Ukraine 2014

[NakedWeasel]

I also found this, translated from Izvestia:

Young pilots run from the Air Force

Due to the imperfect system of money allowances Russian Air Force started to lose young cadres. As told "Izvestia" a source in the Air Force, of 80 young pilots enrolled in the Air Force combat units in the past year, nearly 60 have already begun to fire, not having served in the army and the year. If the situation does not change, by 2015 the army will lose almost 70% of front-line pilots.

Pilots themselves explain that they have been cheated of money and made it impossible to fly.

- Last year, when we were released, we were promised that from January 1, 2012 will receive 100 thousand rubles. Actually received about 60 thousand rubles. And now the norm raid changed: now, if we do not swoop 100 hours on your hands will get 37 thousand I'd better go to the "Aeroflot" - told "Izvestia" Su-25 pilot, who now runs an air-flight before commission dismissal.

He explained that 70% of the salary of drill pilot makes allowance for "special conditions of service" and the prize "for the faithful and efficient performance of duties." They accrue only to those who fulfill the established norm of flight hours per year. And from January 1, 2012 this rate was 100 hours per year for frontline aviation pilots. That's how much you need to spend in the air to anyone who flies on combat "drying" and "MiGs" - Su-27, MiG-29, MiG-31, etc.

Thus, if the pilots of transport planes, conducting a single flight for 2-3 hours, to meet the norm is not difficult (for IL-76, Tu-154 aircraft and other transport rate of 140-150 hours, 50-60 fly), the pilots -fighters who spend in the air just 20-30 minutes per flight to swoop must perform 100 hours 200 sorties.

- Even if we assume for an hour a day, it is necessary to fly 100 days a year. But we so often one does not fly - admitted lieutenant.

The commander of one of the squadrons of long-range bombers explained "Izvestia" that does not start at the helm of young Air Force led the way with heavy 1990s, when not enough fuel and serviceable machines (often Regiment was no more than 2-3 serviceable aircraft). Now due to undershoot earn young aces.

- Due to the released hours senior pilots get extra touch, pass on the qualification requirements "sniper pilot", "pilot-instructor" etc. and accordingly their allowance increases significantly - explained "Izvestia".

According to him, in February 2012 on a single Russian aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" flight hours reserved for young naval pilots were rewritten by the commanders of the 279th separate regiment. Because of this, young people do not gain admission to fly solo and on his return to the port of naval aviation extinct.

- And this is happening everywhere - the source of "Izvestia".

But in addition to money problems with the January 1, 2012 and added everyday problems.

- Not only do we have canceled a free ride to the place of vacation (except remote areas) and reduced medical care for family members, since late last year stopped issuing flight form - overalls, jackets, shoes. Have to buy for your money. With all this can be tolerated only if allowance is high, - said the squadron commander.

In the civil airline pilots waiting for 240 thousand rubles per month (for the first lieutenant, who had just started to fly), free medical care, free flights to anywhere, including abroad, subsidized mortgages, and other bonuses.

The only way to retire young pilots - it become unusable health. In this case, they must be translated into the ground work, and from there the pilot has the right to refuse. Now only one of the branches of the Third Central Military Clinical Hospital named after Vishnevsky air flight Commission (WFC) have not been 28 young lieutenants.

From the beginning, the WFC in the country have not been about 300 military pilots, navigators and other aircrew members. Of these, about 60 soldiers - this issue pilots 2010-2011. For comparison, last year did not pass WFC 75 people, of which young lieutenants were only seven.

Furthermore, due to age and health each year deducted about 15 experienced pilots. In 2015, about 350 pilots have to leave the steering wheel because of the ultimate service life of 25 years.

At the same flight school until 2003 released only 100 pilots, and in 2003 produced an average of about 270 professionals, of which only 80 sit behind the steering wheel. The rest are appointed by the navigators, board operators, etc. To teach them to drive their own plane, it would take about two years of additional training.

http://izvestia.ru/news/531968



This sounds pretty bleak, indeed.

[mikmykWS]

LOL. Yes I do and do not have time to get into an internet argument about it which you seem to be lining up to do.

Have a great night.[:)]

Mike

[NakedWeasel]

No, believe me, that's not my intention at all. I'm a realism junkie, which is why I bought your game, Mike. I try to model a scenario based upon historically accurate, real-world data. I was being genuine when I asked for your input. That said, I can always use the resources that I have, and form my own opinions.

[thewood1]

I agree on the hours for Russian air force still being very limited. Last I heard (2011-ish) is that fuel limitations are still very high in Russian air force. I suspect there are elite units still getting plenty, but overall I think its still limited.

