Sneer vs Raver , Banzaiiii!!!!

[Sneer]

as long as I inflict 500+ casualties per day his AV and troops number don't grow [:(]

[aztez]

Patience. I think you will capture Chungking eventually and when it is done game over in China.

[Nemo121]

Just keep bombarding him and ground attacking him with your bombers.
 
1. Repairing disablements will easily burn the 300 tons of supply per day. The problem occurs if the Allies get more than those 300 tons.
 
2. Since a lot of the Chinese Corps there are going to be 1/3rd strength they are going to fall foul of the rule whereby once a unit is under 50% strength or has more than 50% of its squads disabled further squads do not become disabled. They start dying.
 
3. The combination of bombardments and aerial attacks ( which can easily inflict up to 1,000 Chinese casualties per day when combined) should help drop his troop numbers. Just using bombardment alone I've managed to drop troop numbers in Chungking by 15,000 in 1 month. Fair enough it could take 11 months to reduce Chungking at that rate but it is doable. The key is to just bombard every single day and fly as many ground attack missions as you can afford.

[Sneer]

level bombers are not available in such numbers - activity on frontier prevents this
i'm quite happy to see 500 casualties per day
but their total number doesn't go down

[Sneer]

6/30/43
daring raid of allied dds sink two MSW and one small TK at sorong harbour
7/1/43
Warspite hit by 2 torps from I 153 and sunk /14th BB in game
ap. 15-18 LCTs sunk with troops onboard west of aru isl by planes - close to 1000 troops reported on sunk barges
maybe they headed for Kai isl ???


troops ap bde strong south of benares
looks like Raverdave decided to check my cards and make use of chungking mess

[Raverstuffedlogin]

I am still here....I have not posted in awhile because my login is stuffed......hence the name.  Pressure is being applied to Sneer and he is found wanting.   I will have him crushed by the end of '44 and defeated by the end of '45. 

[Sneer]

how to be calm if I see enemy moving hapilly in places where he should be under pressure ?
instead of my 2h 43 land offensive in east india i see allied offensive there
my forces that should be used there are at F******g chungking now as nobody on the forum explained why i'm penalized to 30% assault value
no support voice about it - not even slightest reaction
no moderators , nobody with
sometimes support on witp is excellent and sometimes you ask yourself why certain things 2y after release are not working properly and why simple things are so difficult to solve

i doubt Raverdave can crush me there not behing lvl 9 forts after i reinforced area but certainly it will be nervous time for me ....
Raverdave feels strong and Japan is quite inactive - as written long ago i hate attrition war so if don't need to i don't do it
maybe it is found as weakness ? i don't know. i know PZB is fighting like a lion - certainly he is not inactive but he has enemy on own teritory ....
Chungking will or will not be taken it this game - maybe someone will manage to explain it sooner or earlier
i considered another slow PBEM /RHS/ yesterday but today i found i don't need second source of frustration.
this game will be kept - don't be worry
even if it will have bitter taste - i think Nemo is currently feeling similar however from other reasons.

Crushed Raverdave ? with what ? basicly all you can show is bombing me out of game we all have seen it in other games ... nothing new.
maybe you will even win some major naval battle in this war sooner or later [8|]

[Sneer]

enough emotions - you have enough of this in Nemo's  AAR
we are in July - i'm lazy to show stats - maybe later

to treespider
even inflicting 500+ cas at Chungking doesn't influence troops number growth - however it certainly can slow it down a bit

today inf units were ordered to rest - they regain strenght slower when in bombardment mode
meanwhile i estimate that I inflicted 2.5-3k casualties

Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 11942 troops, 410 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 13423
Defending force 212319 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6734 
Allied ground losses:
198 casualties reported

[Sneer]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/05/43
except air fight in india it is average day we have
today 153:67 for Japan also DM scored
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ASW attack at 45,62

Japanese Ships
PC Fukue
PC Matsuwa
PC Oki
PC Etoforu

Allied Ships
SS Gunnel, hits 6

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Sub attack at 46,46

Japanese Ships
MSW Wa 15
MSW Hinode Maru #20
MSW Musashi Maru
MSW Wa 101
MSW Wa 13
MSW Wa 12
MSW Wa 11
MSW Wa 7

Allied Ships
SS Tunny

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 32

No Japanese losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Benares , at 28,18


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 113
B-24D Liberator x 35


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 7 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
132 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 120

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
15 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 47
A6M3a Zero x 54
B5N Kate x 54
B6N Jill x 17
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 35

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet
24 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
8 x B6N Jill bombing at 5000 feet
20 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B6N Jill bombing at 5000 feet
3 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet
3 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Thursday Island , at 49,90


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 6
B-17E Fortress x 36


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Construction Battalion, at 39,78


