Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Lowpe (J)

[ny59giants]

Looking in the database (D button) for vehicles. The Improv AFV (Hvy) has two paths.

One seems to be for the Aussie Armoured Rgt: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Matilda (280 in pools) - M3 Grant/Lee (378 in pools) - Sherman V (12/43)

The second seems to be for British Armoured Brigade: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Vicker Tankettes (2 in pool) - Valentine III (23 in pools) - General Lee (0 in pools & 7/42) - General Grant (4/43) - Sherman V (12/43)

So everybody eventually gets to Sherman V by end of '43, but what are we to do with hundreds of Matildas and M3 Grant/Lee?? [&:]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Hermit
I know this is a noob question, but how do you "buy out" a unit that is supposed to be withdrawn?

Normally you can´t do that. But if I understand Michael (ny59giants) correctly they changed something in the BTS mod. [:)]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Looking in the database (D button) for vehicles. The Improv AFV (Hvy) has two paths.

One seems to be for the Aussie Armoured Rgt: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Matilda (280 in pools) - M3 Grant/Lee (378 in pools) - Sherman V (12/43)

The second seems to be for British Armoured Brigade: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Vicker Tankettes (2 in pool) - Valentine III (23 in pools) - General Lee (0 in pools & 7/42) - General Grant (4/43) - Sherman V (12/43)

So everybody eventually gets to Sherman V by end of '43, but what are we to do with hundreds of Matildas and M3 Grant/Lee?? [&:]

That is pretty much what I´m wondering too. I have 230 Matildas in the pool but no units that can use them...the OZ RGT already upgraded to the Grant/Lees which are also plentiful.

Wonder if the British units are supposed to upgrade to Matildas before doing the Valentina -> General Lee upgrade?

EDIT: Looking in tracker the Imrprov AFV hvy (1085) is supposed to upgrade to Vickers Tankettes (1086) and then straight to Valentines. (1088) Isn´t that odd?

The only thing upgrading to Matildas (1087) are Improv AFV (1083). Could someone have missed that there are 2 different Improv AFVs (1087 and 1083) and given the British armored BDEs the wrong Improv AFV?

EDIT2: Did a (very quick) search and it might be working correctly. I can find no reference of Matildas being used by Indian or British units in India/Burma.

[poodlebrain]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

I think you are more optimistic then I am!

I admit to being optimistic, but I think the odds of success are pretty favorable. I believe it is probable to avoid a 4:1 loss ratio.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

PS. Are you sure about "do not refuel" preventing "within TF refueling"? That would be awesome if it worked. [X(]

I use it. I'm not sure what happens when one or more ships hit 0 Endurance (maybe it will refuel then, or else begin moving at drifting speed), but it does appear to prevent the ships from refueling when they're getting low-ish, which could keep you from hitting the beaches. As it should, since it's a Do Not Refuel setting (although it could just be applied to waypoints/bases, but the Full/Minimal/Tactical Refuel settings seem to apply to at-sea refueling as well).

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Looking in the database (D button) for vehicles. The Improv AFV (Hvy) has two paths.

One seems to be for the Aussie Armoured Rgt: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Matilda (280 in pools) - M3 Grant/Lee (378 in pools) - Sherman V (12/43)

The second seems to be for British Armoured Brigade: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Vicker Tankettes (2 in pool) - Valentine III (23 in pools) - General Lee (0 in pools & 7/42) - General Grant (4/43) - Sherman V (12/43)

So everybody eventually gets to Sherman V by end of '43, but what are we to do with hundreds of Matildas and M3 Grant/Lee?? [&:]

That is pretty much what I´m wondering too. I have 230 Matildas in the pool but no units that can use them...the OZ RGT already upgraded to the Grant/Lees which are also plentiful.

Wonder if the British units are supposed to upgrade to Matildas before doing the Valentina -> General Lee upgrade?

EDIT: Looking in tracker the Imrprov AFV hvy (1085) is supposed to upgrade to Vickers Tankettes (1086) and then straight to Valentines. (1088) Isn´t that odd?

