ALLIED ONLY: aztez (A) vs erstad (J) ...2nd ROUND

[Rob Brennan UK]

ORIGINAL: Yamato_Blitzer

As you can see aztez, We're here to do you the favor of not getting your hopes up in certain aspects.[:D]

Only certain aspects ? [:-]

[Rob Brennan UK]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

ORIGINAL: Yamato_Blitzer

As you can see aztez, We're here to do you the favor of not getting your hopes up in certain aspects.[:D]

Only certain aspects ? [:-]

LoBaron - Please Don't get me started on THAT piece of celluloid trash [:D]

[offenseman]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK



LoBaron - Please Don't get me started on THAT piece of celluloid trash [:D]

My wife honored me by asking what was wrong with that celluloid piece of trash from a history standpoint and I was able to vent sufficiently. I felt so much better.

Back to the thread... Aztez doesn't have much to look forward to yet as it looks so grim. But that can change against Japan quickly.

Aztez i'd take every US sub you have and send them against the shipping lanes from Hokkaido and Shikoku to Honshu. That can be most inconvenient for Japan... You don't have to get a lot of hits with those bad torpedoes to do damage up there. Heck, I'd even consider a quick CV raid on Sapporo's port from the NE. No kidding, I'd do it. And don't forget to raid the resource convoys on the way back to the West Coast.

[Yamato_Blitzer]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

ORIGINAL: Yamato_Blitzer

As you can see aztez, We're here to do you the favor of not getting your hopes up in certain aspects.[:D]

Only certain aspects ? [:-]

well of course, that's what I meant. Just a little half-assed joke. You really do him a favor in pointing out why he shouldn't get his hopes up with certain things, neutralizes alot of future disappointment.

[Graymane]

Well, look on the bright side, at least aztez doesn't have to take too long figuring out where to send new units with so few bases to choose from [:)]

[Sardaukar]

ORIGINAL: Graymane

Well, look on the bright side, at least aztez doesn't have to take too long figuring out where to send new units with so few bases to choose from [:)]

[:D] [:D][:D]

Anyway, things do get better for Allies in late 1942, so no matter what Japanese player does, there should be room for some counter-offensives.

[Rob Brennan UK]

Now im beiginning to feel guilty for egging this on [:D]

So lets begin :- to the turn of the captains wifes lament,, if you dont know it ,i reccomend NOT finding it on YT, as im likely to get banned if i link it [;)]

The boat pulled into harbour
After 15 months at sea
Aztez hit the tavern with his crew of 53
After drinking up thier pay, they staggered through the town
But all the Inns and public houses turned the sailors down.

The captain said "fear not me lads"
You all can come with me,
I'm off to go beat up Japan
and the forums viewed for free !

<insert your own words> , but at the end Aztez wins a masterful victory and marches victorious into Tokyo in 1943 (has to be '43 as other dates don't rhyme[;)])

So we have a happy ending !!

Long Live emperor Aztez.

[aztez]

Hi guys,

Things are progressing with minimal action reported from all frontiers.

There is no point of doing daily updates with this "peace" time era. This is very similar to what happened in most of the PBEM's in classic witp where allied have taken rough beating early on.

If you want to see some aspects of war/game feel free to ask though.

Maybe the biggest thing would be to revise the allied submarine campaign. We are not aggressive enough since it seems Dave is routing his transport convoys out of the harms way. This should be stopped anc changed as soon as possible.

We haven't upgraded into 2nd patch yet so ceasefire is in place at china. Dave had some supply issues with the 2nd patch so we will wait few more days at least.

On an sidenote I bought and DVD series named "March to Victory: Road to Tokyo". The box contains 6 DVD's of action so that should satisfy things for now.


Rob: RAF has been heavily involved so far that why they have so much kills. Allthough I have had withdraw them lately. Those squadrons are fullfilled now but need desperately more replacements.

Yeah, the pools are not an eye candy for allied side. Need to get them up before committing into major actions. Things have been slow in terms of action and I guess we both are building up forces.

I like the song but 1943 Tokyo idea might be one of those you get at 4am when nightclubs are closing! Very dangerous moves there in many ways... [:D]

LoBaron: Capt. Afflect = No comments! [:D]

Yamato_Blitzer: Agreed, it is good to keep feet on the ground! Allthough I think there might some major disasters forthcoming! [;)]

offenseman: I was forced to watch the same "historical" movie with my better half. So, I know the feeling... [8|]

I think the idea about shuffling submarines into more aggressive routes is worth the effort. We are not getting enough hits only downside will be the furious ASW that is propably launched via sea and airpower. At least worth the effort. It will become obvious soon enough whether or not we can pull that off.

