ALLIED ONLY: aztez (A) vs erstad (J) ...2nd ROUND

[aztez]

China (october 19th - 20th 1942)


The peace is definately over here and as expected the enemy started their next advance.

Last turn our recon aircraft spotted some 32 units just south of Kweiyang. No doubt these are his main force.

I'am moving extra troops towards the area immediately.

[aztez]

Oz (october 19th - 20th 1942)


Japanese tank regiments continue their advance towards south.

They are under daily lba bombing runs and thus plenty of tanks have been knocked out of the war already.

US submarine spotted what appeared to be Mini KB leaving the Home Islands. The course was set towards south so I expect them near Oz within couple of weeks.

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: aztez

Burma (october 7th - 14th 1942)


Last turn RAF took heavy losses above the oilfields at Magwe.

RAF bombers went in unescorted since the planned escorts placed at Chittagong and Imphal refused to take off. This was due to bad weather.

Thus the end result was more than 50 bombers destroyed/damaged. The Blenheims took the most severe beating of them all.

Oh, well another thing that did go as planned. This is definately an old dilemma carrying from classic witp. Seen this so many times that didn't even blink an eye. Now that the allied replacements rates have been severely reduced than it will hurt a bit more.

Otherwise no action to report. The allies are preparing for advance towards Cox's Bazar. This base will be recaptured soon.

Yes, this is annoying especially with the low replacement rate for Allied bombers. I would like to see unescorted bombers abort a bit more often rather than getting chewed up like this. Seems a little out of whack.

[Graymane]

Which patch level are you guys at? If you are not on the newer patches, then those pilot will not be recoverable by KB. At any case, this is the first really strategic slip-up made by your opponent. He is gambling most of the KB and a lot of his BBs on territory that isn't going to make him any stronger in the long run. One good strike or a bit of luck by you can ruin his day up there.

[aztez]

crsutton: I agree. It seems somewhat random event with weather effects on. You cannot do too many of those unescorted strikes or you are screwed.
 
This action has definately also shown the japanese really are not lacking any aircraft. (see another combat summary below)
 
Graymane: We are playing with 2nd patch + hotfix so this is the latest version ongoing now.
 
He continued his operations in Aleutians with major invasion landings at Dutch Harbour. Somewhat suprised since this is still very much secondary theatre of operations. It has been costly for him for sure.
 
Also, he has not back off from Burma either so the might of the japanese war industry seems to be outproducing us nicely.

[aztez]

I will add pics later once the turn arrives. This summary is based upon the combat replay file.


Aleutians (october 21st - 22nd 1942)


The invasion of Dutch Harbour has begun on the morning of 21st.

Japanese has landed nearly 2000av worth of infantry units here so this is the biggest invasion experienced thus far.

The coastal artillery hit the following enemy ships:

DD Asagiri, Shell hits 1
PB Nikkai Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
PB Chiyo Maru #4, Shell hits 3, on fire
SC Ch 10, Shell hits 2, on fire
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1
BB Kongo, Shell hits 2
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 2
xAK Johore Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Zenyo Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAK Mexico Maru, Shell hits 1
SC Ch 12, Shell hits 1, heavy fires

The landings are on and Dave has brough a lot of guys into action.

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Ground combat at Dutch Harbor (171,50)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6499 troops, 126 guns, 127 vehicles, Assault Value = 243

Defending force 57281 troops, 372 guns, 84 vehicles, Assault Value = 1908

Japanese ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)



Assaulting units:
138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
58th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
2/250th Coastal Artillery Battalion
209th Field Artillery Battalion
103rd USN Base Force
North Pacific
503rd Coast AA Regiment
501st Coast AA Regiment
813th Engineer Aviation Battalion
165th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
54th Div /3
53rd Div /10
Kure 5th SNLF
63rd Naval Guard Unit
4th Division
Yokosuka 5th SNLF
65th Bde /3
52nd/C Division
64th Infantry Group /1
2nd Area Army /4

...he really must see something on Dutch Harbour that I don't. That is some army here unloading in "nowhere".

That suits me though since it is not vital to hold onto Dutch Harbour.

KB also flew some missions and more planes were downed or damaged.

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Afternoon Air attack on North Pacific , at 171,50 (Dutch Harbor)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43
B5N2 Kate x 141



Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14
F4U-1 Corsair x 2


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 28 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on North Pacific , at 171,50 (Dutch Harbor)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 28
B5N2 Kate x 129



Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 2
P-38E Lightning x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
F4U-1 Corsair x 1


Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed, 19 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 1 destroyed
P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


...some of the resting allied lba squadrons will take into action next turn.

It is safe to say that he will conquer Dutch Harbour for now. Is it really worth of all of these pilot + aircraft losses. Well, time will tell but I'am not complaining.

