2by3+
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
I'm fine for this weekend. Drking, just ping me as soon as you've done your turn so I can start mine.
Drakken, instead of spending AP to transfer 5A to you, should I just use it to defend the Dnepr from Gomel to Mogilev? We'd have to see the turn first but that might be more efficient?
By the way Drakken, congrats on 10 years on the Matrix Forum! I just noticed in 10/3/2007 in your handle on the left.
Drakken, instead of spending AP to transfer 5A to you, should I just use it to defend the Dnepr from Gomel to Mogilev? We'd have to see the turn first but that might be more efficient?
By the way Drakken, congrats on 10 years on the Matrix Forum! I just noticed in 10/3/2007 in your handle on the left.
RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
10 years wtg Drakken now you need to learn how to be a super lurker
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
A few questions for our air marshal:
- Should we be doing our own recon missions or are you doing them for us?
- Would you be so kind as to bomb the dickens out of every armored division you see? Also their rail head in the north if you can figure out where it is.
- If you are retreating your air units, please leave one in the vicinity of my front line with some fighters on it so it can cover my movement. I'll either move it for you after I'm done with my guys to wherever you want it or pass the turn back to you.
Thanks
- Should we be doing our own recon missions or are you doing them for us?
- Would you be so kind as to bomb the dickens out of every armored division you see? Also their rail head in the north if you can figure out where it is.
- If you are retreating your air units, please leave one in the vicinity of my front line with some fighters on it so it can cover my movement. I'll either move it for you after I'm done with my guys to wherever you want it or pass the turn back to you.
Thanks
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
Dear STAVKA,
It would be nice if I could have a better Front commander for Northwest Front. I note that Koniev is the commander of North Caucasus Front. I know it's a lot of AP so I'm not insisting. Maybe when we get a big influx of AP later on.
It would be nice if I could have a better Front commander for Northwest Front. I note that Koniev is the commander of North Caucasus Front. I know it's a lot of AP so I'm not insisting. Maybe when we get a big influx of AP later on.
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
ORIGINAL: thedoctorking
Dear STAVKA,
It would be nice if I could have a better Front commander for Northwest Front. I note that Koniev is the commander of North Caucasus Front. I know it's a lot of AP so I'm not insisting. Maybe when we get a big influx of AP later on.
Granted.
RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
When soviet logistics is done will the file say done ? and I assume there will be new turn orders or do we execute last instructions again ?
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
ORIGINAL: wallas
When soviet logistics is done will the file say done ? and I assume there will be new turn orders or do we execute last instructions again ?
Well damned, I just noticed that the turn is ready for the Soviets since yesterday. [:o]
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
From: Deputy Chief of Staff Drakken, STAVKA, Smolensk
To: General of the Army thedoctorking, Northern Front; General of the Army psych0, Southern Front; General of the Air Force wallas, VVS Air Commander
July 3rd, 1941
Situation critical in Southern Sector. the Nazi Panzer Group South has veered southward, completely overrunning Proskurov. This has created a huge pocket surrounding half of standing divisions of Southwestern Front, plus a small part of Southern Front that cover the Carpathian frontier.
Evacuate everything at once toward the Dnepr river, making a retreat in step to slow down the Fascists while you build your Main Line of Resistance along the Dnepr. Your first objective is to preserve your army. The aim is not make a stand at those temporary lines, but to buy time as you bring reinforcements to the Dnepr and build your forts.
The Dnepr, however is to be held and fought for. Make the Fascists pay in blood for every meter they pass over the River!
I requested Comrade Stalin to send Commissar Nikita Khrushchev to assist you - and ensure you do not fail in your mission. He will also bring your confidential mapplan below approved by STAVKA, for your eyes only.
Southern Front Plan
In the North, Panzer Divisions are bottled inside the swamp area north of Peipus Lake, while the enemy movements are unknown in front of Pskov. Start building a line of defence behind the Luga River with reinforcements, while manning the Narva line with sufficient troops to keep the line strong.
Do not forget to put a good division with a lot of construction value in Pavlovo, since this the last line of defence for Osinovets. This is critical: If Osivonets is lost, Leningrad is lost.
