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Baltimore mayor asks residents to stop shooting each other so Coronavirus patients can have hospital beds
March 18, 2020

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"Baltimore Mayor Jack Young pleaded with his city to stop filling hospital beds with gunshot wound victims.

A mass shooting in a park on Tuesday left seven Baltimore residents hospitalized. In a statement about the shooting, Young said hospitals don't have room to tolerate gunshot victims as the coronavirus pandemic sweeps across the United States.

"We cannot clog up our hospitals and their beds with people that are being shot senselessly, because we’re going to need those beds for people who might be infected with the Coronavirus," Young said on Wednesday. "And it could be your mother, your grandmother, or one of your relatives. So take that into consideration.” "


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Oh guys...

I came back from Liberia a couple of weeks ago. Decided intentionally not to stop by my friends and parents in Italy and I went directly to Prague, where my partner lives.

Now I'm stuck there with no apparent possibility to go back to Africa anytime soon. Remote working and everything closed.


In the meanwhile, since coronavirus is too mainstream, I had to go to the hospital where they do treat people for coronavirus here in Czech Republic because I was having a moderate dengue. Of course, since I'm also very lucky (...[8|]), the only tropical disease department in the country is the one treating coronavirus. They are doing very well, but I wasn't that happy to be stuck there for quite a while.

The only positive aspect so far is that me and my opponent we doubled the amount of turns per day [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Good to hear from you. Out of the frying pan into the fire, huh?

Dengue is no fun. Bone-break fever they call it. Hope yours is abating.

Keep us abreast of how things go there.


Thank you for the message Erik. Yes, now I'm relatively fine. Still, no fun over here: I have a very f@cked up immune system currently and I am quite concerned by the possibility of getting coronavirus because, albeit young, I am not in the best conditions to fight a virus.



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The draconian rights violations upset me more than the virus. Also so many people seem to have no problem with it. The swine flu was far more dangerous than this.


Is it? Or did we just get ahead of it quickly enough? How do we confirm this?
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Oh guys...

I came back from Liberia a couple of weeks ago. Decided intentionally not to stop by my friends and parents in Italy and I went directly to Prague, where my partner lives.

Now I'm stuck there with no apparent possibility to go back to Africa anytime soon. Remote working and everything closed.


In the meanwhile, since coronavirus is too mainstream, I had to go to the hospital where they do treat people for coronavirus here in Czech Republic because I was having a moderate dengue. Of course, since I'm also very lucky (...[8|]), the only tropical disease department in the country is the one treating coronavirus. They are doing very well, but I wasn't that happy to be stuck there for quite a while.

The only positive aspect so far is that me and my opponent we doubled the amount of turns per day [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Good to hear from you. Out of the frying pan into the fire, huh?

Dengue is no fun. Bone-break fever they call it. Hope yours is abating.

Keep us abreast of how things go there.


Thank you for the message Erik. Yes, now I'm relatively fine. Still, no fun over here: I have a very f@cked up immune system currently and I am quite concerned by the possibility of getting coronavirus because, albeit young, I am not in the best conditions to fight a virus.



Imagine that I would like to go back in the fire [:D][:D][:D] but I cannot for various reasons... So, I have to stay in the pan [:@]

Sorry to hear of your situation. Perhaps more "sauce" in the pan will help?
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Oh guys...

I came back from Liberia a couple of weeks ago. Decided intentionally not to stop by my friends and parents in Italy and I went directly to Prague, where my partner lives.

Now I'm stuck there with no apparent possibility to go back to Africa anytime soon. Remote working and everything closed.


In the meanwhile, since coronavirus is too mainstream, I had to go to the hospital where they do treat people for coronavirus here in Czech Republic because I was having a moderate dengue. Of course, since I'm also very lucky (...[8|]), the only tropical disease department in the country is the one treating coronavirus. They are doing very well, but I wasn't that happy to be stuck there for quite a while.

The only positive aspect so far is that me and my opponent we doubled the amount of turns per day [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Good to hear from you. Out of the frying pan into the fire, huh?

Dengue is no fun. Bone-break fever they call it. Hope yours is abating.

Keep us abreast of how things go there.


Thank you for the message Erik. Yes, now I'm relatively fine. Still, no fun over here: I have a very f@cked up immune system currently and I am quite concerned by the possibility of getting coronavirus because, albeit young, I am not in the best conditions to fight a virus.



Imagine that I would like to go back in the fire [:D][:D][:D] but I cannot for various reasons... So, I have to stay in the pan [:@]


Good to hear the Dengue is gone at least.

Earlier in this thread rangerjoe posted a good list of anti-viral foods/herbal medicines. Things help reduce virus replication and other things at a molecular chemical level. Obviously they won't stop the disease but can help the immune system keep to a less severe case.

Things like garlic, turmeric, vitamin C, Zinc, Green Tea. None of it is toxic so can't hurt!

http://the-health-gazette.com/496/natural-antivirals/
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Pardon me if this was already posted, but keeping track of everything in this thread is beyond me.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/lower-coronavirus-death-rate-estimates/

Saw that too. I think there are sources saying it might be even lower if we knew the total number of actual cases. Korea is the best example for that.
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Today's numbers in for Italy. Not good enough to confirm a flattening of the curve; not bad enough to confirm exponential increase.

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I hope it holds up relative to the increased new cases count. I have to remind myself that big surges in that are very possibly due to people without serious side effects now getting tested and the Italy's "high" death rate is going to be influenced by not knowing the total exposure to the illness and that the overall spread among the population is probably quite high.