[aztez]

Burma (october 21st - 22nd 1942)


The slaughter at Magwe continued too and he brough in new planes into action. There were Tojo's and A6M3 fighters along with Oscars.

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 12
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 17
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 41



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 6
Hurricane IIc Trop x 12
P-40E Warhawk x 40


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 9
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 13
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 27



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 8
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 7
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 3
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 18



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 10
P-40E Warhawk x 17


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 10



Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 8


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 9
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 11
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 24



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 6
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 8
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 20



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 7
Hurricane IIc Trop x 7


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 3
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 2
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11



Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 9


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed


...that was another round of fighting at Burma. This place really has been an killing ground of fighter and bomber aircraft so far.

One thing that stands out though here. It seems that his production is working flawlesly otherwise I doubt he would commit such an force for these "secondary" operations.

That doesn't suprise me though keeping on mind the mindset regarding japanese production in classic witp.

[Rob Brennan UK]

Quite a few things to comment on here .. but overall he's making a big mistake unless like you i just can't see it. looking at KB zero losses especially in a2a i would bet my bottom dollar he's using green replacements as your kill ratio has gone from 1-2 at the start to 2-1 now.

Looking at the date i.e october and its his 1st showing for tojos i suspect he's not building many as they were due in june/july iirc. Tonys are a bit more suprising as this is about right for them. i suspect he's going big on tony production vs tojo. i presume because they are armoured but its a close call imo.

I really think his aussie attack is a sideshow as it doenst seem to have a killer stack moving down just small fast armour. have you seen any large divs here aztez ? good pilot training as you are doing too.. at last the wirraways have a use , and once experienced you can either upgrade of chuck them back into the pilot pool for replacements later on. Wheres the 'line' where you get extra troops ? i havnt a clue. as for weather in the alutians i do believe its nov-march inclusive but i dont have the manual here as i lent it to a friend to try and entice him to buy the game [;)]

RE Burma .. are you putting P40E's at 30k for sweeps ? thats an awful altitude for them . may be batter to use them at 15k and hurris at 25 so the hurris get the bounce but the P40's at least have a chance of moving out of the way of his guns , at 30k it can barely fly in a straight line [:D]. losing the alt advantage i.e 1st bounce isnt that bad as its only one pass , then its more even and the P40's and high hurris might be a sort of trap.

FYI in my PBEM at PM im using the P39's at 8-9k alt and the P40's at 14k .. ok he gets the bounce but after that its much more an even fight as he's drawn down to an altitude (or we meet somewhere in the middle) when the allied planes can manouvre at least. You do lose tactical advantage but its a trade off early war given the allied planes performance. This is no secret (obviously) as LoBaron reads here but were chatting re in game stuff anyway as i see it as a training aid for a GC soon .. i might even be the evil empire .. eek .. production eek .. and japans initial start positioning is a nightmare to sort out [:D].. going OT here ,,

Great comeback i would say , forget china . just make it last as long as possible imo. and a ground move to cox's bazaar and then akyab is a good early allied move imo. as im sure your not going to denude your defences now that you have more toys to play with in this theater now.

TTFN

[offenseman]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK



I really think his aussie attack is a sideshow as it doenst seem to have a killer stack moving down just small fast armour. have you seen any large divs here aztez ? good pilot training as you are doing too.. at last the wirraways have a use , and once experienced you can either upgrade of chuck them back into the pilot pool for replacements later on. Wheres the 'line' where you get extra troops ? i havnt a clue.

Great comeback i would say , forget china . just make it last as long as possible imo. and a ground move to cox's bazaar and then akyab is a good early allied move imo. as im sure your not going to denude your defences now that you have more toys to play with in this theater now.

TTFN

I am told via the wiki that the Aussie line for additional troops is one hex south of Brisbane which leaves almost all of of Australia free for him to conquer. I suspect what he is doing there it so make sure 4-e bombers have a harder time harassing Port Moresby/Rabaul area. If he takes those bases around Townville, he will do that. If I were him, I'd land a few divisions on the west coast and secure the rail while the armor takes the east end of the rail line. Then he can bring those divisions to bear on SE Australia without taking 2 months to walk them south through the outback.

Like Rob said, the Akyab area can be a real thorn in the side of IJ. I play IJ and Akyab is a problem. You can tie down a lot of troops and make him expend a lot of supply by being that thorn.

[Swenslim]

Aztez you should be glad that he is puting so much force into such hole ! You can bomb his HI from Aleutans anyhow !

[aztez]

Rob: Yeah. I really don't see the point at the Aleutians operations. Maybe taking Adak and few surrounding bases but even Dutch Harbour is an big mystery to me. Only thing this base has is an decent port but nothing else.

Currently unloading troops at rear so there are plenty of more troops in the Kodiak/Anchorage/Seward line.

He is also dueling with my landbase airforce thus giving my carriers plenty of time to rest while his forces will be eaten up in the battles here.