The only thing upgrading to Matildas (1087) are Improv AFV (1083). Could someone have missed that there are 2 different Improv AFVs (1087 and 1083) and given the British armored BDEs the wrong Improv AFV?

EDIT2: Did a (very quick) search and it might be working correctly. I can find no reference of Matildas being used by Indian or British units in India/Burma.

Matildas became obsolete very quickly. A number were sent to the Russians via Lend/Lease.

Their armor was proof against the German's 37mm gun, but they were armed with a peas shooter themselves and as soon as the Germans began upguuning their Panzer IIIs to 50MM guns and mounting long barrel high velocity 75mm guns on their panzer IVs, the Matildas no longer had a viable role as main battle tanks.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

PS. Are you sure about "do not refuel" preventing "within TF refueling"? That would be awesome if it worked. [X(]

I use it. I'm not sure what happens when one or more ships hit 0 Endurance (maybe it will refuel then, or else begin moving at drifting speed), but it does appear to prevent the ships from refueling when they're getting low-ish, which could keep you from hitting the beaches. As it should, since it's a Do Not Refuel setting (although it could just be applied to waypoints/bases, but the Full/Minimal/Tactical Refuel settings seem to apply to at-sea refueling as well).

With the Do Not Refuel option set they will not refuel no matter what even if you manually hit the Replenish from Port option.

You first have to remove the DNR order to even manually force a refueling.

Catch myself trying all the time to manually force a replenishment on a TF with a DNR order and only after two or three unsuccessful tries do I finally notice I have a DNR order set.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

PS. Are you sure about "do not refuel" preventing "within TF refueling"? That would be awesome if it worked. [X(]

I use it. I'm not sure what happens when one or more ships hit 0 Endurance (maybe it will refuel then, or else begin moving at drifting speed), but it does appear to prevent the ships from refueling when they're getting low-ish, which could keep you from hitting the beaches. As it should, since it's a Do Not Refuel setting (although it could just be applied to waypoints/bases, but the Full/Minimal/Tactical Refuel settings seem to apply to at-sea refueling as well).

With the Do Not Refuel option set they will not refuel no matter what even if you manually hit the Replenish from Port option.

You first have to remove the DNR order to even manually force a refueling.

Catch myself trying all the time to manually force a replenishment on a TF with a DNR order and only after two or three unsuccessful tries do I finally notice I have a DNR order set.

Yeah, I do that also. But that behavior makes me think that it might prevent refueling at sea as well? At least the standard upkeep refueling that TFs will do to regularly top off the ships with lower endurance.

The Replenish from Port button won't even be there if you have it set to DNR.

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Looking in the database (D button) for vehicles. The Improv AFV (Hvy) has two paths.

One seems to be for the Aussie Armoured Rgt: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Matilda (280 in pools) - M3 Grant/Lee (378 in pools) - Sherman V (12/43)

The second seems to be for British Armoured Brigade: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Vicker Tankettes (2 in pool) - Valentine III (23 in pools) - General Lee (0 in pools & 7/42) - General Grant (4/43) - Sherman V (12/43)

So everybody eventually gets to Sherman V by end of '43, but what are we to do with hundreds of Matildas and M3 Grant/Lee?? [&:]

That is pretty much what I´m wondering too. I have 230 Matildas in the pool but no units that can use them...the OZ RGT already upgraded to the Grant/Lees which are also plentiful.

Wonder if the British units are supposed to upgrade to Matildas before doing the Valentina -> General Lee upgrade?

EDIT: Looking in tracker the Imrprov AFV hvy (1085) is supposed to upgrade to Vickers Tankettes (1086) and then straight to Valentines. (1088) Isn´t that odd?

The only thing upgrading to Matildas (1087) are Improv AFV (1083). Could someone have missed that there are 2 different Improv AFVs (1087 and 1083) and given the British armored BDEs the wrong Improv AFV?