On your request for GM Ivan Konev, STAVKA has overruled my decision and denied your request. We submit, instead, to send Marshall Semyon Timochenko. OR, you can wait until Comrade Stalin is in a better mood to resubmit your request. (OOC: Konev is currently unavailable to be assigned from North Caucasus. He should be later).
In the Centre, the whole line is holding firm, even in the landbridge. Next to no movement from the Fascist armoured and motorized divisions, except a small skirmish that has cleared the northern road to Vitebsk. Reclaim at once to prevent easy movement toward the city.
Minsk is still holding. This, together with the dwindling pockets being liquidated by the Nazis, assuredly hinders their supply lines to the Centre. [&o]
Instruction for Air Command: Recon in priority in the area in front of Pskov and up in Estonia. We need to know what forces are committed for Pskov, so that General of the Army thedoctorking may evaluate what strength he should leave to defend Pskov.
To: General of the Army thedoctorking, Northern Front; General of the Army psych0, Southern Front; General of the Air Force wallas, VVS Air Commander
July 3rd, 1941
Situation critical in Southern Sector. the Nazi Panzer Group South has veered southward, completely overrunning Proskurov. This has created a huge pocket surrounding half of standing divisions of Southwestern Front, plus a small part of Southern Front that cover the Carpathian frontier.
Evacuate everything at once toward the Dnepr river, making a retreat in step to slow down the Fascists while you build your Main Line of Resistance along the Dnepr. Your first objective is to preserve your army. The aim is not make a stand at those temporary lines, but to buy time as you bring reinforcements to the Dnepr and build your forts.
The Dnepr, however is to be held and fought for. Make the Fascists pay in blood for every meter they pass over the River!
I requested Comrade Stalin to send Commissar Nikita Khrushchev to assist you - and ensure you do not fail in your mission. He will also bring your confidential mapplan below approved by STAVKA, for your eyes only.
Southern Front Plan
In the North, Panzer Divisions are bottled inside the swamp area north of Peipus Lake, while the enemy movements are unknown in front of Pskov. Start building a line of defence behind the Luga River with reinforcements, while manning the Narva line with sufficient troops to keep the line strong.
Do not forget to put a good division with a lot of construction value in Pavlovo, since this the last line of defence for Osinovets. This is critical: If Osivonets is lost, Leningrad is lost.
On your request for GM Ivan Konev, STAVKA has overruled my decision and denied your request. We submit, instead, to send Marshall Semyon Timochenko. OR, you can wait until Comrade Stalin is in a better mood to resubmit your request. (OOC: Konev is currently unavailable to be assigned from North Caucasus. He should be later).
In the Centre, the whole line is holding firm, even in the landbridge. Next to no movement from the Fascist armoured and motorized divisions, except a small skirmish that has cleared the northern road to Vitebsk. Reclaim at once to prevent easy movement toward the city.
Minsk is still holding. This, together with the dwindling pockets being liquidated by the Nazis, assuredly hinders their supply lines to the Centre. [&o]
Instruction for Air Command: Recon in priority in the area in front of Pskov and up in Estonia. We need to know what forces are committed for Pskov, so that General of the Army thedoctorking may evaluate what strength he should leave to defend Pskov.
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
AP Available: 50
North: 20
Centre: 20
South: 10
Cap available: 131,290
North: 10,000
Centre: 10,000
South: 30,000
Reserve: 10,000
Evacuation : 71,290
Cap allocation ration is to be strictly respected, because we need to start evacuating industries and factories to the Urals.
DO NOT USE MORE THAN YOU NEED. Tired men are replacable; industries and factories are not.
If you really, really need more Cap, especially in the South, please request a finite lump number for my approval.
North: 20
Centre: 20
South: 10
Cap available: 131,290
North: 10,000
Centre: 10,000
South: 30,000
Reserve: 10,000
Evacuation : 71,290
Cap allocation ration is to be strictly respected, because we need to start evacuating industries and factories to the Urals.
DO NOT USE MORE THAN YOU NEED. Tired men are replacable; industries and factories are not.
If you really, really need more Cap, especially in the South, please request a finite lump number for my approval.