The CV part of the prosed plan is still somewhat dangerous due to good health of KB.

Graymane: That is one way of looking the map. There really is plenty to choose from!

I think one way of decieding things would be to close the eyes and just point somewhere in the map. It is doubtful we control that area anyways! [:D]

Sardaukar: That is true allthough late 1942 is not the time push forward an all fronts for sure. Risks are way too big if you compare it to actual firepower available.

We might do some adventrorous moves though. I have released extra US Division from west coast few weeks back. That unit is currently at Pearl Harbour and no B.Afflect hasn't entered the map yet... [:D]

[Grollub]

As I said in another thread concerning TMTSNBM (TheMovieThatShallNeverBeMentioned);

I thought about using the editor to add the pilot 'Rafe McCawley' and creating a recce sqn with him as the sole pilot.

Mission; Fly a Stearman-75 out of Nome, Alaska with an inland search arc. We seriously need an accurate (daily) reindeer count to be able to conduct this war effort properly ...

It would entertain me quite a bit ... [;)]

Edited: Language.

[aztez]

Grollub: Welcome. Good to see more fellow scandinavians in these boards.

Yeah, that "movie" has no name! [:D] ...as for editing data well we definately would need some Hollywood stars to get things sorted here.

The reindeers would propably sunk more ships than my pilots at the moment too. [:D]

[aztez]

I decieded to post few more maps regarding potential future operations.

There has been already the initial plans for possible invasion of Marshall Islands layed out earlier.

Here are two more. The common factor is that all of these operations will most likely see KB in action with full force.

Another common factor is the scale of these invasions. We need to go in with substantial force with adequate supporting elements.

Every assault in the Pacific needs to be supported by SEAC forces. Once we commit to operations allied needs to launch overwhelming assaults in Burma and if possible in 3rd theatre too.

Here are the maps with some thoughts. Keep in mind that all of these are just sketches are by no means given green light.

[aztez]

...and the 3rd potential assault plan.

There are few more of these brewing in my mind but more about them later on. We are in no rush to commit into large scale offensive actions.

[LoBaron]

Hm...the Kuriles. [:D]

I think this could be an interesting operation because of several facors.

- you could (though it probably takes a bit time) force the Japanese AF into a war of attrition because there are some airbases
capable of supporting heavy bombers to the home islands and as a Japanese player id like to avoid this at all costs, more so thsi early in the war.

- exactly because of this youd probably force a heavy naval reaction including CV´s to counter the invasion. Well planned this could turn the war.

- you relieve the attention from northern Australia and India and stage a slower counter there.
Can you bring intel up there? At least sub to not make it too obvious?



- If points 2 and 3 do not happen, even better. Id get every SeaBee in range and any other guy with at least a shovel up there and build your bomber
bases. Its a high supply cost operation though if you want to make something out of it. How safe are the Aleuthians? Can you build them up so you
can ship in supplies in two step ops from the Wcoast?

Good idea, risky but with good results a real turner.

I wonder if its worth to include Urrupu-Jima in your plans. Maybe in excange to the dot base SW of Onnekotan. Closer and a potential lvl 3.
Fighters so close to japan and a few light bombers would be bad news to Hokkaido...

[Rob Brennan UK]

Kuriles .. humm

I've perused the map and while a lot of those islands (and 1 good dot base) have potential level 3-4 airfields (i.e 6-7 maxed) the ports stink. not one is bigger than a size 1 !
Most of the airfields will be starting at 0 too unless japans building them (unlikely bar parumashiro). and apart from the 2 northern most and the next dot base all are in easy sweep range of Hokkaido which starts with airfields built upto level 4 and closest can be pushed to an 8 so you will be facing serious japanese landbased air too. Its also very likely that KB will be in japan unless you see it elsewhere too so quick reaction range as well. On top of that i would put good money hes got or will soon have long range patrol planes covering the seas approaching so you may well be spotted early. I would avoid this untill your carriers can face both KB and land based air ( given leaky CAP the betties/nells while taking horrific losses could cause some serious harm while he has good pilots). Not to mention its withing 15 hexes of the mainland i.e Kamikazi activation. Is there a date limit like in WitP ?? not sure.

