Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[ClaudeJ]

Some more details regarding THE french missile. Some corrections are trivial but, well, accuracy can't hurt.

Source:
- "Mirage IV, Le bombardier stratégique" (2003), Hervé Beaumont, ISBN: 2-914205-02-3. (much more comprehensive than my other source, same author though, much more expensive too.)

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[*]#55 - ASMP [300kT Nuclear] -- 1987
Diameter: 0.35 (was 0.38 m)
Weight: 830 (was 860 kg)
Surface Max Range: 43nm (80km) low alt, 216nm (400km) high alt (Aéropostiale claims 80-100 km at "low altitude" and "400-450 km" at "high altitude). Confirmed.
LaunchSpeedMin: 250 kt.
LaunchSpeedMax: 600 kt.
LaunchAltitudeMin: 500 ft/152.4 m(was 60.96 m).
LaunchAltitudeMax: 10 000 ft/3048 m (was 19812 m).

Hope it helps.

[mikmykWS]

Logged up until this point. Thanks guys!

Mike

[xavierv]

@ Jan Masterson

Nice job/analysis so far.

Could you, down the road or when you get a chance, do the same about the various Rafale configurations ? Because if i can remember corrently some of the available loadouts included BAT and other old phased out weapons which is not accurate (as far as I know.

[schroedi]

Addition to Mig-29.
#1185 Mig-29 UPG has probe refueling probe,
It has seven hardpoints, ubt some loadouts seem to have nine.

Addition to Mirage 2000 D/N.
France upgraded them to use Mica IR instead of Magic2
Maybe France even uses the Mica IR for their Mirage 2000C instead of the Magic2, but I don't know it exactly.

German Tornados use IRIS-T, with ASSTA 3.1 ECR Tornados can use all IDS weapons because they are technically the same except hardware stuffe like guns ETS.

German F-4F ICE and greek F-4E Peace Icarus 2000 can use IRIS-T

OV-10 Broncos should be "carrier capable", the USMC used them from Tarawa style ships OV-10 OV-10

Eurofighter Tyhphoons have 13 hardpoints, but there are no loadouts using them in any plane from any country

Rafale is not using all it's hardpoints as well (except in one A/A loadout)

Su-33 has 10 hardpoints, but there is no loadout using all 10 hardpionts, it also can use R-27T/ET. What is with R-27EM, I thought it was specifically designed for the Su-33 to hunt cruise missles. It is ingame but no plane uses it.

Su-34 has 10 hardponits, but there is no loadout using all 10 hardpionts

PL-10 A/A missle is a bit weird, since there are two comlete different chinese missles with this name a Aspide copy (not ingame) and a short range IR missle (already in game), the Aspide PL-10 entered serice in 1994 and was used with J-8B and later versions. The J-10 used it, too.PL-10

Embraer KC-390 is missing

Yak-130 is missing

Type 212 and 214 submarines should have their diving depth corrected. 250m is the official depth of the company the make them HDW. The destruction depth is somewhere at 700m or beyond.
The Aip range for the 212 (and maybe the 214,too) should be extended. German U32 traveled from Eckernförde, Germany at the Baltic Sea to Rota, Spain submerged while only running on hydrogen (AIP) for 14 days. In Feb. 2013 the same submarine went from Eckerförde, Germany to Mayport, Florida in the US again constantly submerged without snorkeling for 18 days, they traveled about 4600nm on AIP.

B-1B is to fast. Ingame it reaches 950kt (Mach 1.66) but in reality it's maximum speed is about Mach 1.2 clean

F-217 of the german Brandenburg class is differnt than the other ships of it's class because it as a towed array sonar. It is a TASS-6-3 or FDSQS-30A LFTAS, I don't know exactly.

#2512 Baden Wuerttemberg class can use the new Vulcan ammunition for it's Oto Melara 127/64 gun system. There are different variants for different missions Vulcano ammunition

[ClaudeJ]

Hello schroedi,

ORIGINAL: schroedi
(...)Addition to Mirage 2000 D/N. France upgraded them to use Mica IR instead of Magic2

As far as I know from my recent research, the 2000N will never have anything but Magic 2 and the D may be equipped with Mica when it will be upgraded, nothing is done nor even set yet.