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 13
B-26B Marauder x 50


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
306 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
24 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 10000 feet
15 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 16th Division, at 29,18
almost every allied plane shot down with little losses - i know it is highly unrealistic it is bullshit but... it is witp - miracles happens for both sides
Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 7
J1N1-S Irving x 11
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 16
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 40

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 84
Spitfire Vb x 5
Vengeance I x 15
Beaufighter VIC x 15
P-40N Warhawk x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 7 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 79 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 5 destroyed
Vengeance I: 14 destroyed
Beaufighter VIC: 15 destroyed
P-40N Warhawk: 11 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 12th Construction Battalion, at 39,78


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 22
B-26B Marauder x 83


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
272 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
20 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 23rd Indian Division, at 28,17

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 27
Ki-49 Helen x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
27 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 49,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 6
G4M1 Betty x 13
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 32

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 14 destroyed
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 19 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 12 destroyed

Allied Ships
DM Pruitt, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Patterson

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 49,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 30

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 6 destroyed
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 9 destroyed

Allied Ships
DM Pruitt, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Patterson

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 16

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Sub attack at 46,46

Japanese Ships
MSW Wa 7
MSW Hinode Maru #20
MSW Musashi Maru
MSW Wa 101
MSW Wa 15
MSW Wa 13
MSW Wa 12
MSW Wa 11

Allied Ships
SS Tunny


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 11962 troops, 410 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 14711

Defending force 212701 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6755



Allied ground losses:
272 casualties reported

[Sneer]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/06/43

i see enemy mining from air - i'd like to see any good house rule about it
any ideas ?
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ASW attack at 44,64

Japanese Ships
PC Fukue
PC Matsuwa
PC Oki
PC Etoforu

Allied Ships
SS Finback, hits 5

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 36

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 22


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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 165
Ki-15 Babs x 6

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
166 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 115


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Day Air attack on Waingapu , at 27,74

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 260

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 22
Airbase supply hits 13
Runway hits 153


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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77

mining mission
Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 2
B-24D Liberator x 27


Allied aircraft losses
F-5A Lightning: 2 damaged


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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 47
A6M3a Zero x 52
B5N Kate x 53
B6N Jill x 18
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 36

No Japanese losses

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 31


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Day Air attack on Thursday Island , at 49,90


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 9
B-17E Fortress x 24


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4


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Day Air attack on 48th Division, at 29,18

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 7

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 50
Spitfire Vb x 13
Vengeance I x 10
Beaufighter VIC x 8
P-40N Warhawk x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Spitfire Vb: 1 destroyed
Vengeance I: 1 damaged
Beaufighter VIC: 1 damaged
P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Day Air attack on 70th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 20

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 79th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 15
Ki-49 Helen x 12

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported


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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 17

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 60049 troops, 1007 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 14866

Defending force 212618 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6747



Allied ground losses:
350 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 47,26

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 118711 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1587

Defending force 31456 troops, 242 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 604

Allied max assault: 1333 - adjusted assault: 161

Japanese max defense: 630 - adjusted defense: 381

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1040 casualties reported
Guns lost 25

Allied ground losses:
1519 casualties reported

[Andy Mac]

The one I normally adhere to is no more than 1 Bomb Group per 24 hours on 1 target. So max 48 MLers per 24 hours and can only be used on single target.
 
In my experience as the allies I struggle even to use that as the mines are more damaging to my own ships than they are to the Japanese so I tend now not to use it at all but the ability to use it when I need to, albeit restricted, is a safety net

[Capt. Harlock]

ORIGINAL: Sneer

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/06/43

i see enemy mining from air - i'd like to see any good house rule about it
any ideas ?
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This was discussed in the now-famous Lunacy or Shrewdness AAR, and the suggestion made was that air-dropped mines would not be allowed in the presence of enemy fighters. In my opinion, this would mean mining is allowed only if the airfield is closed, or there are no fighters based there. I admit this does not address LRCAP from nearby bases, but it seems a reasonable compromise to me.

[Raverstuffedlogin]

Hmmm....I like Andy Mac's idea.......but OTOH we now have enough house rules, I'd hate to add yet another one.[:(]

[Sneer]

you are right
i hate House rules too but sth need to be chosen
you know the problem  - choose an option that will be less restrictive

[Sneer]

7/8/43
as long as enough resources are devoted to asw i feel i can win with subs on my communication lines
SS Gato sunk today off Hong Kong

[Raverdave]

I'll email my idea for air laid mines.

[Raverdave]

Once my USN subs start using decent torps your SLOCs will be in trouble. [:)]

[Sneer]

[font="arial"]and it was agreed
"Air laid mines only at ports that don’t have fighters based.  Only one bomber group per turn is allowed to lay mines."
[/font] [font="arial"]question is how many new house rules will be implemented till 1945???

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[Raverdave]

[:D]My problem is determining which ports have fighters based at them.....I'll have to ask sneer before I send them in.

[Sneer]

300 b24 on recon taking photos of airfield craters ?[:D][:D][:D]