them with certain success.

When the Allies make their push, they get called into action, but only on the continent.

If I win, it is because time runs out because, as it stands now, against an experienced SC player the Axis can no longer conquer the world.

[crispy131313]

ORIGINAL: James Taylor

As Axis, I've been successful, when losing the initiative, by training a group of Germans & Italians with HQs on the lesser countries, like Greece, Swiss, Yugo, etc.

I keep this force off the front lines against USSR/UK/USA as long as possible, honing their experience on Partisans if need be, only deploying them with certain success.

When the Allies make their push, they get called into action, but only on the continent.

If I win, it is because time runs out because, as it stands now, against an experienced SC player the Axis can no longer conquer the world.

I tried something similar with my last offensive into Belgium, with 4 Tank Armies, 2 Tank Corp, 3 Tank Divisions, 3 HQ's and ancillary units. It was successful for a time but I could not sustain the momentum.

Like BPINisback suggested, I may have had better luck had I withdrawn faster in USSR to regroup rather then slowly inching back to the next defensive line.

[crispy131313]

May 1945

[sillyflower]

I reckon that doing better than historically is a marginal or moral win for the Axis player whatever the official VCs are.

[BPINisBACK]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

I reckon that doing better than historically is a marginal or moral win for the Axis player whatever the official VCs are.

I'm completely agree!!!!