EDIT2: Did a (very quick) search and it might be working correctly. I can find no reference of Matildas being used by Indian or British units in India/Burma.

Matildas became obsolete very quickly. A number were sent to the Russians via Lend/Lease.

Their armor was proof against the German's 37mm gun, but they were armed with a peas shooter themselves and as soon as the Germans began upguuning their Panzer IIIs to 50MM guns and mounting long barrel high velocity 75mm guns on their panzer IVs, the Matildas no longer had a viable role as main battle tanks.

Not fighting in the Desert or Eastern Front, the Matilda II remained a capable Infantry support weapon in the jungles of New Guinea & Borneo until the end of the war.

IRL, the British didnt use the 'Tilly in India/Burma, M3 Stuarts were good enough against the IJA, plus 50 Arm Bde using Valentines in the Akyab campaign.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: poodlebrain
I admit to being optimistic, but I think the odds of success are pretty favorable. I believe it is probable to avoid a 4:1 loss ratio.

It might be. I guess it comes down to if I´m willing to risk it. [:)] My general feel is that I can handle a WC invasion without the Navy. If I was really worried I would toss everything I have at a possible landing!

Besides with at least 4 Japanese unrestricted in India now and invasion is very unlikely. [:)]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
I use it. I'm not sure what happens when one or more ships hit 0 Endurance (maybe it will refuel then, or else begin moving at drifting speed), but it does appear to prevent the ships from refueling when they're getting low-ish, which could keep you from hitting the beaches. As it should, since it's a Do Not Refuel setting (although it could just be applied to waypoints/bases, but the Full/Minimal/Tactical Refuel settings seem to apply to at-sea refueling as well).

Going to try it. If it works it solves a lot of headaches. Can´t believe I never though of it!

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Matildas became obsolete very quickly. A number were sent to the Russians via Lend/Lease.

Their armor was proof against the German's 37mm gun, but they were armed with a peas shooter themselves and as soon as the Germans began upguuning their Panzer IIIs to 50MM guns and mounting long barrel high velocity 75mm guns on their panzer IVs, the Matildas no longer had a viable role as main battle tanks.

Yeah, did a quick read up on it. Didn´t even know they sent them so Soviet let alone over 1000 of them! [X(]

ORIGINAL: JeffK
Not fighting in the Desert or Eastern Front, the Matilda II remained a capable Infantry support weapon in the jungles of New Guinea & Borneo until the end of the war.

IRL, the British didnt use the 'Tilly in India/Burma, M3 Stuarts were good enough against the IJA, plus 50 Arm Bde using Valentines in the Akyab campaign.

I read somewhere that the Matilda was the only British tank used throughout the entire war! Not a bad record. [:)]

[witpqs]

One thing about TF refueling. When you have a waypoint set, and you tell it to refuel at that waypoint, it will do so even if you have Do Not Refuel on the main TF screen. This allows you to refuel convoys on the way to and from distant ports or call without draining fuel at the destination.

[JeffroK]

Matilda II

[JeffroK]

Too big??

[BBfanboy]

I like the way they have trained spiders to put a filter on the gun muzzle to keep foreign objects out ...[:)]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

One thing about TF refueling. When you have a waypoint set, and you tell it to refuel at that waypoint, it will do so even if you have Do Not Refuel on the main TF screen. This allows you to refuel convoys on the way to and from distant ports or call without draining fuel at the destination.

Thats good to know! Thanks. [:)]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Too big??

Did you take that? [:)]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I like the way they have trained spiders to put a filter on the gun muzzle to keep foreign objects out ...[:)]

[:D]

[JeffroK]

Yes, its about an hour to Puckapunyal, muddiest place in Australia and home the the Royal Australian Armoured Corps Museum.

I'll post a few more OZ-centric photos.

[JeffroK]

British Crusader, only 1 was sent to OZ, we then decided we could do better and locally designed and build the Sentinel AFV.
In the background is the 1 only Cromwell we received for trials.