Would you have a link or a reference to your sources please?

Maybe France even uses the Mica IR for their Mirage 2000C instead of the Magic2, but I don't know it exactly.

Check Mirage 2000-5F entries #12 and #20, they have it.

Rafale is not using all it's hardpoints as well (except in one A/A loadout)

As far as I know, front left hardpoint (#9 on the pic below) is not operational, nor is "central forward" point (#7):
http://kovy.free.fr/divers/rafaleemport.gif

Would you have a source that states otherwise?


(@navyrecognition, on it. Great website btw.)

[CV60]

Minor db 3000 issue. According to the manufacturer, the AN/SSQ-77C (Weapon_2497) has a launch altitude of 40-30,000 feet, is capable of deploying at preset depths of 200, 500 and 1,000 feet and has

command-selectable lifetimes of either 0.5, 1, 2, 4 or 8 hours. See

traktoria.org/files/sonar/sonobuoy/AN_SSQ-77C_VLAD_Sonobuoy.pdf

[Broncepulido]

I'm not sure how is it modelled in CMANO, but observe SSQ-77C (as passive omnidirectional sonobuoy) is stated on the manufacturer PDF as "convergence zone receive beam" capable. Perhaps it is modelled on the SSQ-77B/C range of 40 nm, as opossite to the only 15 nm range of SSQ-77A. And probably should be more CZ capable sonobuoys. (I think also that capability should be one of the USSR demise causes, showing the Soviets the futility of his submarine force).

[CV60]

I believe all the VLADs also have a bottom bounce capability, although I'm not sure that is modeled in the game. See Friedman, Norman, and Norman Friedman. The Naval Institute Guide to World Naval Weapon Systems, 1997-1998 Annapolis, Md: Naval Institute Press, 1998, pg. 657-58 ; GlobalSecurity.org - Reliable Security Information. "AN/SSQ-77B Vertical Line Array Directional Frequency Analysis andRecording (VLAD) Sonobuoy." Accessed November 24, 2014. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ssq-77.htm

I'm not sure how is it modelled in CMANO, but observe SSQ-77C (as passive omnidirectional sonobuoy) is stated on the manufacturer PDF as "convergence zone receive beam" capable. Perhaps it is modelled on the SSQ-77B/C range of 40 nm, as opossite to the only 15 nm range of SSQ-77A. And probably should be more CZ capable sonobuoys. (I think also that capability should be one of the USSR demise causes, showing the Soviets the futility of his submarine force).

[Broncepulido]

I see also VLAD states for Vertical-line Array DIFAR (a pity,it's not Vlad Tepes related![;)] )

[MaxManus81]

Might have been mentioned earlier but the Type 42 Batch 3 class destroyers should have a 40 missile magazine, not 22 like the Batch 1 and 2. This is due to the fact that they got a longer hull to fit a larger magazine and improve seakeeping.

[ojms]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Israel: Ofeq-10 satellite

http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-ofek-1 ... cessfully/

I believe we have the earlier variants in there already. We need some pretty detailed info to implement satellites.

Mike

Just from Wikipedia Ofek/Ofeq 10 is an upgraded version of Ofek 8 (which is also missing):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofek-10

There is a lot of detail on Ofek-8 here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TecSAR

perhaps it would be possible to add them both but just with the same specification?

[ojms]

I have also found this information about the orbit of Ofeq 10 http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=39650 and ofeq 8 http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecra ... =2008-002A which hopefully should be enough for the orbital information.

[schroedi]

ORIGINAL: Jan Masterson

Hello schroedi,

ORIGINAL: schroedi
(...)Addition to Mirage 2000 D/N. France upgraded them to use Mica IR instead of Magic2

As far as I know from my recent research, the 2000N will never have anything but Magic 2 and the D may be equipped with Mica when it will be upgraded, nothing is done nor even set yet.

