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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)

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My thoughts,
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Open Questions

A few open questions to the readership:

1) nygiants59 - you recently indicated that the CVEs would be useful in future operations. Granted I'd love not to have lost them, but didn't make them part of MKB due to low speed. In your opinion, how are they useful?
They can be useful for bait, for deception and for stoping the enemy raiding with SCTF.
2) To all - What, if anything, are the lessons of the failure of Operation Kraken (the CVE Raiders)? What have I missed? Should raiding be left to subs? To subs or LCTFs?

Raiding is really hit and miss. To optimise it you need:
Queing systems, long range patrol aircraft and Glen equiped subs are best, so you know where and generally what the targets are.
Flank protection, Subs, AMC and patrol aircraft.
A fuel reserve (this impacted on the raiders we lost, and on you).

Basically a raid shouldn't be a whim, it needs to be planned and co-ordinated. Only risk what you are prepared to loose.
3) To all - Is my optimism in China warranted or am I off base? It seems to me that Changsha, Kukong and eventually Nanning fall, opening the Singers to Port Arthur land route; and that the KMT starves. This allows me to shift divisions to the Pacific and DEI. What do you think?

Yup :) Despite the JFB "thrill" of boasting about what you captured, it is what you have at the end of the game that really counts, not where you were. Clearing central China does this the best. It is tough on both sides to do that, but the Japanese have a couple of advantages that they can exploit easier than the Allies. On the other hand it does bring a little of the political will of the Allies (US in particular) to support the Chinese... as the Allied player abandon the Chinese to their fate at your peril...

Apart from the DEI and Indo China the rest of the map is about taking good defensive terrain, or trying to "kill stuff" while you can to delay the Allies as long as you can.
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Yes get them out when you can... we havn't got all out yet. Useless in China, essential in the places NY59 mentions :)

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RF Guns - You have some of these units in China to do what?!? They are equipped with AT guns to fight what Chinese armor?? [&:] If you haven't moved them yet, they should go to Burma or Australia.
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The problem with Oil is it takes longer to load, and there is not all that much. So while I agree get the oil back to the HI you also need to shift fuel.

We have repaired some oil. But not the refineries... except recently in one place we expanded production to support future ops and because the oil was there. The benefit of this is that there is the potential late war to have a second "Home Islands" area that can carry on the fight by itself. This requires light and heavy industry.

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Vietnam to Fusan LOC is IMO the MOST import japanese strategic objective of the game, often overlooked because it's not as exciting as India/OZ/SoPac/PH.  The savings in fuel alone is massive.  Pull from Fusan while increasing the port (and the port next to it, forget the name) and you can pull fuel/oil/resources a 3 hex distance instead of 60+ hexes from Cam -> Formosa -> HI.  There are plenty of players who have conquered China or at least opened the LOC.  Balikpan -> Soerabaja (8 hexes? maybe 9).  Merak -> Osthaven (2 hexes).  Palembang -> Singers (6 hexes).  Fusan -> HI (3 hexes).  Easy (as can be expected) to escort, protect from subs and save fuel. 

IMO, India/OZ/SoPac/PH are diversions.  They keep the enemy further away, but as Greyjoy just showed us, doesn't prevent an allied attack elsewhere. 


I agree with this but have one suggestion. I would pull only oil and resources, not fuel. The fuel suffers from loss during this. Not sure how much but I'd make some changes in the SRA. In the SRA, shut off all refineries except for producing fuel for fleet operations and fueling the HI there. Everything else remains oil so it can be shipped to Singapore then trucked to Fusan without loss. The Home Islands have plenty of refinery capability to handle the oil. If you really want to save the maximum amount of fuel, don't let it move by land.
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2) This does not apply to raids against specific, high value targets. For example, the raids in jrcar's AAR by KB smashed lots of key enemy shipping, including tankers and AP/AK assault ships. In my own game, the losses inflicted at Darwin, Soerabaja, and, to an unluckily lesser degree, Colombo, were worth the lower amount of risk to KB.


