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[Mgellis]

Just a thought...

In the same way that we now have a generic light and medium carrier (add sensors and weapons as desired, etc.), maybe it would make sense to have a few more generic ship types that could be customized by scenario designers as need be. Some possibilities...

* 500-ton fast attack craft/large patrol boat <-- designed primarily for coastal operations, reasonably fast (35-40 kts), moderate range

* 1,000-ton offshore patrol vessel/minesweeper <-- still pretty fast, although probably not as fast as the FAC, capable of longer patrols, helicopter pad (?)

* 2,000-ton corvette <-- intermediate vessel, capable of long blue water deployments, able to serve as a light escort, in surveillance missions, etc., hanger for one medium helicopter

* 4,000-ton frigate <-- a true blue water warship, optimized for ASW/surface warefare (?), hanger for two medium helicopters

* 8,000-ton destroyer <-- probably optimized for AA warfare, hanger for two medium helicopters

* 16,0000-ton cruiser <-- major multi-role surface combatant, hanger for two large helicopters

I'm sure there are other possibilities, but these were what popped into my head. Thoughts? Observations?

[goodwoodrw]

I can't find the C-17 Globemaster in the British OOB I'm sure 99 Sqn is a C17 sqn

[Pergite!]

I know that I have mentioned generic land units before. Both vehicles as well as formations of different types and sizes. As I understand it will then be possible to add weapons and vehicles from the db to create suitable units, regardless of nation and time period.

This would IMO solve all future requests of this and that SOF or armour units for country A or B etc.

[orca]

I like the idea.

Would also like :
*12,000-ton cruiser (I want to create china type 055)

*7,000-ton SSN (several versions with varying acoustic signatures)

*2,000 and 4,000 ton SS (several versions with varying acoustic signatures)

[Mgellis]

Another idea...

I'm not sure if this should be an aircraft or an SSM weapon...

Small Unit Space Transport and Insertion (SUSTAIN) Spaceplane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSTAIN_%28military%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/10/19 ... pots-fast/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/ms-1.htm
http://www.space.com/25204-military-spa ... udget.html

[Mgellis]

C Sword 90 Corvette

http://cmn-group.com/products-and-servi ... -sword-90/

(This might be a good model for the generic corvette requested above. The stats for the hull are mostly here...now just add sensors, weapons, etc. In fact, the entire "catalog"...

http://cmn-group.com/products-and-servi ... y-vessels/

...might be useful in that regard for working up some generic, ready-to-customize platforms).

[scottb613]

Hi Folks,

Two things...

1) Aircraft Record 631 - MC-130W Combat Spear - I think was supposed to be a gun ship but it has no weapons defined...

2) Nigerian F-7 Airguard used in Feltan's African Skies has no DB record - working on images and descriptions for scenario - request platform record added...

Thanks !

Regards,
Scott

[Pergite!]

ORIGINAL: scottb613

Hi Folks,

Two things...

1) Aircraft Record 631 - MC-130W Combat Spear - I think was supposed to be a gun ship but it has no weapons defined...

2) Nigerian F-7 Airguard used in Feltan's African Skies has no DB record - working on images and descriptions for scenario - request platform record added...

Thanks !

Regards,
Scott

MC-130W Combat Spear has no weapons. The MC-130W Dragon Spear however has plenty of weapons. They share the same designation tough.

[Hydrolek]

The Naval Strike Missile (NSM) is an anti-ship / >>>>>land attack<<<<< cruise missile developed by Norway based Kongsberg Defence Systems. NSM is a successor to the Penguin anti-ship missile and is the only fifth generation long-range precision strike missile in the world.

[CV60]

I have a question on DB3000 Weapon_1174, the AS-21 Yakhont-Is this intended to represent the 3M55 Yakhont, aka P-800 Oniks? I'm trying to write a description for it, and am having trouble ID'ing exactly what missile this represents.

[ClaudeJ]

Hi community,

here are some suggestions regarding KC-135 entries.

First and foremost, please note that everything below comes from books or websites, I have no first hand experience in the air, I did my best to double check things though.
So what you do have here is nothing more than pure research, nor nothing less. In other words, I've done my homework but it's all from public sources.

