A discussion about our Community and Moderation.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: DD696

I apologize for not bowing to the Grand Inquisitor for the Altar of Alfred, for I fear that in doing so my posterior may be positioned in an upright manner and Slitherine may take that as evidence of "presenting", or, at the very least, of "posing".

Surely their standards apply equally to both sexes.

Besides, at a military veteran I am much too busy drawing pictures of dicks on walls.

Oh where is a moderator . . .

". . . Grand Inquisitor for the Altar of Alfred, . . . "

It appears that you may have forgot some things . . .

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: mind_messing




And yet, a key principle in virtually every academic setting.

Not just academic either, real life.

That's quite true. I was thinking of the setting of where you can see the distinction clearest.

warspite1

Now, dig out Alfred's responses to Tanaka across all threads. Then try and defend the fact that Alfred wasn't calling Tanaka Stupid and belittling and bullying him in front of the rest of the forum.

If Alfred thought Tanaka always asked stupid questions, why did he feel the need to intervene in the first place? If intervening caused Alfred so much stress and angst, why do it? After all he didn't intervene helpfully did he? So why?

If you've got nothing nice to say then don't say anything.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: mind_messing




And yet, a key principle in virtually every academic setting.

Not just academic either, real life.

That's quite true. I was thinking of the setting of where you can see the distinction clearest.

But he has girls and I am sure that when he told them that they could not do what they wanted to do he heard something like "I HATE YOU!" instead of "I don't like your decision, maybe you could explain it to me but I still love you, Father."

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe




Not just academic either, real life.

That's quite true. I was thinking of the setting of where you can see the distinction clearest.

warspite1

You are both of course correct (as always). Now, dig out Alfred's responses to Tanaka across all threads. Then try and defend the fact that Alfred wasn't calling Tanaka Stupid and belittling and bullying him in front of the rest of the forum.

If Alfred thought Tanaka always asked stupid questions, why did he feel the need to intervene in the first place? If intervening caused Alfred so much stress and angst, why do it? After all he didn't intervene helpfully did he? So why?

If you've got nothing nice to say then don't say anything.

Alfred never did comment when Tanaka asked if single engine dive bombers not equipped as dive bombers could dive bomb . . .

But he did remember the question.

It was pointed out to Tanaka that he needed to think about how to better ask the question including the context. When someone in a thread that Tanaka started asked a better question, then answers were given.

[KenchiSulla]

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

Given all of the above, it's little surprise that two factions formed and divided this community and the toxicity still remains with this picture mess.

Do the two factions realize that they present the extremes (left and right if you will) and that there is a whole bunch of people who refuse to belong to a faction? I wouldn't call it a divided community but more a representation of what is happening all over the world (internet?)... Limited amount of people making a lot of noise trying to convince each other at best but really hurt each other at worst....

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: mind_messing




That's quite true. I was thinking of the setting of where you can see the distinction clearest.

warspite1

You are both of course correct (as always). Now, dig out Alfred's responses to Tanaka across all threads. Then try and defend the fact that Alfred wasn't calling Tanaka Stupid and belittling and bullying him in front of the rest of the forum.

If Alfred thought Tanaka always asked stupid questions, why did he feel the need to intervene in the first place? If intervening caused Alfred so much stress and angst, why do it? After all he didn't intervene helpfully did he? So why?

If you've got nothing nice to say then don't say anything.

Alfred never did comment when Tanaka asked if single engine dive bombers not equipped as dive bombers could dive bomb . . .

But he did remember the question.

It was pointed out to Tanaka that he needed to think about how to better ask the question including the context. When someone in a thread that Tanaka started asked a better question, then answers were given.

warspite1

Not what I asked.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1


warspite1

You are both of course correct (as always). Now, dig out Alfred's responses to Tanaka across all threads. Then try and defend the fact that Alfred wasn't calling Tanaka Stupid and belittling and bullying him in front of the rest of the forum.

If Alfred thought Tanaka always asked stupid questions, why did he feel the need to intervene in the first place? If intervening caused Alfred so much stress and angst, why do it? After all he didn't intervene helpfully did he? So why?

If you've got nothing nice to say then don't say anything.

Alfred never did comment when Tanaka asked if single engine dive bombers not equipped as dive bombers could dive bomb . . .

But he did remember the question.

It was pointed out to Tanaka that he needed to think about how to better ask the question including the context. When someone in a thread that Tanaka started asked a better question, then answers were given.

warspite1

Not what I asked.

Alfred was trying to help Tanaka and others. That is when he answered the questions that he did answer. He did not respond to every question but he probably did remember them since he did bring that one up about non-dive bombers being able to dive bomb. If a person was truly sarcastic, that person could state: "They could probably do it one time and one time only. In the game, certain criteria would have to be met." Then when someone would ask the question about the criteria, then the response would be: "Look up kamikazes!"