One other thing maybe to consider is that while raiding -- the KB is detected. After, my opponent did exactly as you point out and in that order sinking all kinds of shipping, a BB, support ships etc .. each time I took an atoll on the Gilberts finally taking Tarawa while the KB was busy hitting Colombo. So for maybe a 100 ships sunk I have exchaged for Tabiteua and Tarawa ...The IJ have to sink a lot of xAK's to make a dent into the Allied potential.

Now TK's is another story IMHO. With only a hundred of so total operating unitl '43 -- a loss of only 10 really hurts the ability to move fuel.

I believe the KB has the ability to project power like no other platform in this game. But I also believe it has to be used in conjuction with a sound overall strategic plan to achieve the goal of lasting to '46 or maybe with the goal of inducing SCLS ..simply going out and sinking random things is not going to stop the Allied onslaught in '44. GreyJoy proved that one ...[;)]
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Great comments, guys.

Concerning the RF guns in China. These are two units that start as part of the restricted China Expeditionary HQ. I plan to buy them out someday, but for now have prioritized buying out divisions from Manchuria (just bought one last turn), as well as air groups, LCU and ship leaders. The other ATGs are in Burma and NW Oz where they can do some good.
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July 24, 1942

Subs

ASW Ann reports a hit on a UK sub near Sabang.

4th Fleet

An interesting game in the Ellice Islands. Today CF recons Funafuti. We assume he'll recon Nukufetau tomorrow. Thus, tomorrow we'll pull our AV and our Mavii out for a day or two, then return. Whether this is just a probe or an invasion prelude remains to be seen, but we put South Seas Fleet on alert at Truk.

SE Fleet

Speaking of Truk, BB Yamato and numerous CLs and DDs recently arrived here to bolster the strength of South Seas Fleet.

14th Army

No change.

16th Army

6 B-17s hit our flanking tank regiment. We'll bring in the Nicks here. We continue to bomb the enemy armor stack with Helens. A test of strength is coming at Daly Waters.

Donggala invaded. We plan to ship the extra "g" back to Japan to aid the war effort.

Port Hedland makes level 3 forts. We have removed all resources from Darwin (125Kish) and will work at Hedland next.

25th Army

3rd Air Army is at Singapore. We feel like the southern approaches (true) to Sumatra are a weak spot, both in terms of air search and torp enabled air groups. Where should this Air HQ go in Sumatra to obtain the best coverage? We're considering Sabang, Medan, Sibolga and elsewhere. Keep in mind this is a 5 hex range air HQ that will torp enable numerous bases. Thoughts welcome.

Emilys arrive at Sabang tomorrow to begin watching the approaches to Sumatra from Ceylon.

15th Army

After scrapping the Akyab attack, we are positioning Imperial Guards to watch Akyab, 33rd Div to watch Kalemyo, and 55th Div in local reserve at Mandalay.

China

We catch the former Kweilin garrison. DA tomorrow.

The Kukong force of 16 LCUs has a move arrow north. The enemy appears to be awakening to the danger and presumably will abandon this base. 13th Army will follow up, maintaining contact. Because our troops are already in the hex, the rail line is useless to CF, as planned.

Nanning appears to be abandoned. We will shift paras to Canton and grab it.

Another division is bought out of Manchukuo today and boards trains for Shanghai. It will move to the Liuchow area to guard against counterattack for now.

5th Fleet

We are moving a recon unit and additional Jakes to this AO.

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July 25, 1942

Subs

Our ASW TF working the Borneo coast has a golden opportunity to hammer Snapper in shallow waters near Miri but pushes the fail button as they can't locate the sub.

ASW Ann claims a hit on an S-boat near Formosa.

4th Fleet

The enemy continues to recon Funafuti. No sign of any imminent move, however.

Hilo makes level 5 airfield; Lahaina level 6.

SE Fleet

A Glen spots a 2 ship convoy just north of Koumac headed East. We'll try for an intercept.

Buna makes level 2 forts, Rabaul makes level 5 forts.

14th Army

All elements of the Luzon coup de grace force are loaded and will ship out today.

16th Army

We bomb the enemy armor, CF's B-17s bomb ours. 10 Nicks (we were hoping for more) give the 4Es a rude surprise by shooting one down outright. Banzai! That Nick group is going up fast in EXP and will be crack in another month or so of combat.