However not to pour doom and gloom over everything . Operation bulldozer has a lot more going for it. He doesnt have that many large air fields in range either (suva being the exception and its still too far for zero sweeps or escorted bombers) and if KBs in Japan thats several days delay and he'll have to refuel along the way too adding more time.Also recon flights are possible, cats might reach and wouldnt be that out of the ordinary to trigger an immediate response. Cats over the Kuriles would set alarm bells off in Rangoon [:D]. esp if you spend a few days over canton/baker etc.

With a rough head count of defenders you will have at least some recon here (vs nil in the aleutians) and maybe most importantly NZ to run to if it all goes down the toilet.
get enough men/eng/everything and head for a non atoll .. flatten it ! while small regimental units tried atoll asaults (he cant be strong on every island). and then reinforce what you got easily. retire to regounp/run away. then either he bases KB here for the rest of the war or you go back in a month and mop up the rest. start prepping now for a possible nov/dec 42 attack. maybe even build up the aleutians as a diversion.

As a strategic plan ,, take this stepping stone(pago) then drive north Phoenix/gilbers/marshalls then West .. and all of a sudden noumea/rabaul(poss) and Fiji are left hanging wide open and sompletely unsupplied. If he hasnt evacuated them then leave them alone for 6 months if he does then follow closely up behind him taking bases easily. Apart from the initial land grab you'll also have LBA support (even if only LR bombers in some cases) all the way.

Additionally by late 42 you should have better pools if nothing else(at least US stuff) while the RAF battle it out over india/burma.

<sing>

Oh Aztez has been fighting hard
Of that we all argee
But will he get to Tokyo
Before 1963 ? [:D]

<i will never sing again , i promise>

anyway that just my advice , feel free to shred/delete/use as toilet paper anything you disagree with.

PS .. 1'st disgreement with LoBaron here [;)]

I wonder if its worth to include Urrupu-Jima in your plans. Maybe in excange to the dot base SW of Onnekotan. Closer and a potential lvl 3.

suicide , utter madnees , lunacy (cough) .. made my point

Well planned this could turn the war.

For either side ! its way too risky imo. Aztez loses in the kuriles and he's not going anywhere in the pacific untill 44. Granted if it worked perfectly then 'maybe' just 'maybe' it might stay alive long enough to hurt japan, but you cant unload many supplies on a level 1 port and whats to cover all the endless convoyes needed going to and fro up here .. not to mention WINTER ! ..

the only way this could imo work is if Aztez somehow manages to sink KB and the japanese surface fleet. Look at the supply chain , those ports cant rearm a fishing boat let alone a destroyer. so back to dutch harbour for 4 inch shells ? (ok an AKE would sort this but whos supplying the AKE with supplies? ). everything would have to be taken along as amphibious cargo and allied AK's esp xAK's take forever unloading supply on that mission type.

ok ,, end PS rant ..and no singing [;)]

[offenseman]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Not to mention its withing 15 hexes of the mainland i.e Kamikazi activation. Is there a date limit like in WitP ?? not sure.

In a game vs. Allied AI, the AI took Erotufu in May-42 which is a handful of hexes from Hokkaido and while I did not check to see if any of my units were now kamikaze capable, I cannot imagine the AI would do anything to enable kamikazes that early. I wish I had taken a look at that...

Good points regarding the rest of Rob's commentary- even the singing. [;)]

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Kuriles .. humm

I've perused the map and while a lot of those islands (and 1 good dot base) have potential level 3-4 airfields (i.e 6-7 maxed) the ports stink. not one is bigger than a size 1 !
Most of the airfields will be starting at 0 too unless japans building them (unlikely bar parumashiro). and apart from the 2 northern most and the next dot base all are in easy sweep range of Hokkaido which starts with airfields built upto level 4 and closest can be pushed to an 8 so you will be facing serious japanese landbased air too. Its also very likely that KB will be in japan unless you see it elsewhere too so quick reaction range as well. On top of that i would put good money hes got or will soon have long range patrol planes covering the seas approaching so you may well be spotted early. I would avoid this untill your carriers can face both KB and land based air ( given leaky CAP the betties/nells while taking horrific losses could cause some serious harm while he has good pilots). Not to mention its withing 15 hexes of the mainland i.e Kamikazi activation. Is there a date limit like in WitP ?? not sure.