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe




Not just academic either, real life.

That's quite true. I was thinking of the setting of where you can see the distinction clearest.

warspite1

Now, dig out Alfred's responses to Tanaka across all threads. Then try and defend the fact that Alfred wasn't calling Tanaka Stupid and belittling and bullying him in front of the rest of the forum.

We've just established that Alfred was clear about the question being asked was stupid. Tanaka converted this into the notion that Alfred was calling him stupid. The facts, in this case, Alfred's post, are quite clear that the comment was directed at the question.

If Alfred thought Tanaka always asked stupid questions, why did he feel the need to intervene in the first place? If intervening caused Alfred so much stress and angst, why do it? After all he didn't intervene helpfully did he? So why?

I can't speak for Alfred, but I certainly had a share of stupid questions in my time. I'd like to think that they became less stupid over time.

If you've got nothing nice to say then don't say anything.

An interesting notion. The world should just stop being critical, in the fear of it being viewed as other than "nice".

One wonders where that would leave topics such as history? Nobody would challenge Fuchida's narrative of Midway, as that would not be "nice", and we'd all be none the wiser as to actual events.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe




Alfred never did comment when Tanaka asked if single engine dive bombers not equipped as dive bombers could dive bomb . . .

But he did remember the question.

It was pointed out to Tanaka that he needed to think about how to better ask the question including the context. When someone in a thread that Tanaka started asked a better question, then answers were given.

warspite1

Not what I asked.

Alfred was trying to help Tanaka and others. That is when he answered the questions that he did answer. He did not respond to every question but he probably did remember them since he did bring that one up about non-dive bombers being able to dive bomb. If a person was truly sarcastic, that person could state: "They could probably do it one time and one time only. In the game, certain criteria would have to be met." Then when someone would ask the question about the criteria, then the response would be: "Look up kamikazes!"

warspite1

Double post

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe




Alfred never did comment when Tanaka asked if single engine dive bombers not equipped as dive bombers could dive bomb . . .

But he did remember the question.

It was pointed out to Tanaka that he needed to think about how to better ask the question including the context. When someone in a thread that Tanaka started asked a better question, then answers were given.

warspite1

Not what I asked.

Alfred was trying to help Tanaka and others. That is when he answered the questions that he did answer. He did not respond to every question but he probably did remember them since he did bring that one up about non-dive bombers being able to dive bomb. If a person was truly sarcastic, that person could state: "They could probably do it one time and one time only. In the game, certain criteria would have to be met." Then when someone would ask the question about the criteria, then the response would be: "Look up kamikazes!"

warspite1

Not what I asked. If you don't want to or can't answer then fine, just don't waste my time with irrelevant noise.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: mind_messing




That's quite true. I was thinking of the setting of where you can see the distinction clearest.

warspite1

Now, dig out Alfred's responses to Tanaka across all threads. Then try and defend the fact that Alfred wasn't calling Tanaka Stupid and belittling and bullying him in front of the rest of the forum.

We've just established that Alfred was clear about the question being asked was stupid. Tanaka converted this into the notion that Alfred was calling him stupid. The facts, in this case, Alfred's post, are quite clear that the comment was directed at the question.

warspite1

You've established nothing of the sort.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1


warspite1

Not what I asked.

Alfred was trying to help Tanaka and others. That is when he answered the questions that he did answer. He did not respond to every question but he probably did remember them since he did bring that one up about non-dive bombers being able to dive bomb. If a person was truly sarcastic, that person could state: "They could probably do it one time and one time only. In the game, certain criteria would have to be met." Then when someone would ask the question about the criteria, then the response would be: "Look up kamikazes!"

warspite1

Not what I asked. If you don't want to or can't answer then fine, just don't waste my time with irrelevant noise.

I did answer the question to the best of my abilities but the best person to respond would be Alfred.

Now, if you can not understand my response, feel free to state that and I will try to explain it in more detail if you would like that.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe




Alfred was trying to help Tanaka and others. That is when he answered the questions that he did answer. He did not respond to every question but he probably did remember them since he did bring that one up about non-dive bombers being able to dive bomb. If a person was truly sarcastic, that person could state: "They could probably do it one time and one time only. In the game, certain criteria would have to be met." Then when someone would ask the question about the criteria, then the response would be: "Look up kamikazes!"

warspite1

Not what I asked. If you don't want to or can't answer then fine, just don't waste my time with irrelevant noise.

I did answer the question to the best of my abilities but the best person to respond would be Alfred.

Now, if you can not understand my response, feel free to state that and I will try to explain it in more detail if you would like that.

warspite1

Except Alfred has chosen not to he here.