Donggala occupied.

25th Army

Emilys begin operating from Sabang, giving us a bit better coverage of the Bay of Bengal. Otherwise, this AO is settling down to defensive preparations and intense resource extraction.

15th Army

Today 48 Blenheims bomb the Imperial Guards division near Akyab. No damage is done, but more evidence CF is planning something in Burma. We will move a few Oscar Sentai to LRCAP tomorrow.

China

Today it becomes apparent that CF is responding to the crisis at Changsha.

We DA the Kweilin survivors and force the 6 LCUs to retreat a 3rd time with 7:1 odds; casualties 5131(492) vs 371(1). The road to Hengyang is clear and we will race down it.

Recon spots the 6 enemy LCUs that recently tried an attack near Wuchow retreating back down the road to Kukong. However, these forces are already in danger of isolation because today the entire Kukong stack abandoned the city by moving up the road toward Hengyang a hex. 13th Army will pursue.

Elsewhere, recon shows the small stack at Pingsiang moving west (map) as though it is moving toward Hengyang. We will peel off a unit or two from the Changsha stack to seize Pingsiang and try to pin this force (or at least add numbers to the IJA at Hengyang if the enemy wins the race).

All in all, great news. It is probable we will win the race to Hengyang. If not, our combat power will coalesce there on favorable terms in clear terrain.

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Tracker shows that the accelerated Ryuho will arrive on July 29. All other CVs and in the pipeline are also accelerated.
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One more quick comment. Recon has confirmed Nanning is abandoned. Paras will take the base very soon with infantry follow on forces for garrison duty.

Question: Once Nanning and Kukong fall, have we already established a "poor man's" land bridge from SE Asia to Korea? Obviously we hope to take the Changsha cluster of bases and secure the rail line, but that rail network is incomplete. Thus, will stuff already flow overland?
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It doesn't seem to flow for me, I have taken everything along the line apart from Changsha and I still have to ship in fuel to the Manchuoko/Korea HI otherwise it keeps running out. Also no oil appears to flow to the Port Arthur refinery other than the tiny amount produced in Manchuko.
Still its worth it to take the Industry just to deny the allies the supply generation.
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Question: Once Nanning and Kukong fall, have we already established a "poor man's" land bridge from SE Asia to Korea? Obviously we hope to take the Changsha cluster of bases and secure the rail line, but that rail network is incomplete. Thus, will stuff already flow overland?
I don't know for sure. As I understand things, yes, but the fuel and supply hit might be pretty high. No losses for resources or oil though ...
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July 26, 1942

The race for Hengyang is on in China. The winner of the coming battle will dictate events in the Middle Kingdom for months if not years.

Subs

We are irritated. An enemy tanker convoy moves over an area covered by a RO boat wolf pack, but escorts DC the subs twice before they can attack. Neither RO is damaged. Tomorrow seven subs will swarm the convoy, and because it is caught in the narrow approaches to Noumea, we doubt it can get away without suffering numerous attacks. Note this is further evidence that CF is building for a SWPAC offensive.

Stingray duds on a TK near Donggala. Our ASW is very active here and we will try to chase out the intruder.

4th Fleet

No change.

SE Fleet

Shortlands makes level 4 airfield. We are really picking up the pace of base building and entrenching now.

14th Army

Awaiting the arrival of the Operation Killshot forces on Luzon.

16th Army

The B-17s stay home. Our bombers continue to hit the enemy armor.

25th Army

Re-shuffling Java garrisons has freed up a bunch of engineers to add to base building efforts.

15th Army

We will buy out a second air group from Japan, equip it with Nicks and ship it to Burma. Sooner or later the British are coming.

Taung Gyi makes level 2 airfield as we are building here too.

China

Kukong occupied by rowboat with level 3 forts, a nice bonus. In theory, the 6 KMT LCUs near Wuchow are isolated. In practice they'll probably move cross-country, but either way they won't impact the key battles to come near Changsha.

