Pelton (GHC) vs chaos45 T-131 Russian Victory

[Peltonx]

Turn 51 GHC Armaments: 10,000 Manpower: 35,000 VP: 222

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 1
Divisions: 35
Brigades: 10
SU:
AP total: 420
Stavka OOB: 6,973,000 + 80,000
GHC OOB: 4,029,000 93,000

AGN grabs another hex and I ties up more units

[Peltonx]

AGC destroys 3 infantry divisions then closes the southern pocket + 3 more infantry divisions.
1st PG moves south to help exploit the weak spot in the south. This will add allot of added punch, I am hoping Stavka sticks around with all the cav corp. might be able to pocket them next turn.

[Peltonx]

Turn 52 GHC Armaments: 10,000 Manpower: 35,000 VP: 222

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 1
Divisions: 35
Brigades: 10
SU:
AP total: 420
Stavka OOB: 7,040,000 + 67,000
GHC OOB: 4,020,000 -9,000

AGN sucks up more Stavka units. Guess they are defending the trees because I don't see any manpower centers? Intel has gotten info that
Stalin is cring a river about lack of manpower, guess he should defend the manpower centers and not the trees.

[Peltonx]

AGC recloses the pocket with even more units inside, 14 divisions, 3 brigades and 3rd Guards Cav Corp. Summer is still 2 turns away.

[M60A3TTS]

If you trapped his units on the Volkhov, I'm confiscating his Party card. [;)]

[MattFL]

Long way to go. Germans failed Barbarossa (as historical) but are pressing along the northern and southern fronts and the Russians are fighting/standing fast when they should probably be falling back given how much land they have to give up. I don't see the logic of holding the North other than the fact that long lines always favor the SHC as they have so many more units. But based on the T-52 Screen of the North, it's looking like time to get out of there.

Curiosly Pelton posts no screens of the Moscow front....

[chaos45]

Because he lost ground there for a long time is why [8D]

Center is pretty static now but I forced him to deploy alot more infantry there than he wanted.

Also as to holding useless ground- well...If I give up my lines at leningrad thats just further to re-take later and Im still holding Novgorod there- thats 10 Manpower lol plus some small villages that im sure give me a couple squads. Plus I'm making the fascist pay in blood- at least as much as this weak-ass combat system allows lol. An I bet he runs out of Finns in the North before I run out of Soviets [:)]

As to this fight in the south-yes it was pointless kinda- however If I gave in and retreated when July hit he would have been at Stalingrad-that was unacceptable and losing a couple hundred K troops was worthwhile to prevent the loss of that much ground IMO. Time works against the Germans I replace 100K+ troops per week basically so as long as Im not losing overall more than 100k per week on average Im winning. As my OOB is 7M and thats enough to stay in the game and overtime my units will get better his worse. So its all about buying time really and trying to stay as close to Berlin as possible.

I still have a rail line in the north- thats all that matters. If I lose all the rail lines then of course I might have to fall back- but I consider his odds of getting all the rail lines slim but who knows im surprised against lvl 2-3 forts and max stacked hexes he can still make progress but is slowly.

Oh also your comment about best troops at leningrad- na they are just some guards divisions lol- I have over 80+ guard rifle divisions, 4 guard tank corps, and like 16 Guard cav corps now...so guard rifle divisions are common.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: chaos45

Because he lost ground there for a long time is why [8D]

Center is pretty static now but I forced him to deploy alot more infantry there than he wanted.

Also as to holding useless ground- well...If I give up my lines at leningrad thats just further to re-take later and Im still holding Novgorod there- thats 10 Manpower lol plus some small villages that im sure give me a couple squads. Plus I'm making the fascist pay in blood- at least as much as this weak-ass combat system allows lol. An I bet he runs out of Finns in the North before I run out of Soviets [:)]

As to this fight in the south-yes it was pointless kinda- however If I gave in and retreated when July hit he would have been at Stalingrad-that was unacceptable and losing a couple hundred K troops was worthwhile to prevent the loss of that much ground IMO. Time works against the Germans I replace 100K+ troops per week basically so as long as Im not losing overall more than 100k per week on average Im winning. As my OOB is 7M and thats enough to stay in the game and overtime my units will get better his worse. So its all about buying time really and trying to stay as close to Berlin as possible.

I still have a rail line in the north- thats all that matters. If I lose all the rail lines then of course I might have to fall back- but I consider his odds of getting all the rail lines slim but who knows im surprised against lvl 2-3 forts and max stacked hexes he can still make progress but is slowly.

Oh also your comment about best troops at leningrad- na they are just some guards divisions lol- I have over 80+ guard rifle divisions, 4 guard tank corps, and like 16 Guard cav corps now...so guard rifle divisions are common.

I though by all your whining you had lost the war and was in full retreat to China?

As I told you game is WAD, just because it is not working just like want it to does not mean its broken.

It gets the same result as historical, but in a little different way.

Personally I like it as is, because if a good player plays someone average to poor they can win quickly and not waste allot of time and the loser can learn from their mistakes and play better the next game.

New German players simply get smoked quickly not many good one left.

Nerfing logistics more other then fuel drops is a mistake and Red Army 44-45 needs a nerf mainly the rifle Corps or German infantry need a few more CV.

+ all the 100 or so bugs morvael and Denniss have fixed.

they need to post .05 so peeps can look at the minor changes and chat about it.

[chaos45]

I would like to see .05

Not the expert you are at the Germans/logistics but a 5mp nerf to German logistics maybe a step to far esp with fuel drops being reduced in effectiveness. Perhaps just implement fuel drops for now and see how how 1941 goes.

[Peltonx]

Turn 53 GHC Armaments: 10,000 Manpower: 35,000 VP: 222

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 2
Divisions: 49
Brigades: 13
SU:
AP total: 615
Stavka OOB: 6,930,000 -110,000
GHC OOB: 4,017,000 -3,000

Ok the start of summer operations have begun, the heat is on.