Sources:
- Boeing Kc-135 Stratotanker: More Than Just a Tanker (Aerofax Series, 1998), Robert S. Hopkins III, ISBN: 978-1857800692
- Jane's Aircraft Upgrades 2002-2003
- Flight International 14, November 1990
- International Air Power Review, Vol. 10, January 2003
- Allied Tactical Publication – 56(B) - Air to Air Refuelling, August 2011
- http://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/
- http://groupe-bretagne.fr/
- http://www.ervc135-amicale.fr/
- http://boeing.mediaroom.com/
- http://www.peetz.us/kc135.htm

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[*]#1852 - KC-135A Stratotanker -- United States (Air Force), 1958-1993
Take-off/Landing Distance: should be 2601-3200m TOD/LAD (actual take-off run is 2760 m long).
Max Weight: should be 136800 kg.
Crew: should be 4 (pilot, co-pilot, boom operator, navigator).
Fuel Quantity: should be 88452 kg.


[*]#1857 - KC-135F Stratotanker -- France (Air Force), 1965-1988
Name: is C-135F (the logic behind it would be that with its reinforced floor, it qualifies as Cargo and Transport aircraft too).
Date: First delivered C-135F came in February 1964, the last one in October 1964.
Take-off/Landing Distance: should be 2601-3200m TOD/LAD (actual take-off run is 2760 m long).
Max Weight: should be 136800 kg.
Crew: should be 4 (pilot, co-pilot, boom operator, navigator).
Sensors: should be a #2678 - AN/APN-59.
Stores: should add "Cargo [No Drop, 32 tons]", "Passenger" along the Tanker one, Cargo [No Drop, 19 tons], or 126 passengers, or a Medevac.
Loadout: should add "Cargo, 32 tons", "Passenger" along the Tanker one, Cargo [No Drop, 19 tons], "Passengers, 126x", or a Medevac.
Fuel Quantity: should be 81845 kg. (upper deck tank is not fitted, 6607 Kg less)
Note: #376 - Adelie -- KC-135F/FR
"Adèle" (not Adèlie), by Dassault Electronique "is a Radar Warning Receiver installed from 1990 on a single airframe that may have been deployed during Desert Storm". Examination of C-135F pictures led me to the conclusion that Adèle haven't been anymore since.


[*]#782 - KC-135FR Stratotanker -- France (Air Force), 1985-0
Name: is C-135FR (R for "Remotorisé")
Date: 1985-1994 (please see new entry proposal below).
Take-off/Landing Distance: should be 2601-3200m TOD/LAD (actual take-off run is 2760 m long).
Crew: should be 4 (pilot, co-pilot, boom operator, navigator).
Sensors: should be a #2678 - AN/APN-59, see abive about Adèle.
Stores: should add "Cargo [No Drop, 32 tons]", "Passenger" and "Casualty" along the Tanker one.
Loadout: should add "Cargo, 32 tons", "Passenger" along the Tanker one, Cargo [No Drop, 19 tons], "Passengers, 126x", or a Medevac.
Military Static Thrust at S/L: should be 10044 kg per engine.
Fuel Quantity: should be 85604 kg. (upper deck tank is not fitted, 6607 Kg less)

[*]#159 - KC-135E Stratotanker -- United States (Air Force), 1982-2006
Max Weight: should be 136800 kg.
Crew: should be 4 (pilot, co-pilot, boom operator, navigator).
Military Static Thrust at S/L: should be 8219 kg per engine.
Fuel Quantity: should be 88452 kg.


[*]#1320 - KC-135Q Stratotanker -- United States (Air Force), 1966-1995, SR-71 JP-7
Take-off/Landing Distance: should be 2601-3200m TOD/LAD (actual take-off run is 2760 m long).
Max Weight: should be 136800 kg.
Crew: should be 4 (pilot, co-pilot, boom operator, navigator).
Fuel Quantity: should be 83684 kg. ("The KC-135Q can simultaneously carry a maximum of 33,788kg of JP-7 and 49,896kg of standard JP-4.")


[*]#1692 - KC-135R Stratotanker -- United States (Air Force), 1984-0
Military Static Thrust at S/L: should be 10044 kg per engine.
Fuel Quantity: should be 92211 kg.


