Return of the Sheep! - JocMeister(A) vs. MrKane(J)

[EHansen]

Considering how terrible his damage control is, he could either lose some of the ships with fires or they will end up with high damage. I would be sure that some will
not be able to leave port, so bomb away at night and see what happens.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Dude, you totally pooped in his happy place. Well done!

I love you.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: EHansen

Considering how terrible his damage control is, he could either lose some of the ships with fires or they will end up with high damage. I would be sure that some will
not be able to leave port, so bomb away at night and see what happens.

Disagree. IJN damage control really isn't as bad as it's made out to be. For xAKs and the like, sure. For commissioned vessels, keep in mind that crew experience matters and IJN ships have pretty good experience.

Looks like 1 DD probably sank beyond Kuroshio, maybe 2 more. Maybe RO-61 sinks on the way to get repairs. Hatsuharu stands a reasonable chance to make it. The bigger merchant ships will make it for sure - the AKEs, AS, AG, etc. Their durability is too high for one hit to sink them.

Probably 10-20 Sys on Nachi, Haguro, Myoko, Ashigara. Abukuma and Isuzu may be 30+. Mogami probably 30+.

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: EHansen

Considering how terrible his damage control is, he could either lose some of the ships with fires or they will end up with high damage. I would be sure that some will
not be able to leave port, so bomb away at night and see what happens.

Disagree. IJN damage control really isn't as bad as it's made out to be. For xAKs and the like, sure. For commissioned vessels, keep in mind that crew experience matters and IJN ships have pretty good experience.

Looks like 1 DD probably sank beyond Kuroshio, maybe 2 more. Maybe RO-61 sinks on the way to get repairs. Hatsuharu stands a reasonable chance to make it. The bigger merchant ships will make it for sure - the AKEs, AS, AG, etc. Their durability is too high for one hit to sink them.

Probably 10-20 Sys on Nachi, Haguro, Myoko, Ashigara. Abukuma and Isuzu may be 30+. Mogami probably 30+.

+1

I will say that most of those ships need to back north for repairs.
Even with only sys damage there is to many damage on to many ships to repair them in Noumea at once. It will just take to long.
I believe also that most of them took major flood or engine damage, not much but enough to force them to use shipyard. And nearest one is in Manila and Japan. Long trip from Noumea.

They are out of action for at lest 2+ months.

On Your place i will send all subs in area between Salomon's and Noumea. Some of those DDs and CAs will move pretty slow.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: koniu

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: EHansen

Considering how terrible his damage control is, he could either lose some of the ships with fires or they will end up with high damage. I would be sure that some will
not be able to leave port, so bomb away at night and see what happens.

Disagree. IJN damage control really isn't as bad as it's made out to be. For xAKs and the like, sure. For commissioned vessels, keep in mind that crew experience matters and IJN ships have pretty good experience.

Looks like 1 DD probably sank beyond Kuroshio, maybe 2 more. Maybe RO-61 sinks on the way to get repairs. Hatsuharu stands a reasonable chance to make it. The bigger merchant ships will make it for sure - the AKEs, AS, AG, etc. Their durability is too high for one hit to sink them.

Probably 10-20 Sys on Nachi, Haguro, Myoko, Ashigara. Abukuma and Isuzu may be 30+. Mogami probably 30+.

+1

I will say that most of those ships need to back north for repairs.
Even with only sys damage there is to many damage on to many ships to repair them in Noumea at once. It will just take to long.
I believe also that most of them took major flood or engine damage, not much but enough to force them to use shipyard. And nearest one is in Manila and Japan. Long trip from Noumea.

They are out of action for at lest 2+ months.

On Your place i will send all subs in area between Salomon's and Noumea. Some of those DDs and CAs will move pretty slow.

If the bombs bounced off armor, the CAs are looking at System damage only. Minor float and engine damage at most, which can be repaired well enough that they'll still go 25+ knots.

[JocMeister]

Thanks guys. [:)]

Sorry if I sound pessimistic but I really need VPs. Having the CAs/CLs knocked out for a couple of months is nice of course. But nothing that will change much. Tom still has KB around (I hope) and that is enough to dominate the area. He doesn´t really need the CAs. And I don´t really benefits much from their absence in SOPAC. After all I don´t have anything bigger then a AM in SOPAC right now.

But as princep says this no doubt means Tom will stop using Noumea as a forward base. He will probably move back to Brisbane or even all the way back to Rabaul. And it will no doubt make him a little nervous for a while. [:'(]

Just ran the next turn. No sinking sounds and no more ships on the list. Subs are already in place north of Noumea.

Regarding Japanese damage control my experience mirrors Lokas. At least so in three PBEM I´ve never seen any spectacular sinkings from low damage. Hit Akagi with double TT twice and she was still afloat. Yamato took 4 TTs and didn´t sink. Hit some Japanese CAs with 4-6 penetrating 1000lbs bombs and they just sailed away despite "fuel explosions" "massive damage" and "heavy damage heavy fires".

So I don´t think anything will sink but perhaps 2 DDs. The rest will make it no doubt.

[Cribtop]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Dude, you totally pooped in his happy place. Well done!

I love you.

There's a great story behind my quote. My wife once had to attend one of those touchy-feely team building conferences. In the first exercise, participants were asked to envision their "Happy Place" - a wonderful sanctuary, be it a tropical island, secure cave, whatever. In the next exercise, the facilitator asked for constructive criticism. After a bit of that was directed at one worker, she was asked to respond to the criticism. She said, of course: "He pooped in my happy place." Everyone died laughing.

