For what little my opinion matters I would not be in favor of anyone trying to make a WitP2. If you like this game and its scale and format a brand new game should be made from scratch. I have seen too many arguments on other game forums about making updated/new editions of old games and it never works out. Too many fans of old mechanisms who insist they must be retained as is, or changes that must be made in specific ways. A blank slate is the best way to make an enjoyable game that is not tied down in endless comparisons to the earlier versions.
As an example, the Torpedo rule. In what battle did Halsey have to sail his task force around Cape Horn because the only torpedoes in the Allied inventory where at the Norfolk Navy Yard? That is a perfect example of something in the game that does not belong in a game of this scale. Like that old sub simulator game where a common method of losing your sub was the crew starving to death because you as the Captain were not checking the spam supply. Like the cook never mentioned that the sub is running low? Every Allied base above some specific size has infinite torpedoes, easy.
War in the Pacific 2?
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fcooke
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RE: War in the Pacific 2?
Which sub game was that? I have all the classic sub games (or at least I think I did). In any case, shortage of torps was a real problem early in the war, and losing the ones in the PI really put a crimp in things. A lot of subs went on patrol with partial loads or mines instead, or mixed loads. Hey - can't do the the mixed load thing in AE - the game is borked!
RE: War in the Pacific 2?
ORIGINAL: fcooke
Which sub game was that? I have all the classic sub games (or at least I think I did). In any case, shortage of torps was a real problem early in the war, and losing the ones in the PI really put a crimp in things. A lot of subs went on patrol with partial loads or mines instead, or mixed loads. Hey - can't do the the mixed load thing in AE - the game is borked!
You are mistaken my friend. When you send a regular sub out with mines, there is still a torpedo for every tube. There are just no torpedoes for reloading.
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I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
; Julia Child-
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RE: War in the Pacific 2?
The game is borked! How can you lay mines if there are torps in the tubes? [:D] I haven't played in a while but defensive torps would make sense. I have been meaning to start a game again, but even being retired now it seems like there is always work to do. Perhaps I had better time management skills when I was working......
RE: War in the Pacific 2?
ORIGINAL: fcooke
The game is borked! How can you lay mines if there are torps in the tubes? [:D] I haven't played in a while but defensive torps would make sense. I have been meaning to start a game again, but even being retired now it seems like there is always work to do. Perhaps I had better time management skills when I was working......
The crew can unload the torpedoes from the tubes and did so to work on them. Sometimes the alcohol would disappear. [;)]
But just keep one tube loaded and ready to fire while laying the mines.Seek peace but keep your gun handy.
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
; Julia Child
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
; Julia ChildRE: War in the Pacific 2?
ORIGINAL: fcooke
Which sub game was that? I have all the classic sub games (or at least I think I did). In any case, shortage of torps was a real problem early in the war, and losing the ones in the PI really put a crimp in things. A lot of subs went on patrol with partial loads or mines instead, or mixed loads. Hey - can't do the the mixed load thing in AE - the game is borked!
I believe it was "Gato" on the Atari ST. Mid 1980's.
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RE: War in the Pacific 2?
That one I do not have. In the mid 80s I was running a C64. The game that got the most use was 'Fleet Strike'. Fun game, and surprisingly good graphics for the day.
RE: War in the Pacific 2?
ORIGINAL: Yaab
ORIGINAL: elxaime
I only asked because they had made a WITE 2 and I was curious. I didn't expect this level of hostility. I won't be posting here again, don't worry.
But have you been to the dark place, when your post is dissed by Alfred and Bullwinkle at the same time?
Jokes aside, I marvel how they had pulled off WITP:AE in the first place. THE FORUM WONDERS.
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RE: War in the Pacific 2?
I want I want I want...
Tigercub
Tigercub
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life
RE: War in the Pacific 2?
It has been 10 years in our wanting. Plus 5 years since the last update. The silence from Matrix speaks volumes to our Fan base and desires as game owners.