[*]#1984 - KC-135R Stratotanker -- United States (Air Force), 1997-0
Military Static Thrust at S/L: should be 10044 kg per engine.
Fuel Quantity: should be 92211 kg.
Loadout: should have a Tanker [Wing Drogue & Centerline Boom]


[*]#1854 - KC-135R Stratotanker -- Singapore (Air Force), 2000-0
Military Static Thrust at S/L: should be 10044 kg per engine.
Fuel Quantity: should be 92211 kg.
Loadout: should have a Tanker [Wing Drogue & Centerline Boom]


[*]#1853 - KC-135R Stratotanker -- Turkey (Air Force), 1999-0
Military Static Thrust at S/L: should be 10044 kg per engine.
Fuel Quantity: should be 92211 kg.
Note: to the best of my knowledge, they have no Wing Drogue capacity.


[*]#808 - KC-135T Stratotanker -- United States (Air Force), 1995-0, Special Fuel
Military Static Thrust at S/L: should be 10044 kg per engine.
Fuel Quantity: should be 92211 kg.
Note: Jane's Aircraft Upgrades claim that it's the "Only KC-135s capable of receiving fuel" but I haven't found any other source to support that statement.

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New platforms proposal:

[*]#### - KC-135E Stratotanker -- Chile (Air Force), 2010-0
Chile bought 3 of them (57-1501, 58-0014 and probably 57-2594). First delivered in February 2010, second in August 2011 and third in March 2012.

[*]#### - C-135FR Stratotanker -- France (Air Force), 1994-0
Loadout: should have a Tanker [Wing Drogue & Centerline Boom]
Properties: add Wing Drogue
Otherwise, copy #782 (with suggested changes above)

[*]#### - KC-135R Stratotanker -- France (Air Force), 1997-0
3 acquired (497, 525, 574), first delivered in June 1997. Copy #1692 - KC-135R (with suggested changes above).


Hope it helps.

[Dutchie999]

ORIGINAL: Hydrolek


The Naval Strike Missile (NSM) is an anti-ship / >>>>>land attack<<<<< cruise missile developed by Norway based Kongsberg Defence Systems. NSM is a successor to the Penguin anti-ship missile and is the only fifth generation long-range precision strike missile in the world.

If I may ask you. What do you mean with 5th generation long range precision strike missile?

[tommo8993]

New Platform request
Royal navy Heli-AEW
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... t-carriers

[Hydrolek]

ORIGINAL: Dutchie999

ORIGINAL: Hydrolek


The Naval Strike Missile (NSM) is an anti-ship / >>>>>land attack<<<<< cruise missile developed by Norway based Kongsberg Defence Systems. NSM is a successor to the Penguin anti-ship missile and is the only fifth generation long-range precision strike missile in the world.

If I may ask you. What do you mean with 5th generation long range precision strike missile?

The Naval Strike Missile (NSM) is an anti-ship / land attack cruise missile developed by Norway based Kongsberg Defence Systems. NSM is a successor to the Penguin anti-ship missile and is the only fifth generation long-range precision strike missile in the world.
NSM is currently under series production for the Royal Norwegian Navy (RNoN) and the Polish Navy. Nato and other countries have also expressed their interest in the missile.
Orders and deliveries for the anti-ship / land attack cruise missile

"In 2007 Kongsberg and Lockheed Martin signed a joint marketing agreement for the Joint Strike Missile, an aircraft-version of the NSM."
In June 2007 Kongsberg signed a NOK 2.7bn ($474m) contract with the Norwegian Defence Logistics Organisation (NDLO) for serial production of the NSM. The agreement also included the transition contract of NOK 200m ($34.5m).
NSM is being deployed on Norway's Fridtjof Nansen Class frigates and Skjold Class missile fast patrol boats. Production is scheduled to be completed by 2014.
In December 2010, the Polish Ministry of Defence placed a NOK 660m ($114m) contract with Kongsberg for the NSM and logistics equipment. It is an extension to the base contract signed for the NSM in December 2008.
The request for additional NSMs, bringing the total contract value to NOK 712m ($123m), was approved in December 2011.
Development and testing of the Naval Strike Missile (NSM)

