CleverDevils2 AAR

[gwheelock]

Oh?  So you are volunteering to leave your army in France then?
 
Nappy's starting to feel a bit hungry - needs a snack before
dinnertime.  (Since the Prussian war started in Jan; that HAS
to qualify as "Breakfest" & the rest of those minors would be
"lunch")

[ess1]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

See? France is the one to beat, guys. Let's go get 'im! I'll commit my whole army to the task, anyhow.

Reminds me of my days playing postal Dippy[;)]

[Jimmer]

gwheelock: You're forgetting "Tea Time". At the size of the British army, they would pretty much count as "crumpets".
 
ess1: My army is about the same size as it would be in Diplomacy, too.

[ess1]

Interesting thought but I fear I'm too old for "crumpet nowadays[:(]

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

gwheelock: You're forgetting "Tea Time". At the size of the British army, they would pretty much count as "crumpets".

ess1: My army is about the same size as it would be in Diplomacy, too.

OK; so the Brits are crumpets & the Swedes would then qualify as
"Swedish Tea Cakes" ?[:'(]

(FYI to everyone else - My wife bakes & gives out cookies for christmas -
Jimmer's favorites are ones called either "Swedish Tea Cakes" or "Russian
Tea Cakes" [same cookie just different names])

[gwheelock]

Ok; here are the results from the July 1805 dp phase :

Austria attempts dp on Swabia - successful (inf)
Austria attempts dp on Dalmatia -unsuccessful
Prussia attempts dp on Nassau & Hesse - both unsucessful
Britain attempts dp on Papacy & Persia - both unsuccessful
Spain attempts dp on Algeria - unsuccessful

France DOWs Naples/Sicily - Spain gets control (and will get to keep it)
France DOWs Tunisia - Turkey gets control (and will get to keep it)
Turkey DOWs Cyrenica

Several alliance attempts - all unsuccessful

Prussia unconditionally surrenders to France. Terms are :
3 Provences - Magdeberg, Pommeramia, Wurttemberg
36 Months peace
large money


Here is what the central map looks like :



Prussia ends the war with 18I, 5M + June econ

[delatbabel]

Well at least Prussia will get the chance to sit back for the next 36 months and watch Austria get annihilated (possibly even twice if they are lucky).

[AresMars]

gwheelock, can we see the PSA chart and VP totals for this game?
 
 

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: delatbabel

Well at least Prussia will get the chance to sit back for the next 36 months and watch Austria get annihilated (possibly even twice if they are lucky).

The 36 months does not protect Prussia, but rather France. This French player is ruthless. He's one of the best there are at this game, too. Prussia's only real hope is for the upcoming war (plus the peace time spent gobbling minors) is long enough to use up most of that 36 months.

IF Prussia can get back into a war with France WHILE Austria or Russia is at war, then Prussia has at least some bargaining chips to play. But, it's going to take some pretty interesting game-play to accomplish that.

[Jimmer]

Say, gwheelock: I really like what you've done to your corps counters (blacking out the corps numbers and movement remaining). Very good!

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: AresMars

gwheelock, can we see the PSA chart and VP totals for this game?

Here is the current (reinforcement of July 1805) political statuses:
(THIS is why I DOWed Naples/Sicily & Tunisia for Spain & Turkey -
I knew I would be bouncing off the top of the chart & figured I might
as well burn the extra pp's in a good cause as lose them)

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: AresMars

gwheelock, can we see the PSA chart and VP totals for this game?

And here are the VP's (they havn't changed since the June econ phase)

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

ORIGINAL: delatbabel

Well at least Prussia will get the chance to sit back for the next 36 months and watch Austria get annihilated (possibly even twice if they are lucky).

The 36 months does not protect Prussia, but rather France. This French player is ruthless. He's one of the best there are at this game, too. Prussia's only real hope is for the upcoming war (plus the peace time spent gobbling minors) is long enough to use up most of that 36 months.

IF Prussia can get back into a war with France WHILE Austria or Russia is at war, then Prussia has at least some bargaining chips to play. But, it's going to take some pretty interesting game-play to accomplish that.

RUTHLESS?? - Not me. I didn't start the war; Prussia did. I offered the Prussians a very easy conditional peace back in January (Saxony & 24 months).

Prussia's biggest problem is going to be replacing the army he lost (60I; 17C; 3G + 8 Saxon I & 2 Saxon C =~ $460/180mp). Even with 36 months peace; he will only produce
$360/168mp (remember he is down Madgeberg & Pommeramia) & this assumes he
spends NOTHING on corp/depots or movement & has no wars with anyone else
(of course - depending on who the "anyone" is - he MAY get help from ME[:D]).
I'm not sure if even Britain can afford to come up with over $100 to help him rebuild
while also helping the Russians & Austrians.

I really doubt that the war with Austria will take anywhere near 36 months. I have never
seen a "real war" (the France/GB staredown isn't a real war & neither is on where Russia
hides behind Prussia/Austria & doen't fight) that lasts even a fraction of that time. If my
current plans work out the way that I think they will; my prediction is 6-8 months (from the start of the war) depending on how the battles go & how stubborn the Austrian player
is. (Do I have plans - of course; am I going to discuss them here - not until AFTER they
are triggered)

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: gwheelock

(THIS is why I DOWed Naples/Sicily & Tunisia for Spain & Turkey -
I knew I would be bouncing off the top of the chart & figured I might
as well burn the extra pp's in a good cause as lose them)

Interesting.

Do you realize that there was a 50/50 chance that Prussia would have gone first, and therefore you would have gained the PP before losing the ones for the DOWs? Unless the game simply adds up all the pluses and minuses and uses the sum, this had a decent chance of dropping you a bit.

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: gwheelock
RUTHLESS?? - Not me. I didn't start the war; Prussia did.

Come now. If you weren't so ruthless, I would have invited you over for tea a long time ago!

[Jimmer]

Oh, and a hint to the rest of the EiA-playing world:

As France, it's a very GOOD thing to be ruthless.

<This comment by Jim is now complete. King James of Great Britain has now returned to his office.>

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

ORIGINAL: gwheelock

(THIS is why I DOWed Naples/Sicily & Tunisia for Spain & Turkey -
I knew I would be bouncing off the top of the chart & figured I might
as well burn the extra pp's in a good cause as lose them)

Interesting.

Do you realize that there was a 50/50 chance that Prussia would have gone first, and therefore you would have gained the PP before losing the ones for the DOWs? Unless the game simply adds up all the pluses and minuses and uses the sum, this had a decent chance of dropping you a bit.

There BETTER not be a 50/50 chance of Prussia surrendering (Peace step; 6.4.2) coming before the DOW 6.2 step. Remember - all of this is done in a precisely defined sequence.

[AresMars]

gwheelock, thanks for sharing the info I asked for....I was being lazy when I mentioned the VP totals....I should have gone back and checked.
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Sorry about that.
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I am so use to being able to immediately look and see....

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: gwheelock
There BETTER not be a 50/50 chance of Prussia surrendering (Peace step; 6.4.2) coming before the DOW 6.2 step. Remember - all of this is done in a precisely defined sequence.

You caught me.

Oh, well. I'll just have to sink a few of your ships to make up for the pain I'm feeling now.

( )

[gwheelock]

OK; here is the status as of the Aug 1805 reinforcement phase:

France DOWs Berg; Prussia gets control
France DOWs Gottingen; Prussia gets control
France DOWs Nassau; Britain gets control
France DOWs Swabia; Austria gets control
France DOWs Lausitz; Prussia gets control
Spain DOWs Papacy; Austria gets control

Several alliance requests; all fail.