Stepping away...

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: IslandInland

It always makes laugh when a frequenter of a forum posts they are leaving said forum.

So, when I posted that I left the Matrix World in Flames forum I made you laugh?

[panzer51]

ORIGINAL: loki100

ORIGINAL: panzer51

guess the Soviets didn't repurpose combat formations that often in the war? Hence the lack of withdrawals for this pupose.

Not really. Soviets withdrew their airgroups for rebuilding all the time. For example, 63 BAP withdrew on September 24, 1941. Only returned on October 23, 1942. Is it in the game? Nope.

apologies - hadn't realised you had shifted the analysis to the changing air OOB.

Have a look at the reinforcement chart for the Soviets, from late 41 to mid/late 42 there is endless churn of air groups and AOG as the VVS re-organised, so I think that is modelled?

I see no difference, the group was not at the front lines for over a year, shouldn't it be removed? The groups you're talking about were all new, sometimes formed from one squadron of an existing group, or simply their personnel. The old groups continued on but sometimes were disbanded.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: panzer51

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I see no difference, the group was not at the front lines for over a year, shouldn't it be removed? The groups you're talking about were all new, sometimes formed from one squadron of an existing group, or simply their personnel. The old groups continued on but sometimes were disbanded.

this maybe an unfair question as I realise you are keen to see bias and errors. But .. have you played the Soviets in the game? Across 1942 and into 1943, the VVS is constantly evolving as commands are removed, repurposed and returned.

So since that is in the game (it really is), I'm really confused as to what point you are trying to make.

I mean the Soviets see plenty of ground units removed and redesignated, just that mostly this follows the flow of 1941/2 rather than scripted redeployments to other fronts or to retrain on new equipment. As far as I know, from 1942 onwards the Soviets didn't tend to redesignate existing formations as something else? There is no equivalent of taking a motorised division and training as a PzrGr formation or from PzrGr to Pzr (most of which I believe happen in situ on the map)

[panzer51]

ORIGINAL: loki100

ORIGINAL: panzer51

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I see no difference, the group was not at the front lines for over a year, shouldn't it be removed? The groups you're talking about were all new, sometimes formed from one squadron of an existing group, or simply their personnel. The old groups continued on but sometimes were disbanded.

this maybe an unfair question as I realise you are keen to see bias and errors. But .. have you played the Soviets in the game? Across 1942 and into 1943, the VVS is constantly evolving as commands are removed, repurposed and returned.

So since that is in the game (it really is), I'm really confused as to what point you are trying to make.

I mean the Soviets see plenty of ground units removed and redesignated, just that mostly this follows the flow of 1941/2 rather than scripted redeployments to other fronts or to retrain on new equipment. As far as I know, from 1942 onwards the Soviets didn't tend to redesignate existing formations as something else? There is no equivalent of taking a motorised division and training as a PzrGr formation or from PzrGr to Pzr (most of which I believe happen in situ on the map)

I'm reworking Soviet and Romanian airforce as well as ground troops. I don't see bias anywhere but I see incorrect TOEs and missing withdrawals and disbanding of Soviet airgroups. I see German groups being withdrawn all the time and I understand the repositioning.

However, retraining from I-16 to MiG, Yak or LaGG wasn't something that could've been accomplished in a couple of weeks, those planes handled completely differently and that's why groups were withdrawn from front lines for months.
So, yes I believe if the group is to be rebuilt with completely new planes, this only can be done in reserve with a delay.

[GibsonPete]

I agree on the TO&E's but understand the decisions made by the Development team to not add or delete organizations. In 42 the Rumanians formed Tank hunter teams from the platoon HQ runners. It was part of the TO&E but is not represented in game. Why? Platoon HQ are not represented. The Germans had a "trained marksman" at the platoon level with a scoped rifle. Does that count as a sniper? Don't know. Would it make a dramatic difference? Doubt it. The German rifle grenades were introduced in 42 but do not appear until 43. I am certain others could provide other examples but it comes down to developers balancing how important an item is overall to the game.

Rebuilding an Air Group by sending it to the reserve. Do you want that to apply to both sides? Swapping 109's with 190's means I must send the Air group to the reserve?

[IslandInland]

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

ORIGINAL: IslandInland

It always makes laugh when a frequenter of a forum posts they are leaving said forum.

So, when I posted that I left the Matrix World in Flames forum I made you laugh?

No. I didn't read that particular post.

I only laugh at the ones I read. Tree falling in a forest making a sound etc.

Although all the drama queens in all the Matrix forums combined certainly do generate a din all of their own.