[JocMeister]

Hey cool. 5000 posts! I need a new life or something! [:D]

[RogerJNeilson]

I have a passionate hatred of Jap CAs, so even a paint scratch on those b*********ers is a moment of rejoicing for me.

Roger

[JeffroK]

Well done, but I dont think the result is either as good or as bad as brought up, its just handing out what should have begun earlier.

Now MrKane has to think about what he does, not just stroll around planning HIS next attack.

Now you have to work out how to hit him somewhere else or with a different tactic.

Force him into making a mistake, or trying to cover 2-3 approaches with on 1 KB.

[JocMeister]

[font="Verdana"]24th August 42[/font]
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Besides the Noumea raid yesterday its very little to report.

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SOPAC/OZ
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My 4E doesn´t fly at night. No explanation given. Neither did the recon so it could be weather although the weather was fine both over Noumea and Fiji. [&:]

Tom sweeps Sydney with A6M5s. Very dangerous plane as he can reach our HRed max alt of 33k. I have nothing that can go that high besides the extremely rare P38s which isn´t even operational yet.

I have now lost 2 of the extremely precious F-4s to OP losses. Only 4 left now but they will luckily start producing in just 6 days.

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Burma
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Nothing here since Tom crushed the RAF over Calcutta. He seems content for now to bomb the Chinese from bases in Burma.

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Next OP
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Fleet and troops will arrive in 3 days. I will spend some time to go through Intel Monkey today and see if something has changed.

Landing could be as soon as in 20-30 days.

[Encircled]

As has been said, good raid that.

Big case of "victory disease" there on your opponents part not having CAP up, and thats really good news for you.

[Barb]

Hmm... done some maths on the Noumea raid...
96 of your heavy bombers achieved total of 83 hits in thunderstorms and flying at some 13 000ft through thunderstorms.
Considering that B-17Es flown at extended range with reduced bomb load - you have dropped 578 bombs (If I remember the bomb-load right ..4 per B-17E, 10 per B-17D, 10 per LB-30 and 10 per B-24D)... and got 14,36% accuracy... [X(]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Barb

Hmm... done some maths on the Noumea raid...
96 of your heavy bombers achieved total of 83 hits in thunderstorms and flying at some 13 000ft through thunderstorms.
Considering that B-17Es flown at extended range with reduced bomb load - you have dropped 578 bombs (If I remember the bomb-load right ..4 per B-17E, 10 per B-17D, 10 per LB-30 and 10 per B-24D)... and got 14,36% accuracy... [X(]

They were flying at 10k (lowest allowed altitude for 4Es by HR). I also left out a couple of attacks that didn´t hit anything. So I would say around 10% of all bombs hit something.

In my experience with the game that is pretty bad for a port attack.

[JocMeister]

[font="Verdana"]26th August 42[/font]
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Turns are a bit slow today.

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SOPAC/OZ
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On the second day the 4Es take off during the night. Nothing spectacular. I´m mostly doing this to force Tom to relocate.

Night Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, Bomb hits 2

Night Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1
CA Mogami, Bomb hits 1

Night Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Night Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Night Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 4

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Myoko, Bomb hits 1

Might have cost him Kiso keeping them in port. Strangely enough he only moved in 70 Fighters for protection. Had I known I might have tried another daylight attack.

Now supply is gone so I have to pull back. At least for now!

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: Barb

Hmm... done some maths on the Noumea raid...
96 of your heavy bombers achieved total of 83 hits in thunderstorms and flying at some 13 000ft through thunderstorms.
Considering that B-17Es flown at extended range with reduced bomb load - you have dropped 578 bombs (If I remember the bomb-load right ..4 per B-17E, 10 per B-17D, 10 per LB-30 and 10 per B-24D)... and got 14,36% accuracy... [X(]

They were flying at 10k (lowest allowed altitude for 4Es by HR). I also left out a couple of attacks that didn´t hit anything. So I would say around 10% of all bombs hit something.

In my experience with the game that is pretty bad for a port attack.

From 10,000 with thunderstorms? 10% sounds good to me.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Might have cost him Kiso keeping them in port. Strangely enough he only moved in 70 Fighters for protection. Had I known I might have tried another daylight attack.

Now supply is gone so I have to pull back. At least for now!

Good followup. Look for an Alf in the aircraft losses over the next day or two... what size is Noumea's port? If he built it bigger than 3, you probably won't see her show up.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
From 10,000 with thunderstorms? 10% sounds good to me.

Not complaining but in my experience port attacks for some reason are conducted by laser guided bombs. 30% hit rate wouldn´t have surprised me one bit! [:)]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Good followup. Look for an Alf in the aircraft losses over the next day or two... what size is Noumea's port? If he built it bigger than 3, you probably won't see her show up.

Size 5 so unless the fires rage out of control I´m not expecting anything.

[ny59giants]

Sounded like it was a good plan. The only thing I thought of while reading about your initial strike was where was the 10 plus subs to be placed north of island to catch the damaged ships leaving the next day. Add this to list for next time. [;)]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Sounded like it was a good plan. The only thing I thought of while reading about your initial strike was where was the 10 plus subs to be placed north of island to catch the damaged ships leaving the next day. Add this to list for next time. [;)]

Can´t have them there due to ASW air. The subs (only 8 though [;)]) are patrolling between the New Hebrides and the Solomons in a ASW search gap. [:)]