OT - The New Coronavirus

[*Lava*]

Ya'll have seen this map right?

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

Look at the fine print:

Confirmed cases include presumptive positive cases

Definition of presumptive

1 : based on probability or presumption the presumptive nominee
2 : giving grounds for reasonable opinion or belief

So no, the numbers being reported are not facts. They are a best guess. All numbers reported are flawed due to the lack of testing, including confirmed cases and death.

Sorry, mate. But you really should change your language to say that the numbers you are using are based on presumption and steer well clear of calling those numbers facts. Especially since the folks generating those numbers do not call them facts either.

[*Lava*]

Are Coronavirus deaths being over recorded?

Young, healthy Florida man has died from COVID-19 after dying in a car accident

Evidence is beginning to mount that young and healthy people can contract COVID-19 and die from the horrifying disease. Florida health officials reported that a 32-year-old Daytona resident, Carl Junior, with no preexisting conditions has died from coronavirus after dying in a car accident.

“It’s true that most people who are at serious risk of dying from COVID-19 are those who are about to die from other diseases, but young and healthy people are dropping dead left and right too!” Florida coronavirus Czar Jed Goebbels said.

The Daytona man was not officially tested for coronavirus, but the doctor was pretty sure he had it and a coughing fit was what caused him to be hit from behind by an 18-wheeler semi truck.

“This just goes to show that everyone needs to be fearful on this disease, not just a subset of unhealthy old-timers,” Goebbels added. “Everyone needs to panic a little more.”

For information on how to panic more during this crisis, please read GT’s Guide on Panicking during the Coronavirus Pandemic.

The Florida Democratic Committee on Economic Destruction celebrated the news of the untimely death after forcing Governor DeSantis to enact stay at home orders last week.

“Deaths like this prove that we are correct in shutting down the economy in order to protect people from this awful disease.”

Genesus Times

[;)]

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Today's worldwide figures:



Those who say that Total Deaths and Total Recovered are "completely unrelated" are blind, deaf, and dumb. Together they make up the Total Resolved, and as such are obviously related.

The number I'm calculating is the only valid death rate we can derive that is based entirely on facts.

Everyone else is proffering opinions, beliefs, gut feelings, intuitions, etc. I'll pass.

Like a kidney stone, yours will pass as well.

[Curtis Lemay]

ORIGINAL: Lava

Ya'll have seen this map right?

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

Look at the fine print:

Confirmed cases include presumptive positive cases

Definition of presumptive

1 : based on probability or presumption the presumptive nominee
2 : giving grounds for reasonable opinion or belief

So no, the numbers being reported are not facts. They are a best guess. All numbers reported are flawed due to the lack of testing, including confirmed cases and death.

Sorry, mate. But you really should change your language to say that the numbers you are using are based on presumption and steer well clear of calling those numbers facts. Especially since the folks generating those numbers do not call them facts either.

I'm not using the "Confirmed cases". I'm just using the deaths and recoveries.

And your claim sounds like a conspiracy theory. I'm assuming the official figures are as close to reality as we can get at this time.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: Lava

Ya'll have seen this map right?

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

Look at the fine print:

Confirmed cases include presumptive positive cases

Definition of presumptive

1 : based on probability or presumption the presumptive nominee
2 : giving grounds for reasonable opinion or belief

So no, the numbers being reported are not facts. They are a best guess. All numbers reported are flawed due to the lack of testing, including confirmed cases and death.

Sorry, mate. But you really should change your language to say that the numbers you are using are based on presumption and steer well clear of calling those numbers facts. Especially since the folks generating those numbers do not call them facts either.

I'm not using the "Confirmed cases". I'm just using the deaths and recoveries.

And your claim sounds like a conspiracy theory. I'm assuming the official figures are as close to reality as we can get at this time.

When you step into the path of a truck going 80 mph and get splattered, when they do testing and find that you are positive for CoViD-19, then you will be marked as a CoViD-19 death. Of course, since you would be dead, I presume that you would not be able to include yourself in any chart.

[z1812]

@ warspite and lava, are you including presumptive cats and bikes, or only confirmed ones. What about ex-cats and broken bikes?

We have 2 actual bikes and no cats, but we may get may get one more bike or even a cat. Perhaps both.

I just want to be sure of my percentage calculations. Thanks in advance for any clarity you can provide. [:D] [;)]

[Red2112]

60 Ghz and Oxygen absorption...
https://ourgreaterdestiny.org/2020/02/5g-60-ghz-oxygen-absorption-you-and-coronavirus/

Interesting how Wuhan was the first city to test 5G.

Rub this on for awhile.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Today's worldwide figures:



Those who say that Total Deaths and Total Recovered are "completely unrelated" are blind, deaf, and dumb. Together they make up the Total Resolved, and as such are obviously related.

The number I'm calculating is the only valid death rate we can derive that is based entirely on facts.

Everyone else is proffering opinions, beliefs, gut feelings, intuitions, etc. I'll pass.

The validity of Curtis' metric is called into question because the # of Deaths can exceed the # of Recovered. In that case, his metric would say that >100% of cases are fatal.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: z1812

@ warspite and lava, are you including presumptive cats and bikes, or only confirmed ones. What about ex-cats and broken bikes?

We have 2 actual bikes and no cats, but we may get may get one more bike or even a cat. Perhaps both.

