General Billy vs Bwheatley (Ended)

[general billy]

Lihu is taken

An undefended US base is taken by the Japs.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/20/22

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TF 46 troops unloading over beach at Lihu, 110,67


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TF 46 troops unloading over beach at Lihu, 110,67



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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 98269 troops, 409 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 51988 troops, 284 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
175 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26229 troops, 250 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 120527 troops, 410 guns, 53 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Lihu

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1488 troops, 31 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Lihu base !!!

[general billy]

Fighting is getting tougher

US forces are holding out but are taking heavy casualties, supplies are still good

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/21/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 120618 troops, 419 guns, 53 vehicles

Defending force 52332 troops, 294 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
3063 casualties reported
Guns lost 30
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1045 casualties reported
Guns lost 18


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25864 troops, 236 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 116483 troops, 362 guns, 51 vehicles

[center]A race against time[/center]

UK forces dont want to miss the action. 2 Divisions on route, 14th and 17th Indian divisions.

[general billy]

US bombardment weakens

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/22/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 105810 troops, 380 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 51520 troops, 280 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26055 troops, 240 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 117716 troops, 381 guns, 51 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Guns lost 4



Additonal comments:- Coastal guns at Bataan spot and fire at British fast transport taskforce. None hits scored.

[general billy]

US controls British troops


Two new british divisions arrive to meet a Japanese deliberate attack. US and British suffer heavy casualties. Manila is in need for new supplies for the new extra units. UK and US have ask to buy supplies from the french. France agrees.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/23/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 119130 troops, 383 guns, 52 vehicles

Defending force 66636 troops, 416 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
2499 casualties reported
Guns lost 42

Allied ground losses:
1397 casualties reported
Guns lost 22


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25373 troops, 215 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 113116 troops, 330 guns, 52 vehicles

[general billy]

Bring it on

British and US forces await main Japanese thrust. Bombardments stop to conserve ammo.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/24/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1864 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 64885 troops, 363 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported

[center]US forces are glad to see the Brits in Manila. [/center]

British and US commanders hope that the added defenders will be able to hold.

[general billy]

First set of US ships are home

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/25/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 92671 troops, 353 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 65708 troops, 386 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
166 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[center]First US vets make it home[/center]

[center][/center]

[general billy]

Japs sending more units in

Bombardment causes lack of supplies


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/26/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44709 troops, 376 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 135155 troops, 419 guns, 54 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
204 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 2

[center]Supplies are running low[/center]

[general billy]

Supplies are in bad shape.

US and British forces still are holding, supplies are getting low. Supplies should come tommorow from French Camranh Bay by fast transport. British, US are debating whether to pull out from Manila.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/27/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 131540 troops, 442 guns, 54 vehicles

Defending force 66797 troops, 404 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
4220 casualties reported
Guns lost 66
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1158 casualties reported
Guns lost 33

[general billy]

Japs shock attack goes bad at Manila

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/28/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 143136 troops, 481 guns, 54 vehicles

Defending force 65424 troops, 373 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
6439 casualties reported
Guns lost 57
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
889 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

[general billy]

Japs subs tries to engaged fast transports

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/29/22

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Sub attack near Bataan at 42,51

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58

Allied Ships
DD Chandler
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Pillsbury
DD Peary
DD Pope

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ASW attack near Bataan at 42,51

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58

Allied Ships
DD Swan
DD Parramatta
DD Torrens
DD Huon
DD Pruitt
DD Mackay
DD Hulbert


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 124312 troops, 426 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 64730 troops, 368 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
306 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[general billy]

The question of Manila

Once again im posting a message about long term strategy and the question of importance for holding Manila. So far Manila has the PI garrision 500 AP plus two indian divisions (400 AP) that gives a total assualt point strengh of 900. Camranh Bay now has nearly 200 AK's and AP's. A number UK divisions have also arrived there.

Options 1. Hold Manila at all cost,
Send in more British reinforcements and supplies , total assult points will be 1000.


Option 2. Buy all the PI garrisons with political points (3000) and pull out of Manila. Regroup and land again on the PI at a later time.

What do you think gentlemen. Im keen on option 2

[BossGnome]

so am i...can i see the victory pts screen please? You must be waaay below him in army pts lost...