It will be much more costly if he even tries to advance further which I see even less point of doing so.

He must be using the "reserve" aircraft options with his carriers since he can maintain constant threat/operations there. Fine by me since once those carriers are dealt with than we have sunken even more of his airforce.

Ok. Intresting detail regarding Tojo's. I never looked the japanese arrival dates so that assumption complete sense. He seems to be getting newer Zero fighter models already. I never tangled againts Tony's so they might be an nasty force due to those armoured ratings.

Hmmm, maybe not yet convinced regarding the Oz situation. If it is an sideshow than for what? Plans towards India? That would seem to be foolish operation itself.

I have additonal aircraft arriving Oz within next turn plus some ground units are diverted there.

Also I have around 4000av preparing for our offensives (This does not count into the forces I have at Northern Pacific)

Those fighters were on sweep missions. I'am not convinced regarding those alltitudes eventhough they do make sense. To me it seems AE is simply "whoever flies the highest wins". That seems to be the model itself eventhough there has been much talk how it is not the case.

China.. well it might be toasted since the new changes were implemented too late here. Keeping in mind we started this "chian beta test" as soon as the game was released.

Agreed on the Akyab. No need to rush things though since we will get there and later on decimate any opposition he has there. Personally somewhat suprised he committed such an defense around Magwe since those battles took out a lot of aircraft too.

I would love to see my fighters sweeps much more effective though. So, you are saying that flying low againts high CAP brings in best results? As said to me it simply seems that whoever flies the highest is better off.

offenseman: The buffer zone againts Port Moresby makes perfect sense. It seems that 4E bombers were toned down a lot since they don't seem to be hitting any naval targets. Allthough they are effective againts ground + airfield missions.

Those reinforcements are nice what you get IF he invades too far. I would not give my opponent such an opportunity since it will backfire in other operational areas.

Swenslim: It an way I'am thankful. Very much suprised though since he is playing into my hands in the longterm. I don't mind this at all.

He can commit his forces into secondary theatres while I build up my main thrust.

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: aztez
Those fighters were on sweep missions. I'am not convinced regarding those alltitudes eventhough they do make sense. To me it seems AE is simply "whoever flies the highest wins". That seems to be the model itself eventhough there has been much talk how it is not the case.

I would love to see my fighters sweeps much more effective though. So, you are saying that flying low againts high CAP brings in best results? As said to me it simply seems that whoever flies the highest is better off.

Aztez I think that Rob is right here. Usually the higher wins strategy is best except if you are outperformed at altitude or the opponent can go higher than you anyway.

I would set the P40´s to the alt where the performance delta is smallest compared to the opposing fighters.

The only issue there is if you want to keep the P38´s and other high altitude fighters as high as possible you have to expect non-coordinated sweeps but you
have to use different alt settings anyway if you want the P38´s to dominate because the [inserthawktype]hawks can´t fly this high.
Not sure which solution really is more effective for the combined attack, but speaking for the P40´s only they have better survival chances by going in lower.

[Graymane]

More importantly, Dutch Harbor starts to come within range of Kodiak and the mainland of Alaska. Adak island makes a lot more sense if you are going to come and stay, as it were.

[veji1]

I just don't get why Erstad does this... Occupying the western Aleutians as recon outposts, lightly defended but enough to force a proper invasion, OK, going after Dutch Harbour that late in the Game, why ?

I know it is important for the japanese player to keep some modicus of initiative to disrupt the Allied player, rather than just wait for the hammer to fall, but then you can do something more clever, or that at the very least does not imply killing off 50/100 KB pilots for no reasons ???

[aztez]

LoBaron: Yes. Allthough I have had somewhat mixed results. I had them flown lower alltitude earlier and didn't see much of an diffrence.

Same can be said about P39D's in southern pacific campaign. Allthough, everything would suggest to keep them at low alltitude they were much more effective in flying higher. I rarely seen Dave flown his aircraft below 25,000 feet. Very rarely indeed.

To me this is an open question whether or not it is actually worth the effort to keep them "low" since the bounce seems to be the key in many cases.

Having said that this just my personal observation and I might dead wrong here.

Graymane: That is true and still I don't see the point of committing into Dutch Harbour operations. It has been very costly for him and he will take it. But what is the strategic objective? I don't see it to be honest.

Dutch Harbour will not be an major base even if you develop it fully. It cannot sustain enough aircraft to ever become too useful etc.

Even if defending Adak Island it serves little purpose. He doesn't really need this base for anything. This just have given me an chance to weaken his elite pilots for no actual losses.

I wouldn't commit into such an operations if I were to play as Japan. I can still swing by and hit him on the rear and leave his forces isolated in such an base.

It is entertaining though that much I will give into him.