Taking a quick look at Germany, USA, and Spain and we're definitely seeing an accelerating trend in new detections. Hopefully actual transmission rates are declining well enough with measures countries have put in place.
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So far testing here is still limited to those with likely symptoms or health care workers, so they are saying assume that for every confirmed case there are at least 16 out there we don't know about. Comforting. Hopefully the massive increase in testing that is being touted at the federal level, including readily available tests in Walmart and Walgreen's parking lots, will show up here soon and allow us to get much better recon on where the virus is or isn't.

A week ago (feels like ages....apparently we're living in dog years now) I posted testing stats per country from wikipedia, and here's an update (current table on the left, earlier on the right). A bit of apples to oranges since they've added some columns and there's more provincial/state granularity, plus i didn't capture the bottom dwellers originally (and do now) but there are some interesting things to see (from what I can tell, the province/state numbers are subs-sets of the country numbers, so don't add them to your country's total):

1) UAE and Australia have gone from "not on the chart" to 4th and 6th respectively in total tests. It will be interesting to see if that translates into lower infection and death rates in the weeks to come

2) Germany isn't on either chart, which is very surprising. Obviously they must be testing, and it would be nice to see if there's a correlation to the low death rate. Not sure why it's not here.

3) The Chinese numbers haven't been updated since February (almost a month ago) and there's nothing from Iran.

4) Testing in the US is increasing at roughly the same rate as most countries, but more is obviously needed. We'll see if the new Roche tests and Korea-style drive throughs start to ramp up the numbers.

Thanks Kull.

1) I think yes. Australia has a very good health system, and the population is small, plus wealthy (on average). This much testing followed by distancing measures and the fact they're only just getting cooler now, and in general don't get as cold as other European countries fighting this now.

Ditto UAE. Although their economy has just disintegrated between the oil glut and tourism shutdown.

2) Good testing. Solid distancing measures. Great healthcare facilities.

3) What is happening in the rest of China one wonders? How did this just peter out when there were cases all over but other regions are all going back to work now?

4)The figure that worries me with the US is the testing per million: 116. The US is bigger by population than the combined people of the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Germany. Testing so little in such a large population means there is a lot of this virus going around and spreading and no one knows where, or how much.
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London today.

A bit colder, so not as easy to find solace outdoors, but went on two bikerides to parks. A lot of families again out in Epping Forest near Hollow Pond. One family walked directly up to my daughter and I who were calmly watching the ducks on an empty 50 meter wide beach. I glared, the mom immediately noticed and apologised for "walking in on top of us" and moved a few meters down the beach to feed the birds.

Our local bottle shop and deli had a sign out warning to distance from other shoppers and wait for any coffee drinks outside. We stocked up on some luxury items, including one bottle of Bunnahabhain 12. I shopped and my wife stayed well clear outside. The owner reassured me they would continue serving the community and would even take email/text orders, bag it up and we could ride over to tap a card and take it away, even if they're officially supposed to close. Love that.

Just now the govt reiterated that the tube would not close and any further measures would likely not be quite as restrictive as other countries in Europe in terms of movement. I'm sure that could change, but I hope people can still get out of the house to the park, to exercise, to keep some local businesses in business.
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"The New Normal"






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The slow implementation of testing in the USA might be offset by the comparatively rapid implementation of countermeasures.
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"The New Normal"

What's with all of the bold and giant non-relevant comments?
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Re the serious cases, indeed - Germany's number never seems to move and regardless of the movement in Italy's total cases, nor does their number fluctuate much. That may be right as they have so many deaths but I'd definitely take this column with a pinch of salt. The UK is remarkably static too.
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The slow implementation of testing in the USA might be offset by the comparatively rapid implementation of countermeasures.

I really hope so. It sounds quite different in different parts of the country though too, and I think there is still a lot of the attitude that this is overblown. Not so much on this thread, but in the general populace (according to my small sample size of friends and family).

The size of the US and the different regional density can be an advantage and a disadvantage.
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I doubt there's a substantial amount that have the attitude this is overblown, especially in metropolitan areas. Even in rural and semi-rural areas, as where I live, everything changed beginning last Thursday. As noted previously, the different levels of government took action and the local populations complied and implemented some of their own. The response overall has seemed dramatic. The younger set may be behaving differently, based upon a few apocryphal stories going around.

On a separate note, doesn't it seem unexpected that Georgia schools closed before some (most? all?) of UK's.
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US Air Force Flew Half a Million Coronavirus Test Swabs From Italy to Tennessee

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020 ... ee/163879/

"The U.S. Air Force quietly flew 500,000 swabs for COVID-19 testing kits from Italy to Memphis, Tennessee, on Monday, Defense One has learned.

Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman confirmed the shipment on board an Air National Guard aircraft. The plane carried “swabs” that are used in the COVID-19 testing process, he said during a Wednesday afternoon briefing at the Pentagon."






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But are they used ones?

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US Air Force Flew Half a Million Coronavirus Test Swabs From Italy to Tennessee

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020 ... ee/163879/

"The U.S. Air Force quietly flew 500,000 swabs for COVID-19 testing kits from Italy to Memphis, Tennessee, on Monday, Defense One has learned.

Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman confirmed the shipment on board an Air National Guard aircraft. The plane carried “swabs” that are used in the COVID-19 testing process, he said during a Wednesday afternoon briefing at the Pentagon."


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"The New Normal"

What's with all of the bold and giant non-relevant comments?

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But are they used ones?

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US Air Force Flew Half a Million Coronavirus Test Swabs From Italy to Tennessee

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020 ... ee/163879/

"The U.S. Air Force quietly flew 500,000 swabs for COVID-19 testing kits from Italy to Memphis, Tennessee, on Monday, Defense One has learned.

Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman confirmed the shipment on board an Air National Guard aircraft. The plane carried “swabs” that are used in the COVID-19 testing process, he said during a Wednesday afternoon briefing at the Pentagon."


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