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: general billy

The question of Manila

Once again im posting a message about long term strategy and the question of importance for holding Manila. So far Manila has the PI garrision 500 AP plus two indian divisions (400 AP) that gives a total assualt point strengh of 900. Camranh Bay now has nearly 200 AK's and AP's. A number UK divisions have also arrived there.

Options 1. Hold Manila at all cost,
Send in more British reinforcements and supplies , total assult points will be 1000.


Option 2. Buy all the PI garrisons with political points (3000) and pull out of Manila. Regroup and land again on the PI at a later time.

What do you think gentlemen. Im keen on option 2

Well this would be one of the central "strategic" questions of the game !!!

IF IF IF Manilla can be held ( and that means held without losing it - i.e. really holding it ) then it absolutely should be. For WPO. Manilla was always the primary if not the only objective of the phase II operations. Manilla was to be the "big base" from which phase III ( the blocade of Japan ) would be launched. So, if Manilla can be held, then the US Battlefleet has its base and the phase II objectives are already met.

Now, if Manilla cannot be held ... then throwing more material away at this point would not necessarily make sense, unless you were buying time for something very specific to be accomplished.

So anyway, I don't think it is as much of a question of SHOULD Manilla be held, but CAN Manilla be held. If it CAN be held, then it SHOULD be held.

Manilla gives you a 4 to 1 multiplier for your AV. So if you can bring in 1 AV for every 4 AV he can bring in then you are reinforcing equally. But then what about supply and loses ? You also need to be able to bring in enough supply to at least control the amount of down side movement to your supply total. If all of these things can be done. Then Manilla can probably hold and thus it should be attempted.


Now if the Japanese Battlefleet can be in the Manilla area to the exclusion of anything of the Allied side that can offset the Japanese Battlefleet, then all bets are off. The Japanese Battlefleet must be kept occcupied in order for you to be able to ensure you can get supplies in ( not to mention reinforcements ).

Fighting for Manilla could become the be-all-end-all Battle and if you can hold out - it becomes an attrition battle that will be greatly in your favor.

So, the key judgement call is, can you hold out ? You should have more data than I do about this since you're playing the game. But figure out what he can get there by when and what you can get there by when .... and then make your decision.

Good luck - we will be watching !!!

[general billy]

@jwilkerson

Thanks I will need all the luck I can get.
Ive decided to hold it at all cost. Until the Brits are ready. [:D]

[center]Score so far[/center]

[center][/center]

[general billy]

Fighting continues

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/30/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 164484 troops, 753 guns, 54 vehicles

Defending force 65384 troops, 392 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
3747 casualties reported
Guns lost 62
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1349 casualties reported
Guns lost 14


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 42113 troops, 357 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 172299 troops, 665 guns, 53 vehicles


[center]How it looks[/center]

[general billy]

[center]What Manila is facing[/center]

[general billy]

Japs continue to attack

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/31/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 157511 troops, 683 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 64468 troops, 385 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
3340 casualties reported
Guns lost 48

Allied ground losses:
1003 casualties reported
Guns lost 20

[general billy]

Japs casualities are getting worst


Nearly 4 to 1 ratio now

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/01/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 189175 troops, 934 guns, 54 vehicles

Defending force 63878 troops, 376 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
4246 casualties reported
Guns lost 101

Allied ground losses:
1067 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

[general billy]

Netherland Declares war. A Dutch sub fires in anger on a Japanese Warship.

Cable message to the Empire of Japan.

Netherland cannot stand idle and watch the empire of Japan expand in south east asia. We are now in a state of war. STOP

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/02/22

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Sub attack near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
DD Mikazuki

Allied Ships
SS K-VI


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 154433 troops, 861 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 62788 troops, 362 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
597 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


Additional Comments:-Dutch submarines lay mines at Bataan

[general billy]

Japs bombard Manila

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/03/22

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ASW attack near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
DD Sakaki

Allied Ships
SS K-VI

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Naval bombardment of Manila, at 43,52 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
BB Tosa, Shell hits 10


Allied ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Sub attack near Bataan at 42,51

Japanese Ships
DD Nowaki
DD Sakaki

Allied Ships
SS K-VI


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 177348 troops, 891 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 62619 troops, 375 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
312 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44357 troops, 351 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 202254 troops, 892 guns, 56 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


Cable message from Empire of Japan to Dutch.

The Nation of japan wishes no harm on the dutch. And they have no wish to enter into conflict with them as they have no desire to expand into Java. STOP