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
Turn is on Dropbox for wallas to make his move as Air Commander.
Remember the proper turn order:
1. SupCom
2. AirCom
3. Centre
4. North
5. South
6. SupCom (Evac + Support units)
Remember the proper turn order:
1. SupCom
2. AirCom
3. Centre
4. North
5. South
6. SupCom (Evac + Support units)
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
ORIGINAL: wallas
10 years wtg Drakken now you need to learn how to be a super lurker
Most of the time, I was not even active on the forum anyway. I am, in fact, a super lurker [:'(]
RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
ORIGINAL: Drakken
AP Available: 50
North: 20
Centre: 20
South: 10
Drakken do not forget about air for AP we need them to build new air regiments, replace incompetent commanders, build regiments, disband etc etc. For example air transport regiments we have one in the field but enough in reserve to build a few more, rinse and repeat with mig 3 etc etc.
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
I don't know if we can build new air regiments yet, I think that starts turn 5 or so, but I agree that air command should get some AP. We should be able to start moving factories soon.
BTW, on rail moves of factories, we must move the tank factories out of Leningrad as soon as we can. Those factories are crucial for our rebound capacity in 1942. If the south is collapsing we can make Dnepropetrovsk and such a priority for a turn or two but let's not let Leningrad get cut off with those factories still inside.
BTW, on rail moves of factories, we must move the tank factories out of Leningrad as soon as we can. Those factories are crucial for our rebound capacity in 1942. If the south is collapsing we can make Dnepropetrovsk and such a priority for a turn or two but let's not let Leningrad get cut off with those factories still inside.
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
Looking at the private messages, I see that there's an issue in another multi-player game with a player from one team looking in at the other side's forum. If you wanted to do it as a cheat, you could easily open the forums without logging in and look at it as "guest", so I don't think that the obvious visit in the other game was intentional cheating.
I should say that I entered our opponents' room by mistake a week or so ago, looking for insight from a different game as to potential German lines of play, realized my mistake, and navigated away to a different forum. Nobody seems to have noticed, or they realized I was only there for a minute or less and that the intrusion was unintentional. I think we have to give our opponents the same sort of benefit of the doubt. If they suddenly develop supernatural insight into our strategies, then I might reconsider but for now we should assume our opponents are honorable people who want to have fun playing the game.
I should say that I entered our opponents' room by mistake a week or so ago, looking for insight from a different game as to potential German lines of play, realized my mistake, and navigated away to a different forum. Nobody seems to have noticed, or they realized I was only there for a minute or less and that the intrusion was unintentional. I think we have to give our opponents the same sort of benefit of the doubt. If they suddenly develop supernatural insight into our strategies, then I might reconsider but for now we should assume our opponents are honorable people who want to have fun playing the game.
RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
ORIGINAL: thedoctorking
I agree that air command should get some AP. We should be able to start moving factories soon.
BTW, on rail moves of factories, we must move the tank factories out of Leningrad as soon as we can. Those factories are crucial for our rebound capacity in 1942. If the south is collapsing we can make Dnepropetrovsk and such a priority for a turn or two but let's not let Leningrad get cut off with those factories still inside.
My thoughts on this is spend the rail moving vehicle and armaments then heavy industry. As for tanks, planes, armoured cars, etc just move one unit and we wait for them re replenish. Slower yes but long term more effective I think. If we stall the axis scum with our superior soldiers then assign excess rail to this endeavour. Supreme command I would rather you move everyone of my air factories at 1 unit then loose any !
RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
South commander I air supplied as much supply as possible onto your 6th army headquarters in the south pocket. Sorry no Li-2 air transports to transport fuel. I manually directed all air recon as per supreme commanders requests. Please be advised many bomber units have been sent to reserve for reorganization. Please also be advised that Moscow air command will be getting my focus over the coming turns. Supreme commander since I have not received any AP I would suggest with your AP you disband the Baltic air command HQ and any SAD HQ to save cartage.