I understand your response, but it had nothing to do with my request. M_M thinks nothing of instructing people to go on post hunts (and that if they don't have the time he is, by default correct). So you/he can do the same. Please find me all the posts where Tanaka has asked questions and Alfred has decided to respond. Thank-you.

[Zovs]

It’s quite ironic after 5 pages and 133 post that the subject of this thread shows the civility (or lack there of) of our niche within the niche community.

I still say it’s time to move on life us too short and most of us know how to be civil and respectful towards one another most of us are over 50 for Pete’s sake.

Alfred is gone. Let him RIP and let’s find a new knowledgeable leader to follow and move on.

And we all must follow the new rules, like it or not, Erik owns the site.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1


warspite1

Not what I asked. If you don't want to or can't answer then fine, just don't waste my time with irrelevant noise.

I did answer the question to the best of my abilities but the best person to respond would be Alfred.

Now, if you can not understand my response, feel free to state that and I will try to explain it in more detail if you would like that.

warspite1

Except Alfred has chosen not to he here.

I understand your response, but it had nothing to do with my request. M_M thinks nothing of instructing people to go on post hunts (and that if they don't have the time he is, by default correct). So you/he can do the same. Please find me all the posts where Tanaka has asked questions and Alfred has decided to respond. Thank-you.

That should not take you too long to search since Tanaka only started posting questions about WITP:AE recently. Remember, don't ask someone to do something if you are unwilling to do so. But if you really want a listing of all of the questions that Tanaka has asked, maybe you should start a thread . . .

Alfred was banned by Eric in an admitted violation of the rules . . .

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe




I did answer the question to the best of my abilities but the best person to respond would be Alfred.

Now, if you can not understand my response, feel free to state that and I will try to explain it in more detail if you would like that.

warspite1

Except Alfred has chosen not to he here.

I understand your response, but it had nothing to do with my request. M_M thinks nothing of instructing people to go on post hunts (and that if they don't have the time he is, by default correct). So you/he can do the same. Please find me all the posts where Tanaka has asked questions and Alfred has decided to respond. Thank-you.

That should not take you too long to search since Tanaka only started posting questions about WITP:AE recently. Remember, don't ask someone to do something if you are unwilling to do so. But if you really want a listing of all of the questions that Tanaka has asked, maybe you should start a thread . . .

Alfred was banned by Eric in an admitted violation of the rules . . .

warspite1

Alfred was banned after breaching forum rules. Erik has said he should have got a warning, but the ban was deserved so there you go.

[Yaab]

ORIGINAL: Zovs

It’s quite ironic after 5 pages and 133 post that the subject of this thread shows the civility (or lack there of) of our niche within the niche community.

I still say it’s time to move on life us too short and most of us know how to be civil and respectful towards one another most of us are over 50 for Pete’s sake.

Alfred is gone. Let him RIP and let’s find a new knowledgeable leader to follow and move on.

And we all must follow the new rules, like it or not, Erik owns the site.

So who owns Alfred's posts now? Because right now, Matrix got rid of the bugger but his WITP:AE knowledge is still available to all. That's some smart business move, if you ask me.

[Zovs]

I would guess technically Matrix owns all our posts.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1


warspite1

Except Alfred has chosen not to he here.

I understand your response, but it had nothing to do with my request. M_M thinks nothing of instructing people to go on post hunts (and that if they don't have the time he is, by default correct). So you/he can do the same. Please find me all the posts where Tanaka has asked questions and Alfred has decided to respond. Thank-you.

That should not take you too long to search since Tanaka only started posting questions about WITP:AE recently. Remember, don't ask someone to do something if you are unwilling to do so. But if you really want a listing of all of the questions that Tanaka has asked, maybe you should start a thread . . .

Alfred was banned by Eric in an admitted violation of the rules . . .

warspite1

Alfred was banned after breaching forum rules. Erik has said he should have got a warning, but the ban was deserved so there you go.

Eric admitted that Alfred did not get a warning first which is part of the rules, then the ban would be in place. Since there was no warning prior to the ban, then the ban was in violation of the rules.

1. Warning for behavior
2. Ban if that certain specified behavior continues
3. Ban for longer periods of time if that specified behavior continues

That is the order which was supposed to have been followed but was not.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Eric admitted that Alfred did not get a warning first which is part of the rules, then the ban would be in place. Since there was no warning prior to the ban, then the ban was in violation of the rules.

1. Warning for behavior
2. Ban if that certain specified behavior continues
3. Ban for longer periods of time if that specified behavior continues

That is the order which was supposed to have been followed but was not.

warspite1

Sorry but why have you just written this out. Erik has admitted this is the case and I confirmed that was my understanding too

I repeat:

Alfred was banned after breaching forum rules. Erik has said he should have got a warning, but the ban was deserved so there you go.