The Naval Strike Missile was developed to meet the requirements of the Royal Norwegian Navy to arm its new frigates and coastal corvettes. NSM was also selected by the Polish Navy for use on its coastal defence installations.
Kongsberg and NDLO signed the NSM development contract in 1996. The first development test of NSM was successfully completed in June 2004. In July 2006 Kongsberg conducted a test firing, which enabled the RNoN's final approval of the development phase.
In January 2007 Kongsberg and Lockheed Martin signed a joint marketing agreement for the Joint Strike Missile (JSM), an aircraft-version of the NSM. The JSM will be incorporated in Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter.
Serial production of the NSM began in June 2007. A test conducted in April 2008 was unsuccessful due to malfunction of booster. The first series produced NSM was successfully test-fired against a sea target by RNoN and Kongsberg at the US Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division's Point Mugu range in June 2011. The first ever test against a land target was conducted in the same month.
Naval Strike Missile design and capabilities

The stealth design of the NSM allows the anti-ship missile to penetrate into shipboard defences. The NSM is effectively used in littoral and open sea environments. The airframe design and the high thrust-to-weight ratio enhance the manoeuvrability of the missile.
"NSM is currently under series production for the Royal Norwegian Navy (RNoN) and the Polish Navy. Nato and other countries have expressed interest."
The missile has a length of 3.96m. It can carry a 125kg HE fragmentation warhead for a maximum range of more than 185km. The launch weight of the missile is 407kg. The NSM based Coastal Defence System (CDS) includes a fire distribution centre (FDC), sea surveillance and tracking radar and an NSM launcher fire unit.
The NSM can be fired from a range of platforms against a variety of targets. The passive homing missile travels in sea-skimming mode and can make advanced terminal manoeuvres in the terminal phase, to survive enemy air defences.
The missile, using GPS-aided mid-course guidance with a dual-band imaging infrared (IIR) seeker, detects and discriminates the targets. Autonomous target recognition (ATR) of the seeker ensures accurate detection and striking of sea or land based targets. A programmable fuse is used to detonate the missile's warhead.
Propulsion of Kongsberg Defence Systems' NSM

The NSM is launched into the air by a solid rocket booster which is jettisoned upon ignition. The Microturbo TRI-40 turbojet engine propels the missile towards its target with high subsonic speed.
The TRI-40 is a single spool turbojet engine consisting of a four-stage axial compressor, annular smokeless combustor and a single-stage turbine. It delivers a maximum thrust of 2.5-3.3kN. The engine can be run on JP8 or JP10 fuel.

[Broncepulido]

About the Soviet/Russian designations debate, here a inverse table on Wikipedia between Russian and NATO designations, on inverse direction of the usual: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0 ... 0%A2%D0%9E

[cuthbo2001]

Rag, buddy, Pal what has a man got to do to get you to change united kingdom (Royal Army) to British army. I know it is a small thing but honestly I am thinking of starting a revolution, over throwing the Queen (God bless her)and starting a republic.Now that would be really inconvenient not to mention I would have to get some time off work! So please!

[Vici Supreme]

Hey there!

Platforms #1838 DD 177 Atago [Improved Kongo] and #1748 '' should both have their 127mm/54 OTO Melara Compact replaced with a 127mm/62 Mk45 Mod 4 naval artillery as well as having both CWIS upgraded to Block 1B. Check imagery if necessary.

Regards

[orca]

Towed array sonar variant of china type 56

http://www.janes.com/article/45600/plan ... 6-corvette

[Vici Supreme]

If you find the time please add these suggestions to the DB.

MCH-101 Airborne Mine Countermeasures Helicopter of the JMSDF
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/japans-mch-101-all-your-mine-are-belong-to-us-07598/
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/mch-101-mine-countermeasures-helicopter-japan/

MH-53E Sea Dragon Airborne Mine Countermeasures Helicopter of the JMSDF
http://www.mod.go.jp/msdf/formal/gallery/aircraft/yusou/details/mh-53e.html
http://rightwing.sakura.ne.jp/equipment/jmsdf/aviation/mh-53e/mh-53e.html

Thanks!

Supreme

[DeSade]

2 small updates:

1. YJ-83 (C802A, #541) and YJ-83K (C802AK, #2137) have incorrect export version designations (C803) and should have slightly larger warhead comparing to older YJ-8, YJ-81 and YJ-82 (190kg HE). Now all sharing the same 165kg warhead.

source is for example Ch. Carslon monograph:

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... mily-tree/

2. #4182 - Generic 3D Air Search Radar [Long-Range] (for example Y-9 Cub) is way too precise - detects all kind of targets virtually without any uncertainty zone (tested vs AN/APS-145 on E2-K. Test save attached