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RE: War in the Pacific 2?
ORIGINAL: Mifune
It has been 10 years in our wanting. Plus 5 years since the last update. The silence from Matrix speaks volumes to our Fan base and desires as game owners.
In all of that time, what have you personally done to make it happen? I mean, start writing exactly what you want and then start writing the code to do it? Or funding such a project out of your petty cash!
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RE: War in the Pacific 2?
Yes, AE was WITP 2 ... so will there ever be an AE 3 ? THE WORLD WONDERS !!?? 
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RE: War in the Pacific 2?
ORIGINAL: Yaab
Can't DOD finance this game? Can't Congress legislate that WITP:AE 2 is a national heritage or something? Get Nicholas Cage to promote this new national treasure?
What do you need?
RE: War in the Pacific 2?
ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
Yes, AE was WITP 2 ... so will there ever be an AE 3 ? THE WORLD WONDERS !!??
I imagine that at some point in time another good game on WWII Pacific will be made, but I doubt like this one. Maybe something that won't take years to play.
But when it comes to this game I make the same admonishment I always do, 'Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it'.[:(]
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. Hume
In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche
Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb
In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche
Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb
RE: War in the Pacific 2?
Ok what a war in the Pacific needs! and what it don't need.
1.Army units like in WITE2 land war was by far the poorest part of WITP, WITP AE
2.Production for Japan and Allies can have some power to change things but not take it over.
3.All warships and planes Key.
4.Planes no need to set Altitude air leader does that with experience. spent have my life changing Altitude of planes.(and not like WITE2)
5.Victory Point system similar WITE2 as the one in WITPAE not putting pressure on the Allies at all.
6.Better Graphics and sounds.
Tigercub
1.Army units like in WITE2 land war was by far the poorest part of WITP, WITP AE
2.Production for Japan and Allies can have some power to change things but not take it over.
3.All warships and planes Key.
4.Planes no need to set Altitude air leader does that with experience. spent have my life changing Altitude of planes.(and not like WITE2)
5.Victory Point system similar WITE2 as the one in WITPAE not putting pressure on the Allies at all.
6.Better Graphics and sounds.
Tigercub
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life
RE: War in the Pacific 2?
Number 3 already exists in the game - three buttons on the top of the map screen.ORIGINAL: tigercub
Ok what a war in the Pacific needs! and what it don't need.
1.Army units like in WITE2 land war was by far the poorest part of WITP, WITP AE
2.Production for Japan and Allies can have some power to change things but not take it over.
3.All warships and planes Key.
4.Planes no need to set Altitude air leader does that with experience. spent have my life changing Altitude of planes.(and not like WITE2)
5.Victory Point system similar WITE2 as the one in WITPAE not putting pressure on the Allies at all.
6.Better Graphics and sounds.
Tigercub
Graphics are just eye candy. I'd like to see an overhead tactical map showing ship movements with the ability for the player to give directional orders. Clarity of ship positions would be dependent on visibility and radar. Not sure what I would want for air battles - I have no desire to fly an aircraft.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
RE: War in the Pacific 2?
land war was by far the poorest part of WITP, WITP AE
Don't forget PacWar. Then again the game is really about the air/sea war, with the land thrown in just because it had to be, in a way.
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. Hume
In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche
Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb
In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche
Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb
RE: War in the Pacific 2?
ORIGINAL: rustysi
land war was by far the poorest part of WITP, WITP AE
Don't forget PacWar. Then again the game is really about the air/sea war, with the land thrown in just because it had to be, in a way.
Well, how is the Naval war depicted in WITE2? That was very important to that theatre.
Seek peace but keep your gun handy.
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
; Julia Child
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
; Julia Child
RE: War in the Pacific 2?
ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
Yes, AE was WITP 2 ... so will there ever be an AE 3 ? THE WORLD WONDERS !!??
Surely not AE3.
Field Marshal’s edition?
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