[Tomcat84]

I don't know about Russian flying hours but there is no way western pilots fly 100-300 hours a month. Even for a 100 that'd mean on a 31 day month minus four weekends that'd you'd fly 4,5 hours every day. For fighter pilots that unfortunately isn't happening.

[NakedWeasel]

I believe that also includes flying hours accumulated whilst flying combat missions overseas, and to and from CONUS.

[Tomcat84]

Your number is still probably too high. 300 a year and you're in great shape. At least as an F-16 driver. 300 a month and I think you will collapse from exhaustion. It'd also mean everybody and their mother would be walking around with 3000 hr patches. That just isn't the case.

[NakedWeasel]

Well if your Matrix handle is any indicator of what you did/do for a living, I'll concede to your opinion on American flying hours. I'll admit, I am not at all sure, and those were the numbers I remember hearing around the beginning of 2000. But more at issue, are the Russian flying hours. And I keep reading how they get less than 100 in a year, and they aren't getting the pay and perks they feel they deserve. Morale is low, and training is suffering.

[RoryAndersonCDT]

[RoryAndersonCDT]

Putin to make live statement on Ukraine at 0830GMT, his first public address on the crisis, Russian media says.

That is right now!

[NakedWeasel]

I just can't imagine what that must be like. Those Ukrainian troops must be scared to death, but they'll die upholding their oath. Gotta respect duty over self.

[RoryAndersonCDT]

CARSTRKGRU 2 on station.

http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index. ... ke_Group_2

[dandin384]

ORIGINAL: Baloogan

CARSTRKGRU 2 on station.

Let's hope we don't have to use it.

[RoryAndersonCDT]

PUTIN STREAM!
http://rt.com/on-air/russian-president-putin-statement/

[RoryAndersonCDT]

[VIF2NE]

I just can't imagine what that must be like. Those Ukrainian troops must be scared to death, but they'll die upholding their oath. Gotta respect duty over self.

It is an irony ?

Ukrainian troops are not scared. This is the reason for their surrender. If they were afraid , then fired .

During the war, 888 Russian soldiers traveled by train to the Russian base in Armenia . On the territory of Georgia . Interestingly, no one stopped them , not shoot them.

I just can't imagine what that must be like. Those Ukrainian troops must be scared to death, but they'll die upholding their oath. Gotta respect duty over self.

The reason - a very old relationships , family and economic ties . It's very complicated .
Policy or ideology can not explain this .

About beautiful aircraft Su-27 with a trident . My cousin was a senior officer at the airbase Poltava . The same one from which a beautiful flying the Su-27 . During WW2 there was the American bombers . You see what a complicated story . They will not shoot at Russian . Because Russian - this nation team . They Ukrainians and Georgians and Armenians and Tatars ...

Ukrainians - not cowards . They are very bravely fought in BB2 . Now they are brave political struggle against the corrupt government . And this fight is just beginning to happen in full force.

[Gunner98]

ORIGINAL: Tomcat84

Your number is still probably too high. 300 a year and you're in great shape. At least as an F-16 driver. 300 a month and I think you will collapse from exhaustion. It'd also mean everybody and their mother would be walking around with 3000 hr patches. That just isn't the case.

From my recollection, Canadian F-18 pilots have a 20hr/month standard to maintain so 240hrs in a year. Some do more but that's the basic standard. This may have been reduced in the past few years with the introduction of some pretty good simulators and budget cuts - not sure.

I also think that the quality and realism of the flying hours counts, as does the whole training regime that gets the pilot into the cockpit in the first place. So I guess an indicator of that is how long it takes a pilot from putting on the uniform to strapping on the Jet? Also how effective is the ground based training, simulators, C2 exercises, etc.

I agree with your assessment of the skill levels, 60 hrs a year is only 5 hrs a month, 1 maybe 2 flights a week! You have to hope the simulators are up to speed or you will only be able to maintain the basics, nothing fancy at all. Even 100 hrs a year is only 9 hrs a month, 2 flights a week.

B

[RoryAndersonCDT]

Putin just finished.

[VFA41_Lion]

I heard Putin's press conference was bizarre, to say the least.

[NakedWeasel]

So apparently, Russia blinked, and this is quickly cooling down? Praise the Buddha! I haven't been quite so concerned of nuclear confrontation, since I was actually learning about the real devices, back when I could "neither confirm, nor deny the presence of said devices aboard USS Abraham Lincoln." [;)]

Pay no attention to the man in the inflatable canary suit behind the plastic curtain...