Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Primarchx]

[ADDED/UPDATED DB v438]

A few more for the suggestion pile, ground-military oriented...

- 107mm Rocket Launcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_63_mu ... t_launcher). This could be added as a weapon on Technicals, too.
- AT-3, AT-4, AT-5, AT-7 ATGMs as a specific weapon record, like the Milan.
- 40mm Grenade Launcher (as an infantry weapon).
- Generic Infantry Section to use as weapon teams.

[Mgellis]

[MORE INFO NEEDED]

Okay, I know the wish list is already pretty huge, but I just noticed something...

Kenya does not seem to be in the database. After trying to track down information for Kenya, I can see why...at least in terms of web searches, it's easier to get information on ships from freakin' North Korea!

At the very least, I hope the following will be considered...

Northrop F-5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft ... aft_id=159
http://www.worldwide-military.com/Milit ... ger_EN.htm
http://nairobichronicle.wordpress.com/2 ... hter-jets/

Most of the other aircraft are already in the database, so they might just need to be copied, but I am not sure if there are any important variations for the specific models of Mi-17s, Pumas, etc. that are used.

Kenya has some missile boats, but aside from what was available at Hazegray and here (for the Province class)...

http://www.worldwarships.com/search?key ... 2&type=All
http://www.worldwarships.com/class/province

...it was very hard to find any information.

P3134 KNS Harambee II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P400-class_patrol_vessel <-- already in database, I think; I don't know if the Kenyans made any changes after the French gave her to them

Shupavu Patrol Boat
http://www.worldwarships.com/class/shupavu <-- not much information here but it was the best I could find

Nora B-52 (SP Howitzer) <-- made and used by Serbia, too, and used by Bangladesh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_B-52
http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/de ... mor_id=701
http://www.armyrecognition.com/serbia_s ... tures.html
http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... n-howitzer

Panhard AML
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhard_AML
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product937.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... pe/aml.htm
http://weaponsystems.net/weaponsystem/C ... 20AML.html

MD Helicopters MD 500M/500MD/500MD Tow Utility/attack helicopter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_ ... 0_Defender <-- various versions in the database, but I'm not sure if they're the same as the Kenyan ones

General information...

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldpowers/wiki/kenya <-- looks like a lot of very useful basic information about vehicles, ship stats, etc. (not sure all of it is reliable, though)
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/africa/africa.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Defence_Forces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Air_Force
http://www.mccrow.org.uk/EastAfrica/EAW ... EastAf.htm <-- lots of images; I don't know if they can be used in the database or not

[mikmykWS]

Mark why do you keep trying to mess with us? Do you do this to people off the internet?

Give it a rest please. We've been pretty busy and don't need to get buried or worse yet have some other guy's request get buried in your speedboats and prop plane requests.

Mike

[Mgellis]

Mike,

My apologies. I am not trying to mess with people. I did not realize I was causing stress for anyone.

I really did have to put the one scenario about Peru on hold because I just didn't have the right aircraft available (the UH-3s and the patrol ones were the ones I really needed). That's why I requested them. But if it takes a while to get them in, that's okay. I'll work on other scenarios in the meantime. Same thing with the Mexican light attack/COIN aircraft and the others, like the new Israeli corvette.

When I say I don't mind waiting, I really do mean that. You have to understand, I am used the HUD projects for Harpoon where the editor was doing everything by himself in his spare time, so it could easily take months to get a request into the database. I knew that I wouldn't see most of the platforms for a long time, but that was okay. And sometimes a platform never got in. Sometimes the data just wasn't available. I got used to asking for things and then having to wait for a while. That's just how it goes sometimes. So I have no complaints. You guys are BLAZING fast compared to what things were like five or ten years ago with Harpoon.

(I may also have a different perspective on this than some people because I played Harpoon in various forms for 20 years. I would not be surprised if I play Command for that long, too. So if things take a while to get done or added or changed, I don't see that as a problem. Maybe a platform doesn't get into the database until 2016. Big deal. I'm not worried. It will happen when it happens.)

I also think I misunderstood something you were saying. You would post every day or so that requests had been logged, so I just figured, "Oh, good. There's a list. I'll post requests as I think of them and they'll go on the list and the editors probably won't get to them for a while because there's 200 other things on the list ahead of my requests but that's okay." Clearly, that is not what you intended. Sorry. My bad.

In any event, I really am sorry if I stressed people out. I was not trying to do that. I'll hold off on any future requests for a while.