I just want to be sure of my percentage calculations. Thanks in advance for any clarity you can provide. [:D] [;)]

I've never petted an ex-cat. [X(]
Cats multiply; I have not observed this behavior in bikes.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

ORIGINAL: Zorch

My data points are 4 bikes, 1 cat. Are your conclusions still valid?

Maybe it's just me, but when did cats start riding bikes?
Do they keep spare bikes in case visitors come over?

Why did Warspite1's graph not include your cat? [&:]

Proving that his numbers must be flawed. I'm going to green button him! [:-]

Will Curtis get it? I'm going to green button him. [8|]

Cats and dogs living together, with bikes ... ahhhhhhhhh! I'm going to green button them too![:(]

RR

well, for various reasons we will always have at least 2 cats and 2 bikes in the house at any one time. The range up to 4 is variable.

So according to Curtis we have between 50-100% bike ownership among our cats?

Or, just maybe, the cat-bike ratio is arbitrary and perchance has some missing contextual data

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

... I'll pass.

thats nice, a bit like the kidney stone I've just got rid of?

[Curtis Lemay]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

The validity of Curtis' metric is called into question because the # of Deaths can exceed the # of Recovered. In that case, his metric would say that >100% of cases are fatal.

False. My figure is total deaths / total resolved. Total resolved = total deaths + total recovered.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: z1812

@ warspite and lava, are you including presumptive cats and bikes, or only confirmed ones. What about ex-cats and broken bikes?

We have 2 actual bikes and no cats, but we may get may get one more bike or even a cat. Perhaps both.

I just want to be sure of my percentage calculations. Thanks in advance for any clarity you can provide. [:D] [;)]

warspite1

Z1812 why do you have to complicate things with additional data points?? I've given you the facts for the UK. 0 Cats and 3 Bikes. Then loki had to complicate things by bring in more data and suggesting a time thingy - how the hell do I model that in excel? I've only got a little brain... [:(] And now you are bringing in more data to analyse. No this is not fair, it's not, it's not.

I'm sorry but I'm only dealing in facts (my facts are the facts and everything else is white noise and shall be disregarded).

In the United Kingdom at present there are 0 cats and 3 bikes and they all reside chez warspite.

Psst - could you work out some percentages to go with my pie chart please?

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: Zorch

The validity of Curtis' metric is called into question because the # of Deaths can exceed the # of Recovered. In that case, his metric would say that >100% of cases are fatal.

False. My figure is total deaths / total resolved. Total resolved = total deaths + total recovered.

I'm sorry - I misunderstood. But how can a metric that excludes total cases be meaningful?

[RangerJoe]

For you Lemay:

GT’s Definitive Guide to Panicking During the Coronavirus Pandemic

There has been a lot of confusion during the chaos of the coronavirus plague and pandemic. The CDC has said that the current outbreak of stupidity may be worse than coronavirus. Do not listen to them! We are hear to set the record straight and ensure that you reject all reason in this crucial time.

https://genesiustimes.com/gts-definitiv ... -pandemic/

If you look at the picture of the person wrapped up, you will notice that his mask does not cover his nose! [8|]

[Curtis Lemay]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: Zorch

The validity of Curtis' metric is called into question because the # of Deaths can exceed the # of Recovered. In that case, his metric would say that >100% of cases are fatal.

False. My figure is total deaths / total resolved. Total resolved = total deaths + total recovered.

I'm sorry - I misunderstood. But how can a metric that excludes total cases be meaningful?

How could a metric that includes total cases be anything but nonsense, since we don't know how they will resolve.

[RichG]

ORIGINAL: Red2112

60 Ghz and Oxygen absorption...
https://ourgreaterdestiny.org/2020/02/5g-60-ghz-oxygen-absorption-you-and-coronavirus/

Interesting how Wuhan was the first city to test 5G.

Rub this on for awhile.

Thanks for returning the laugh [:D]

https://fullfact.org/online/wuhan-5g-coronavirus/

[Curtis Lemay]

No Nihilists yet? Surely someone wants to assert that nothing is knowable?

[Lobster]

So I guess no one has died of the virus. They have all died of pneumonia and/or organ failure. My daughter says everyone they send home from the hospital on their feet is a victory. She also said the deaths vs recovered is far worse than they imagined it would be. My wife has contact dermatitis so we keep a good supply of nitrile gloves on hand. We sent them all to my daughter to help her out. So while you are all worried about how many have the virus total my daughter is only concerned about those who come to her hospital vs those that walk out. She said the ones not serious enough to be in a hospital are not what she is concerned about. Maybe she is simply delirious from lack of sleep and all of you are much more knowledgeable about what is going on than she.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

No Nihilists yet? Surely someone wants to assert that nothing is knowable?

Certainly you can know nothing. There was an entire group of know nothings but I won't go into more details here.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

So I guess no one has died of the virus. They have all died of pneumonia and/or organ failure. My daughter says everyone they send home from the hospital on their feet is a victory. She also said the deaths vs recovered is far worse than they imagined it would be. My wife has contact dermatitis so we keep a good supply of nitrile gloves on hand. We sent them all to my daughter to help her out. So while you are all worried about how many have the virus total my daughter is only concerned about those who come to her hospital vs those that walk out. She said the ones not serious enough to be in a hospital are not what she is concerned about. Maybe she is simply delirious from lack of sleep and all of you are much more knowledgeable about what is going on than she.

warspite1

So who are you attacking now? All of the thread? And for what? WTH??