AGN looking to cut the last 2 rail lines, 16th Army managed to cut the southern most line.

[Peltonx]

AGC cuts off 6 divisions, but they get out this turn. Its time to clear out Tula pocket or just keep packmaning?

[Peltonx]

Turn 54 GHC Armaments: 10,000 Manpower: 35,000 VP: 222

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 2
Divisions: 49
Brigades: 13
SU:
AP total: 615
Stavka OOB: 6,990,000 +60,000
GHC OOB: 3,986,000 -20,000

North

[Peltonx]

7 tank Corp, 5 Cav Corp and another 37 divisions and regiments in a mega pocket.

This was game set match, but I did not stick to my tried and true 42 strategy. I had 7 other panzer division on other areas of the front instead of all together.

My bad, play on.

[Peltonx]

Turn 55 GHC Armaments: 10,000 Manpower: 35,000 VP: 222

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 2
Divisions: 49
Brigades: 13
SU:
AP total: 615
Stavka OOB: 7,040,000 +50,000
GHC OOB: 3,984,000 -2,000


Turn 55 July 2nd 1942

Pelton vs smokendave Russian OOB: 7,743,000
Pelton vs Chaos45 Stavka OOB: 7,040,000


AGC regroups and does 4 HQBU’s. I Corp arrives and XXXX Panzer Corp with 4 more Panzer Divisions. Stavka is strong per units, but the lines are very thin one good pocket or a few small ones and OKH should be able to roll up the rest of the front.

[Peltonx]

Turn 57 GHC Armaments: 10,000 Manpower: 35,000 VP: 223

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 2
Divisions: 56
Brigades: 27
AP total: 755

Stavka OOB: 7,010,000 -30,000
GHC OOB: 3,969,000 -15,000

AGC destroys 7 divisions and 14 brigades and fuels up for next operation. Stavkas lines look paper thin as most of the good units are Oka north. Time to clear Oka south.

[Peltonx]

Turn 63 GHC Armaments: 10,000 Manpower: 35,000 VP: 224

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 5
Divisions: 67
Brigades: 29
AP total: 965

Stavka OOB: 7,118,000 +11,000
GHC OOB: 3,902,000 -13,000

The Tula offensive did not achieve its goals as far as gaining space, but 3 Corp/11 divisions/2 brigades were pocketed.
The min-strategic goal of 42 of 1000+ AP being destroyed should easly be reached during this operation.

Turns 61-64 were used to strengthened the lines and to reorganized the panzer units so a new offensive can be lunched.
The goals of this operation will be:

1. Keep the strategic initiative until mud hits, so that another strategic operation can be launched during the winter.
2. Pocket as many units as possible so Red Army remains weak unit wise aka paper thin lines other then where Stavka's
mobile reserves are so launching offensives to pocket units will remain easy to achieve some success to hold the strategic initiative.
3. Keep adding to the truck crunch, this will not take full effect until summer 43.

[Peltonx]

Turn 66 GHC Armaments: 10,000 Manpower: 93,000 VP: 224

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 5
Divisions: 74
Brigades: 30
AP total: 1040

Stavka OOB: 7,238,000 +120,000
GHC OOB: 3,836,000 -46,000

Turns 64 and 65 were basically static while GHC reorganized for a southern operation. This will also free up 3 Germany infantry divisions which I can move to Tula area. This pocket should hold.

Goals are to pocket as many units as possible, over run as many manpower centers as possible as the * drops 30% Jan 1st, draw in Red Armies mobile forces to destroy as many trucks as possible by routing them whenever possible. These will all help delay the building of Red Army 2.0. Panzer forces are still strong, GHC did several HQBU’s this turn and allot of air drops.

[Peltonx]

Turn 67 GHC Armaments: 5,000 Manpower: 73,000 VP: 227

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 5
Divisions: 76
Brigades: 30
AP total: 1060

Stavka OOB: 7,276,000 +37,000
GHC OOB: 3,860,000 +24,000

Stavka reopens the pocket and GHC reseals it. 6 more panzer divisions have arrived, this is the first time I have had almost all the panzer units in one area. If I can finish this off 4 more will be put into the operation. No pressure is being put on any other area of the front.

OOB is doing nicely despite very heavy fighting and tank loses are light. Manpower pool looks great, the combat ratio over the last few turns is 10 to 1 ratio in loses AFV loses. No real pressure on armaments other then up grades.

[Peltonx]

Turn 68 GHC Armaments: 10,000 Manpower: 65,000 VP: 228

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 5
Divisions: 84
Brigades: 42
AP total: 1200

Stavka OOB: 7,188,000 -88,000
GHC OOB: 3,863,000 +3,000

GHC clears the pocket then smashes Stavka tank forces to the east. Pocketing 3 tank Corps, routing 9 more Tank Corp, 6 other divisions, 2 artillery brigades and 6 AB¡¦s full of planes. The Russian tank units to the south of the bulge are far from any railheads. A great turn burning 1000¡¦s of trucks and now Stavka has to decide to withdraw or keep taking a beating. The 3 Corp are the bait I will keep fishing ƒº, he has to take the bait.

[Peltonx]

Turn 69 GHC Armaments: 10,000 Manpower: 60,000 VP: 228

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 51
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 19
Factories: T-34 -60 Vehicles -25 SU2-12
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp: 5
Divisions: 84
Brigades: 42
AP total: 1200

Stavka OOB: 7,209,000 +21,000
GHC OOB: 3,884,000 +21,000

Stavka takes the bait and more Red Tank Corp get routed, yes I do love the smell of burning trucks in the fall .

GHC baits the hook again, I do like fishing.