However not to pour doom and gloom over everything . Operation bulldozer has a lot more going for it. He doesnt have that many large air fields in range either (suva being the exception and its still too far for zero sweeps or escorted bombers) and if KBs in Japan thats several days delay and he'll have to refuel along the way too adding more time.Also recon flights are possible, cats might reach and wouldnt be that out of the ordinary to trigger an immediate response. Cats over the Kuriles would set alarm bells off in Rangoon [:D]. esp if you spend a few days over canton/baker etc.

With a rough head count of defenders you will have at least some recon here (vs nil in the aleutians) and maybe most importantly NZ to run to if it all goes down the toilet.
get enough men/eng/everything and head for a non atoll .. flatten it ! while small regimental units tried atoll asaults (he cant be strong on every island). and then reinforce what you got easily. retire to regounp/run away. then either he bases KB here for the rest of the war or you go back in a month and mop up the rest. start prepping now for a possible nov/dec 42 attack. maybe even build up the aleutians as a diversion.

As a strategic plan ,, take this stepping stone(pago) then drive north Phoenix/gilbers/marshalls then West .. and all of a sudden noumea/rabaul(poss) and Fiji are left hanging wide open and sompletely unsupplied. If he hasnt evacuated them then leave them alone for 6 months if he does then follow closely up behind him taking bases easily. Apart from the initial land grab you'll also have LBA support (even if only LR bombers in some cases) all the way.

Additionally by late 42 you should have better pools if nothing else(at least US stuff) while the RAF battle it out over india/burma.

<sing>

Oh Aztez has been fighting hard
Of that we all argee
But will he get to Tokyo
Before 1963 ? [:D]

<i will never sing again , i promise>

anyway that just my advice , feel free to shred/delete/use as toilet paper anything you disagree with.

PS .. 1'st disgreement with LoBaron here [;)]

I wonder if its worth to include Urrupu-Jima in your plans. Maybe in excange to the dot base SW of Onnekotan. Closer and a potential lvl 3.

suicide , utter madnees , lunacy (cough) .. made my point

Well planned this could turn the war.

For either side ! its way too risky imo. Aztez loses in the kuriles and he's not going anywhere in the pacific untill 44. Granted if it worked perfectly then 'maybe' just 'maybe' it might stay alive long enough to hurt japan, but you cant unload many supplies on a level 1 port and whats to cover all the endless convoyes needed going to and fro up here .. not to mention WINTER ! ..

the only way this could imo work is if Aztez somehow manages to sink KB and the japanese surface fleet. Look at the supply chain , those ports cant rearm a fishing boat let alone a destroyer. so back to dutch harbour for 4 inch shells ? (ok an AKE would sort this but whos supplying the AKE with supplies? ). everything would have to be taken along as amphibious cargo and allied AK's esp xAK's take forever unloading supply on that mission type.

ok ,, end PS rant ..and no singing [;)]

Damn Rob you outthought me on this. [:'(]
Good points there, and I admit I didn´t look at harbour size.
Must-stop-posting-on-complex-issues-after-beer-before-going-to-bed. *sigh*

Might still be an interesting option for a diversion for other operations though?

[Sardaukar]

One thing with Kuriles-invasion is that it releases the Kamikaze-option to Japanese in 1/1/1944, by owning base within 20 hexes from Tokyo. Not sure if that is necessarily a good idea.

[ADB123]

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

One thing with Kuriles-invasion is that it releases the Kamikaze-option to Japanese in 1/1/1944, by owning base within 20 hexes from Tokyo. Not sure if that is necessarily a good idea.

As long as Kamikazes are affected by winter weather that might not be a bad trade-off.

[Sardaukar]

I think after that Japan can convert Kamikazes everywhere..which may make other naval operations in other areas painful. Especially if kamikazes still remain as overpowered as before Patch 2. I don't know if anyone tested them after patch 2.

[Rob Brennan UK]

Must-stop-posting-on-complex-issues-after-beer-before-going-to-bed. *sigh*

Best time to post ! .. its why i rant [;)]

Sardukars point on Kamis , yes they will be active everywhere from 1/44 (unless they trigger early ?? ) I'm yet to be convinced Kamis are overpowered in AE, but they arent the sham that you could ignore in WitP either.