Mark

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Mark why do you keep trying to mess with us? Do you do this to people off the internet?

Give it a rest please. We've been pretty busy and don't need to get buried or worse yet have some other guy's request get buried in your speedboats and prop plane requests.

Mike

[mikmykWS]

Mark I've been keeping track and you haven't been using too many of the platforms you've asked for.[:)] Obviously we can't make you but it is annoying. I get that sometimes ideas come and go but unfortunately we don't have endless hours to play around with. Just do us a favor and ease up for a bit ok. We really need to catch up and I can't spend all day writing "logged" because you happened to be browsing Wikipedia[:'(]

FWIW got the Mexican AF done this morning and probably knocked off a few more of your requests the last few.

Mike

[mikmykWS]

There are over 500 things on the list. More if you include multi item requests.

Mike

[Mgellis]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

FWIW got the Mexican AF done this morning and probably knocked off a few more of your requests the last few.

Excellent! Thank you!

[CV60]

[CAPABILITIES CARRIED OVER INTO THE Su-35S, USE THAT ONE INSTEAD]

I'm forwarding this from Ed. These are links for Ed's SU-37 request.


http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su37/

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... /su-37.htm

http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/su_37.htm

Can you please add the SU-37 Terminator? Based on an SU-35, but with added supermanoeuvre ability. Would like it for my SU-27 VS world Scenario. Can't post links, but would you mind googling it for me? I assume it would be armed the same as the SU-35S Thanks in advance

[Mgellis]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

I've been keeping track and you haven't been using too many of the platforms you've asked for.[:)]

Challenge accepted.

[slicendice]

[PARTIALLY ADDED, LACK INFO FOR SOME ITEMS]

Still no LRASM aircraft loatout? I think we know pretty much for sure that LRASM will be operational on AF B-1B some time after 2018 and USN Super Bug by 2019 or so according to OASUW budget, given no major development delay that is.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... b_2015.pdf

Also F-35 for japan and RoK? These are done deals.

I wonder how will the EA functionality of certain advanced AESAs(APG-77/79/81,etc...) will be modeled, if it is at all modeled.

NGJ is not that far ahead in the future, mid-band pod could be ready by as early as 2020, maybe it's time to give some thoughts? That GaN transmitter... And talk about AMDR.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... b_2015.pdf

With Full-Rate Production decision in place and operational units already flying with upgraded F-15E, I believe there will be a deployable number of F-15E fitted with APG-82 by 2018 at the lastest.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/f-1 ... dge-04044/

Kongsberg Joint Strike Missile will have a datalink, likely line-of-sight only.

[pjcoia]

[ADDED DB pre-437]

I may be missing it, but while CWDB has the HMAS Supply (A 195), DB3000 does not have it even though Wikipedia says the ship was decommissioned in 1985.

[mikmykWS]

Logged up until this point.

Mike

[slicendice]

[ADDED DB v438]

FCS-3 is really comprised of 2 sets of antennas, the closest analogy would be SPY-3/SPY-4 combination which was never realized. I don't know if the in-game implementation is intentional since the C band component is in every way superior for game play purpose£¨as far as I can tell) so it is determined that there's no need to have a separated X-band component modeled. I also believe that the detection range is more or less underestimated, when you consider a fighter AESA radar with 1m©÷ class diameter antenna has the same range in game.

[xavierv]

[ADDED DB v438]

Just as a heads up:

Iran upgraded the old Kaivan and Parvin class PCBs with anti-ship missiles according to these pictures:
https://twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/551680400104624128

[slicendice]

[FIXED DB v440]

Are 227mm Rockets and ATACMS suppose to be subsonic throughout the flight(and targetable in the case of 270mm Rockets)? To me it's a little inconsistent with other weapons of the same class, say BM-30 and SCUD. Personally I do not mind rockets to be targetable though, consider the C-RAM technologies today.

Also noticed AMLRS share the very same... characteristics. So what should be the standard behavior for rocket artillery/low tier TBM in game? And where should the line between targetable/non-targetable munitions be drawn?

[ClaudeJ]

Hi there,

here are some inputs on the Chinese Yaogan satellites constellations.

Sources:
- "China’s Constellation of Yaogan Satellites & the ASBM" (2013), S. Chandrashekar and Soma Perumal http://isssp.in/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... Update.pdf (helped to get the role of each subtype).
- http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=39013 (used that one among half a dozen other website because it offers more granularity and have all sats, adding coherence to the whole proposal).
- http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/China/Yao ... anprog.php (Confirmation).
- http://space.skyrocket.de/directories/sat_c_china.htm (Idem)


Suggested changes on existing platforms:


Note on Yaogan co-launched "trio" (9, 16, 17, 20, 25):
- they are ESM satellites, equivalents to the US ocean surveillance NOSS satellite, flying in a triangular formation, like illustrated below, so they always should be used together.