Would you have a link or a reference to your sources please?

Maybe France even uses the Mica IR for their Mirage 2000C instead of the Magic2, but I don't know it exactly.

Check Mirage 2000-5F entries #12 and #20, they have it.

Rafale is not using all it's hardpoints as well (except in one A/A loadout)

As far as I know, front left hardpoint (#9 on the pic below) is not operational, nor is "central forward" point (#7):
http://kovy.free.fr/divers/rafaleemport.gif

Would you have a source that states otherwise?


(@navyrecognition, on it. Great website btw.)

Won't the Mirage 2000D and N get the same upgrade, I thought that.

For the Rafale, I am not talking about those "air intake" hardpoints for the targeting pod. The plane has eleven/twelve hardpoints for weapons but all loadouts except the "heavy cap" loadout only use nine hardpoints, count it.

[schroedi]

ORIGINAL: Jan Masterson

Hello schroedi,

ORIGINAL: schroedi
(...)Addition to Mirage 2000 D/N. France upgraded them to use Mica IR instead of Magic2

As far as I know from my recent research, the 2000N will never have anything but Magic 2 and the D may be equipped with Mica when it will be upgraded, nothing is done nor even set yet.

Would you have a link or a reference to your sources please?

Maybe France even uses the Mica IR for their Mirage 2000C instead of the Magic2, but I don't know it exactly.

Check Mirage 2000-5F entries #12 and #20, they have it.

Rafale is not using all it's hardpoints as well (except in one A/A loadout)

As far as I know, front left hardpoint (#9 on the pic below) is not operational, nor is "central forward" point (#7):
http://kovy.free.fr/divers/rafaleemport.gif

Would you have a source that states otherwise?


(@navyrecognition, on it. Great website btw.)

Didn't the Mirage 2000Ds and Ns get the same upgrade? I thought that.

For the Rafale, I am not talking about the "air intake" hardpoints for the targeting pod. The plane has eleven/twelve harpoints for weapons but except the "heavy CAP" all loadouts are only using nine hardpoints, count it.
For example: #3230 SCALP EG loadout: 2x Mica, 2x Meteor, 2x Scalp, 2x 2000l tank, 1x 1700l tank = 9 hardpoints used.
Or SBU-38 AASM loadout: 2x Mica, 2x Meteor, 6x AASM on TERs (3 AASM on each hardpoint), 2x 2000l, 1x 1700l, 1x Damocles on the air intake hardpoint (don't count that one) = 9 hardpoints used

[ClaudeJ]

As for today, and as far as I know, the plan is to retire the Mirage 2000N K3 in 2018 while a second Rafale B squadron is to be dedicated to nuclear deterrence.
http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/rap-info/i1233.asp
tm.asp?m=3436106&mpage=38&key=&#

[schroedi]

than I am sorry that I made a mistake here

[mikmykWS]

Various requests added to our list.

We do require a link or a picture so if you didn't provide it but could that would be great:)

Thanks!

Mike

[schroedi]

example for Rafale full loadout not completely full, the targeting pod next to the air intake is missing.
Su-34 full loadout some loadouts ingame have DECM Pods, I missed that before some don't have them and have two hardpoints unused.
for the Su-33 I am sorry, it is correct ingame, i missed the DECM Pods
Eurofighter full loadout
Tornado IRIS-T
F-4 Phantom IRIS-T
story about Type 212 voyage to Florida
back of a usual Brandenburg class
back of F-217 Bayern with towed array
Tornado IDS and ECR ASSTA 3.1

[schroedi]

sorry pushed quote instead of edit

[ClaudeJ]

ORIGINAL: schroedi
example for Rafale full loadout

Not an operational loadout, you can tell easily since it sports Meteor which are not expected before couple of years at the soonest and there are black-white stickers on the bombs to help accurate tracking once they are released.
As far as I know, it's a Dassault funded test, not per Armée de l'Air request, intended as an incentive for potential export customers.
http://www.air-cosmos.com/2014/01/23/20 ... -le-rafale