Originally posted by madflava13
Chiteng,
I guess I'm going to have to admit confusion here. Of course sources disagree. That's why it's important to read a number of sources. Maybe I misread the gist of this post by you, but isn't the whole purpose of us debating here to try and find some consensus? You make it seem like I have some sinister goal with regards to how this game will be designed. If I found a source that showed B-17s making X number of hits on average against Y number of ships, and it was a source that you could look at and back up with other sources, wouldn't that be a good thing? I mean it might not be the answer you or me or whomever wanted to see, but if we could find sources that did give an answer, that would be the goal we're going for, correct? It seems to me, and I admit this is what I took from your post, not any fact I can prove, but it seems to me that you just don't want anyone to prove you wrong.
I'm certainly not smart enough to hatch an evil plot to subvert 2by3/Matrix programmers. I've been trying to for some time, but the force is strong with Mr. Grigsby...
No I didnt suggest a conspiracy either =)
There are several issues that cause what you see.
Some people simply dont like what I have to say. Mdeihl is
a good example. In my world, if you see something you dont like
You 'might' make a comment that you dont agree, and then move on. Oddly enough, that isnt what happens here.
Then there are people that are delibretly trying to 'impose' their vision of not only what the game should be, but attempt to preclude any deviation from that vision. Pasternaski is such a poster. However I have played Gary's games for many years
and I dont think Gary is quite so foolish as to allow one person
to predjudice a design.
Then there are the people who simply are bored and see a fight and want to participate. That is by far the most common post I see. I dont respect such people because boredom isnt a good enough excuse for some of the things I see posted.
Some people I could forgive (like Mdeihl) is they would only be civil. But he refuses. I can only control 'my' actions not his.
He sees what I have to say as somehow 'threatening' the 'real truth' as he sees it. (ie Japan and Germany never had any substantive edge throughout the war)
I obviously dont agree, so there is a clash. However I am civil,
even when I dont agree.
Other people for whatever reason just want to see me taken down, any way they can do it. I have already said the easiest
way to do that is quote JFD in a manner that supports your argument. But no one ever does that.
Otherwise, the struggle goes on.
I dont wish to see a game dominated by B-17 that never get shot down and can hit ships at sea.
It is obvious (to me) that a ship moving at 33 knots is harder
to hit than one moving at 5 knots. But is there anything
in the game engine that suggests that reality is part of the game?
Who knows? It isnt documented.
The B-17 was an EXPENSIVE weapon system, its wasnt risked
casually.
To use it in such a manner is ahistorical.
“It is clear that the individual who persecutes a man, his brother, because he is not of the same opinion, is a monster.”
Voltaire
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