Meanwhile he can be kept busy here and I'am already prepping my main assets for future offensives. The carriers are also repairing/upgrading very nicely indeed.

veji1: Exactly. That is the 1 000 000 dollar question. I don't mind shooting down his precious pilots etc with my restricted squadrons. (They are tied into WC defense but can be moved into Alaska)

I will make this theatre a costly one for him and once he is maybe done with his pools are hurting badly. If I were him I would start to worry about the his defensive perimeters much more closely.

As said there are soon +4000av readying them for offensives. The targets are not yet decieded though.

I don't know how many pilots are killed but I think he has lost more than a 100 of them. You might want to ask him since I doubt he will reveal this to me.

Even with high losses at Burma I think it has been good side show also attriting his pilot pools. He might have aircraft but not that good pilots. (It is vice versa for me)

I will run the turn later tonight and post an update.

[Rob Brennan UK]

I would love to see my fighters sweeps much more effective though. So, you are saying that flying low againts high CAP brings in best results? As said to me it simply seems that whoever flies the highest is better off.

As LoBaron stated , its not a perfect solution by any means. but you have to fight with what you have and P40's vs zeros high is a losing proposition so just take the initial bounce hit at an altitude when you might evade some of them.

Its a trade off ( as in everything tbh) he flys high when he knows your planes are worse. by going in low your drawing him down to your altitude but giving him the initial advantage. It may not mean less losses for you but i think you'll inflict more in return. This is based on some v limited goes at this idea myself, so its far from conclusive but it does seem to make sense at least to me [;)]

[aztez]

Rob: I actually checked that those P40E's squadrons have 35-60 kills on each of them so they seem to have downed quite a few enemy fighters.
 
What you are saying makes complete sense to me if you think with reason. However I'am still unconvinced that the "bounce" doesn't do overkills here. To me it seems that it is very, very important in air to air battles.
 
The speed and maneuver ratings are much better in lower alltitudes as you said though.

[aztez]

Aleutians (october 23rd - 24th 1942)


The battles raged on and casualties amounted in cold and stormy region.

KB flew out missions agains supporting the invasion forces at Dutch Harbour.

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Afternoon Air attack on 813th Engineer Aviation Battalion, at 171,50 (Dutch Harbor)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
B5N2 Kate x 140



Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 46 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on 138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment, at 171,50 (Dutch Harbor)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
B5N2 Kate x 72



Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1


Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed, 32 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)


...few more aircraft downed or damaged. I wonder how long he can keep this ongoing.

More US submarines have now entered the area and they are ordered to engage the enemy naval forces in the area.

Allied bombers flew ground missions againts japanese troops at Dutch Harbour. The damage were minor but we managed to shoot down few carrier zeros flying the CAP here. That is always good news.

Allied PT Boats sneaked back into Dutch Harbour so the bombardment runs will not go as smoothly from now on.

Ground reinforcements have unloaded at Seward and Kodiak. These additional troops along with supplies will bring much needed reinforcements. There are now nearly 1000av worth of infantry in Kodiak. Also plenty of bombers + fighters in reserve mode waiting for their turn.

[aztez]

China (october 23rd - 24th 1942)


Japanese army crossed the river near Kweiyand.

This advance was heavily supported by IJA bombers flying mostly out Liuchow I think.

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Ground combat at 75,50

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 10412 troops, 95 guns, 30 vehicles, Assault Value = 4618

Defending force 59069 troops, 410 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2083

Japanese adjusted assault: 61

Allied adjusted defense: 2992

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 49

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
4505 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 268 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 194 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
236 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Assaulting units:
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade
51st Recon Regiment
8th Armored Car Co
10th Tank Regiment
13th Indpt Infantry Regiment
6th Division
5th Armored Car Co
12th Indpt Infantry Regiment
35th Division
58th Infantry Brigade
41st Division
14th RGC Temp. Division
12th Tank Regiment
8th Recon Regiment
11th Indpt Infantry Regiment
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
13th Tank Regiment
40th Division
37th Division
17th Ind.Mixed Brigade
26th RGC Temp. Division
26th Engineer Regiment
110th Division
28th Engineer Regiment
26th Recon Regiment
13th/C Division
12th Army
8th Ind. Engineer Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
North China Area Army
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
52nd Chinese/C Corps
85th Chinese Corps
55th Prov Chinese Division
92nd Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
76th Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
64th Chinese Corps
40th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese/A Corps
52nd Chinese/B Corps
2nd Prov Chinese/B Corps
4th War Area
9th Group Army
11th Group Army
35th Group Army


...that is an strong army moving from the south towards Chungking.

Dave is trying some pinzer movements also along the frontline, The chinese HQ have given orders to deal with these issues.

Next turn the Chinese airforce will intercept the enemy bombers supporting this advance. Fingers crossed that we manage to some actual damage here.

[Smeulders]

Am I mistaken or am I seeing a USA green unit in Kweiyang ?