Suggested platforms additions:





As for "Fanhui Shi Weixing", its re-usable but its lifetime on the first mission was 24 days. Unsure how long it can be at most.

[mikmykWS]

Added requests up until this point.

Thanks again Jan for taking on the homework. Very much appreciated.

Thanks!

Mike

[Triode]

[ADDED DB v440]

according to state contract ¹31401755444 :
http://zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/publ ... hodType=is in russian
and tender risk insurance by Kumertau Helicopter Plant:
http://www.my-tender.ru/#!/tenders223/3 ... tenderDocs in russian
Russian Navy in 2015 buying 8 Ka-27M helicopters

So what is Ka-27m?

citation from article "Helicopter Ka-27M on finish of state trials":

"In December 2013 be completed state tests Ka-27M

Upgraded ASW helicopter Ka-27M features a new search-aiming system "Kasatka-V" designed by "Radar MMS" and radar type FHA created by "Fazotron-NIIR". The new radar, called "Kopio-A", allows circular radar overview with a radius of 250 km from the simultaneous tracking of up to 50 targets and determining their exact coordinates.

It should be noted that the proposed company "Kamov" modernization project Ka-27M has been approved by the Ministry of Defense"
http://rusaviacluster.ru/aviatsiya/aero ... -ispytanij in russian


about "Kopio-A"("Lance-A") radar:
"Fazotron-NIIR" is part of KRET corporation so here is info on KRET site about this upgrade:
http://kret.com/en/news/3578/ in english


about "Kasatka" search-aiming system:

"Kasatka" includes:
-Optoelectronic Systems:thermal channel,TV channel,laser Rangefinder
-ELINT system
-Dipping sonar
-magnetometer system
-other minor systems
http://www.radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_11_1 in russian

Here is video presentation of "Kasatka-V" with Ka-27M from RADAR MMS site:
http://www.radar-mms.com/Pagemedia.aspx?mulimedia&video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-SCPRw ... autoplay=1

in this presentation Ka-27M with "Kasatka-V" carry two APR-3M torpedo and unspecified number of RGB-16MK sonobuoys (rumors said this numbers are 36, but thats just rumors , also rumors said this dipping sonar in video is Ros-VM (8 km range in active mode,7 km in passive http://bastion-karpenko.ru/MVMS-2013/MV ... _3_050.JPG ))

So ,could you please consider the possibility of including Ka-27M in database?

[e2204588]

[UPDATED DB v440]

Chaff rocket launcher on Chinese ships

Type 946 - 15 tubes
051B, 052

Type 947 - 10 tubes
051B

Type 726-4 - 18 tubes
051C, 052(Added in 2011),052B, 052C, 052D, 054, 071

Type 726-4A - 24 tubes
001, 054A



http://www.haijun360.com/news/QTWQZB/20 ... C38H7.html
http://www.haijun360.com/news/QTWQZB/20 ... 3JJJK.html
http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2013-12-03/1352752594.html

[Primarchx]

[UPDATED DB v440]

FYI - According to the Jan 2015 Combat Aircraft the USMC KC-130J Harvest HAWK's A-Kit differs from the DB's slightly.

1) Maintains a drogue and hose for refueling from the starboard external tank when the port side is dedicated to the TSS and armament.
2) Max Fuel Capacity is 42k lbs versus 60k lbs for a standard KC-130J.
3) Is cleared to launch the GBU-44 Viper Strike from it's 'derringer door' pressurized launcher, but has not yet used this capability in combat - Griffon & Hellfires used instead.
4) The kit is not yet truly roll-on/roll-off, and airframes with the kit are usually fitted long-term.

Also there's a Harvest HAWK Plus being tested in 2015.
1) AAQ-30 TSS replaced with an MX-20 EO/Laser system (as P-8A?).
3) Regain the lost port fuel pod, as MX-20 will be chin-mounted, unlike AAQ-30 which is housed in the port pod now. Should restore full fuel load.
4) IOC at least 2016
5) Update to P4 Hellfire by 2017.
6) Compatible with Joint Air-to-Ground Missile (JAGM) by 2019.
7) Joint Operator Pallet fire control system.