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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko
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After seeing so many great banners, I had to try one myself.

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Argh no! Is that Do24? Ever since first banners started appearing I wanted to be the first to make one with this fine plane, I guess you beat me to it [:D]

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Heh, it is. It was flown by the dutch airforce.
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"The design was deficient in internal subdivision. He [Siegfried Popper, the designer] did not believe in the anti-torpedo bulkheads favored by the Imperial German Navy and the Royal Navy, among others. Instead, he clung to the outdated concept of a centreline bulkhead or did without any longitudinal bulkheads. War experience was to show that centreline bulkheads accelerated capsizing after flooding." (Preston 62). poor design resulting in low stability and poor underwater protection.

it's a fun book to read. talks about the poor design of Bismarck, the WW1 RN "idiot" class battlecruisers (as we who played Jutland referred to them), Yamato, and Soviet Alpha clas SSNs.

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I think I remember "Tiornu"

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saying that book is not very accurate in many aspects (and he is truely expert in war ship field)...


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Hi Apollo

from the model site, I take back what I said, it looks much nicer from the veiws there :)

by the by, from those shots, what are sticking out the sides of the hull ?, almost looks like oars [:-]

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from the model site, I take back what I said, it looks much nicer from the veiws there :)

Yes... that guy really did great job for doing ship in 3D (and I saw several other 3D projects which are also great: Hood, Bismarck)!

by the by, from those shots, what are sticking out the sides of the hull ?, almost looks like oars [:-]

No idea...


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Hi Apollo

from the model site, I take back what I said, it looks much nicer from the veiws there :)

by the by, from those shots, what are sticking out the sides of the hull ?, almost looks like oars [:-]

HARD_Sarge

These must be holders for anti torpedo netting. Though the practice of using anti torpedo nets on ships themselves (as opposed to having nets as part of harbor defense) was abandoned by many navies by mid-WW1, many ships retained the "poles" for anti torpedo nets even after that.

When travelling, whole "contraption" (poles, net and all) was lined alongside ships hull, well trained crew was able to extend the "poles" and lower the netting in a matter of 10-20 seconds.

Apparently nets proved unable to stop the torpedo and were thought as ineffective way to stop the torpedo based on experience from Russo-Japanese war. Then there was possibility of fouling the screw with the net etc.

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Hi Apollo

from the model site, I take back what I said, it looks much nicer from the veiws there :)

by the by, from those shots, what are sticking out the sides of the hull ?, almost looks like oars [:-]

HARD_Sarge

Extended beams for torpedo nets? [&:]
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from the model site, I take back what I said, it looks much nicer from the veiws there :)

by the by, from those shots, what are sticking out the sides of the hull ?, almost looks like oars [:-]

HARD_Sarge

oleg is correct, they are supports for anti-torpedo nets.

btw looks like my emails finally got through and they got their email server fixed (got a nice note from erik rutkins) so now i have to decide if i revert back to WAYNEC or stay at BRAVOW01. (gee we should all be so lucky as to have problems as "serious" as this)

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So,whos is voted #1?

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it's a fun book to read. talks about the poor design of Bismarck, the WW1 RN "idiot" class battlecruisers (as we who played Jutland referred to them), Yamato, and Soviet Alpha clas SSNs.

Hey, what's wrong with the I class battlecruisers? Speed = protection is a good idea.....so long as you don't use a battlecruiser like a battleship.

You know, considering HMS Invincible blew up with Admiral Horace Hood at the helm, you'd think people would be wary of serving on another battlecruiser that bore his name.

Wierd though,

HMS Invincible: sunk, magazine explosion May 31, 1916, 6 survivors, Adm. Hood commanding
HMS Hood: sunk, magazine explosion, May 24, 1941, 3 survivors, Adm. Holland commanding

2 ships related to the same man, sunk by the same means, in the same month a quarter of a century later. It's freaky.
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HMS Invincible: sunk, magazine explosion May 31, 1916, 6 survivors, Adm. Hood commanding
HMS Hood: sunk, magazine explosion, May 24, 1941, 3 survivors, Adm. Holland commanding

2 ships related to the same man, sunk by the same means, in the same month a quarter of a century later. It's freaky.

ok to continue this thread Holland (The Netherlands) surrenders to the Germans on May 14, 1940.
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And german forces in the netherlands surrendered may 45. [;)]
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Dumb question...

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... - how can I attach a banner to my sig?
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Come on, have a heart for a computer blond - give me a hint!
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Go to this thread. About halfway down it talks about how to put your banner in your sig.
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Ah, finally! [:D]

Let's see how long it will last...
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LST, you scoundrel![:)]
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