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
ORIGINAL: wallas
South commander I air supplied as much supply as possible onto your 6th army headquarters in the south pocket. Sorry no Li-2 air transports to transport fuel. I manually directed all air recon as per supreme commanders requests. Please be advised many bomber units have been sent to reserve for reorganization. Please also be advised that Moscow air command will be getting my focus over the coming turns. Supreme commander since I have not received any AP I would suggest with your AP your disband the Baltic air command HQ and any SAD HQ to save cartage.
Suggestion received, I will take a look into this later today.
Centre will be done by tonight.
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
Unfortunately, I do not possess remnant troops in the pocket that are close enough from Vilnius to cut their remaining supply line. This means that the Centre can be supplied only by the Konigsberg-Kaunas-Vilnius railroad line. Let us hope it will clog their unconverted railroad line and still hurt their troops' supply and fuel. [:(]
Supply Line
This means that it will get violent in the Centre next turn. However, it will be T4 and they haven't event crossed the Dvina yet, so their 2-turn starting impetus is gone and we have bought precious time here.
Most of my strong points are around or over 20 Defense CV, so those will have to be Deliberate-Attacked to be displaced. Smolensk, meanwhile, is a rock.
I have brought Divisions from the rear to plug the remaining holes and begin building the Smolensk's MLR near Demidov. Meanwhile The bulk of the Moscow PM divisions are building forts in front of Moscow.
Purkaev is given command of 31st Army. Lukin in 16th Army will be next to be fired, if there remains enough AP.
I decided that Gomel itself is too vulnerable to be encircled if the Germains pierces through Zlobin. I have thus retreated the stronghold behind the river.
I won't hide that I am scared to death of a HQBU here. Even if they had next to no supply next turn, I do not know if it influences anything.
Centre situation
Moscow T3
Centre Turn is done and on Dropbox
Supply Line
This means that it will get violent in the Centre next turn. However, it will be T4 and they haven't event crossed the Dvina yet, so their 2-turn starting impetus is gone and we have bought precious time here.
Most of my strong points are around or over 20 Defense CV, so those will have to be Deliberate-Attacked to be displaced. Smolensk, meanwhile, is a rock.
I have brought Divisions from the rear to plug the remaining holes and begin building the Smolensk's MLR near Demidov. Meanwhile The bulk of the Moscow PM divisions are building forts in front of Moscow.
Purkaev is given command of 31st Army. Lukin in 16th Army will be next to be fired, if there remains enough AP.
I decided that Gomel itself is too vulnerable to be encircled if the Germains pierces through Zlobin. I have thus retreated the stronghold behind the river.
I won't hide that I am scared to death of a HQBU here. Even if they had next to no supply next turn, I do not know if it influences anything.
Centre situation
Moscow T3
Centre Turn is done and on Dropbox
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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
So, for Evac:
- 1 point of each 'named' factory from Leningrad, Moscow, Voronezh (In fact, I would move to have all of the IL2 factories evacuated from Voronezh, since they are producing Sturmoviks right now, most of our air regiments are in reserve anyway, and they'll need time to get set up).
- All Vehicles from Leningrad
- Armamaent and HI, but starting from behind the Bryansk line, because they have the higher concentrations of industries there, and we will need time to safeguard them all.
- If Cap can be spared, Gomel will be evacuated. I leave nothing to the Krauts.
- 1 point of each 'named' factory from Leningrad, Moscow, Voronezh (In fact, I would move to have all of the IL2 factories evacuated from Voronezh, since they are producing Sturmoviks right now, most of our air regiments are in reserve anyway, and they'll need time to get set up).
- All Vehicles from Leningrad
- Armamaent and HI, but starting from behind the Bryansk line, because they have the higher concentrations of industries there, and we will need time to safeguard them all.
- If Cap can be spared, Gomel will be evacuated. I leave nothing to the Krauts.
RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter.
Re evac; why wouldn't we evac from nearest the front. Try and give the Germans nothing, nada, zip, zilch. Leningrad, Moscow and Voronezh we have plenty time for. The ones most at risk at the moment are Odessa, Kirovograd and Gomel. With our remaining rail cap we can evac all A & HI. Maybe leave some A behind in Gomel as I need to rail back a couple divs from the far south near Rumania.