We have the IJAAF hammering the former Kukong stack and the Pinsiang stack to slow them up and ensure 17th Army wins the race to Hengyang. If we take Hengyang before the enemy stacks get over the river, they will be in trouble, forced to either SA over the river or move slowly cross-country, all while 13th Army marches up from Kukong on their heels.

Our present goals are seizure of the three bases behind Changsha and opening an LoC from 17th Army to Hankow. Next up will be isolation of Changsha and eventually capture of the base. We need to hurry, but it appears the advantage lies with Japan for now. Cribtop HQ has deemed the next few weeks critical in China and thus re-directs the newly bought out Manchurian division to the Changsha front. Currently entrained near Peking, it should arrive in about 48 hours.
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NY GIANTS - resting & prepping for another Super Bowl [:D]

Dallas Cowgirls - FORE!!!! (down in Mexico practicing their golf swing)
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Yeah, congrats Micheal and I think the Giants are a more complete team than the Pats. I watched the SF/NYG game out of the corner of my eye yesterday while entering orders. As a Cowboys fan, I was pretty much pulling for an asteroid strike. [:D]
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The Super Bowl will turn on a few things.
1) Turnovers - usually the best indicator of who wins or losses (Giants were +2 yesterday)
2) Big plays or lack or them - SF had a wide open WR that was over thrown and the Ravens had a WR get the ball knocked out of his hands in the end zone at the end of the game. Your Cowboys had Romo do the same thing with Austin, I think, when just a few feet less and it would have gone for a TD and ended the Giants season. The Giants are near the top in the league with plays over 20 yards.
3) Red Zone - TDs vs FGs
4) Drive ending penalties

If the Giants come ahead or even in these four areas they will win.
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Sigh...Giants.

It is definitely going to be an interesting Super Bowl. I think the Patriots and Giants are a good match, although I hate to admit the Giants are the more complete team at the moment. I cringe at the thought of New England's secondary trying to contain Nicks and Cruz. However, if Brady gets back to form for the big day, then they have a real shot at this one. I don't think they will back off from taking it to the Giants offensively like they did 4 years ago either. The Patriots will not win a close game, they must get the lead early and add to it often to compensate for a weak secondary. Keep Manning off the field and run the score up, that's the only way they'll win.

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Basically, IMHO Brady has to have the game of his life for the Pats to win. There are many scenarios in which the Giants can win. However, except for the Baltimore game, Brady has been a man on a mission over the last month, so it could be interesting.
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I rooting for the Browns. Oh, wait........
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Sorry, Mike, we'll get back to the war soon. Since religion and football are one and the same in Texas, you'll get these little flare ups from time to time. [:D]
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July 27, 1942

Real life concerns have gotten me behind again. Today we catch up.

Subs

We are frustrated that the enemy TKs near Noumea somehow slip past our subs. In analyzing why, we realize that out of fear we didn't put any subs in the Pine Island hex (base SE of Noumea) and CF probably got through there. Dumb error.

4th Fleet

The almost obsessive recon patrols over Funafuti continue. Hmm.

SE Fleet

Hiryu and Soryu finish their upgrades. Once their accompanying DDs upgrade in a few days, they'll move back to [location censored].

Charter Towers makes airfield level 5. Will CF post the 4Es here and come after PM?

14th Army

Waiting for the troops to land in Luzon.

16th Army

DA Watampone retreats the former Makassar garrison with 56:1 odds. Irritating that the unit doesn't surrender because the Dutch still have the former Kendari garrison at the base NW of Kendari. We'll trudge around to finish them all off in time. Casualties 263(28) to nil as the Dutch stragglers had no bullets due to long isolation.

The enemy continues to loiter under air attack 1 hex SW of Daly Waters.

25th Army

No change.

15th Army

Truly awful weather scrubs almost all air ops in Burma and even China today.

Toungoo makes level 3 airfield, Diamond Harbor level 6.

China

We are racing for Hengyang against the former Pingsiang and Kukong stacks. We must win the race and have 1 day to spare to seize it from the small (1 LCU) garrison to trap the enemy on the wrong side of the river. All IJAAF forces are dedicated to the mission of delay bombing, but any scrubs for bad weather could be costly.

5th Fleet

Toyohara hits level 4 airfield.

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