Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd
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Re: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd
I don't know if the 13th Armored Division being in this mod is an alternate history thing, but in reality it was in Europe at this time. I stumbled on the 13th Armored Group (I think) in a book or online somewhere, and it was the administrative HQ of the U.S. Army's independent tank battalions on Okinawa (and possibly earlier). So, I could see the 13AD as a balance to the IJA's extra tank units in this mod, or it could be a mistake if someone thought it was involved in the theater this early. Perhaps John could chime in.
Cheers,
CB
Cheers,
CB
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Re: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd
EDit: Franklin is a new fleet build. I was thinking about the Bunker Hill.bigred wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:34 pmThe Franklin has just rejoined the fleet after 9 months in the yards. Up thread the Franklin was involved in the 1943 Kodiak Disaster. Japan may have her number next turn.BBfanboy wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:50 pm Will CV Franklin and CVL Princeton fare better than they did IRL? The world wonders ...![]()
Re: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd
John stated earlier in this AAR that the 13th AR was a land issue imported with Dababes.CaptBeefheart wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 9:09 am I don't know if the 13th Armored Division being in this mod is an alternate history thing, but in reality it was in Europe at this time. I stumbled on the 13th Armored Group (I think) in a book or online somewhere, and it was the administrative HQ of the U.S. Army's independent tank battalions on Okinawa (and possibly earlier). So, I could see the 13AD as a balance to the IJA's extra tank units in this mod, or it could be a mistake if someone thought it was involved in the theater this early. Perhaps John could chime in.
Cheers,
CB
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13th Armored Group PTO. Activated a Fort Lewis, Washington on 1 November 1943 under IV Corps. Moved to Fort Ord, California 21 February 1943 and assigned to III Corps. Departed San Francisco 21 October 1944, and arrived in New Guinea on 12 November 9144. Landed in the Philippine Islands on 11 January 1945. Returned to San Francisco on 10 January 1946 and inactivate at Camp Stoneman, California on 12 January 1946. Luzon
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Re: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd
Thanks for finding that. My google skills must have atrophied, as I couldn't find it on the Internets a couple of days ago.
Still, as an AFB it must be fun having an extra armored division around to play with.
Cheers,
CB
Still, as an AFB it must be fun having an extra armored division around to play with.
Cheers,
CB
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Re: RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd
see page 41bigred wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:09 pmORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart
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Dont know, ask John. But I saw I could buy it out. The 13th AR seems destined for the Irrawaddy valley.[:D]
Excellent. It would be fun to have something like wreaking havoc in Burma. Do you get enough M4 replacements support the division?
Cheers,
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night time air strikes next turn.
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Combat reports are coming in. Most data this post is stil to be confirmed.
1. Reports again say bangkok has fallen w/ troop withdrawl to ayruthia. Ground support followed these japs to aruthia on day 2.
Ground combat at Bangkok (56,62)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 43834 troops, 794 guns, 1537 vehicles, Assault Value = 1462
Defending force 16312 troops, 245 guns, 193 vehicles, Assault Value = 31
Allied adjusted assault: 501
Japanese adjusted defense: 119
Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)
Allied forces CAPTURE Bangkok !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)
Japanese ground losses:
7666 casualties reported
Squads: 191 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 251 destroyed, 116 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 103 (96 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 86 (83 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 20
2. IJN KB retreated from SOPAC no action.
3. Recon reported 240 IJA tank unit at docks of Omanato. Reaction force dispached by A. Burke included 11 flechers to night bombard Omanato but never arrived. Met by Kurita off Bihoro.
Day Time Surface Combat, near Kushiro at 124,53, Range 18,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 3
CL Sakawa, Shell hits 1
CLAA Isuzu
DD Kishinami, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Matsumo
DD Naragumo, Shell hits 1
DD Keyakigumo, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Nire, Shell hits 2
DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Karakaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
Allied Ships
DD Bradford
DD Harrison
DD Hickox, Shell hits 1
DD Laws
DD Luce
DD Prichett, Shell hits 2
DD Yarnall, Shell hits 3
DD Cassin Young
DD Isaac Sweers, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Jervis
DD John 3rd, Shell hits 5, on fire
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Burke, Arleigh A. crosses the 'T'
4. After this battle IJN stays for allied followup naval attack.
Day Time Surface Combat, near Kushiro at 124,53, Range 18,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Sakawa
CLAA Isuzu
DD Kishinami, on fire
DD Matsumo
DD Naragumo, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Keyakigumo, on fire
DD Nire
DD Shimakaze, heavy fires
DD Karakaze, heavy fires
Allied Ships
BC Constellation, Shell hits 11
DMS Trevor, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Scott, Norman crosses the 'T'
5. Then allied naval decides to pile on.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 124,53
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 5
N1K1 Rex x 32
Ki-61-Id Tony x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 29
Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 103
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 29
TBF-1 Avenger x 38
TBM-1C Avenger x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1 Rex: 4 destroyed
Ki-61-Id Tony: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 17 destroyed
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 2 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 4 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Naragumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CLAA Isuzu
BB Fuso, Bomb hits 4, on fire
DD Shimakaze, heavy fires
DD Nire, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Keyakigumo, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Kishinami, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Karakaze, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
6. Then Wakkani falls to the 2nd and 3rd Marine divisions on the 2nd day. The victors of NE AUS, Noumae and now wonder if the IJA are using teens and old men in these jap infantry units.
Ground combat at Wakkanai (122,48)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 24376 troops, 319 guns, 392 vehicles, Assault Value = 582
Defending force 10588 troops, 111 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 304
Allied adjusted assault: 501
Japanese adjusted defense: 145
Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1)
Allied forces CAPTURE Wakkanai !!!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 10 destroyed
H8K2 Emily: 4 destroyed
E15K1 Norm: 3 destroyed
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1590 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 81 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 52 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 46 (34 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
234 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 41 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Assaulting units:
2nd Marine Division
50th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
151st Cmbt Engineer Battalion
3rd Marine Division
1st Arm Amphib Battalion
Defending units:
58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
54th Ind.Mixed Brigade
16th Ind.Mixed Regiment
37th Ind Engineer Regiment
Soya Fortress
So allies have captured a port on Hodaki.
In other strat bombing news, a daylight b29 strike occured at Sendai against the KI84 factory.
Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 1
A7M2 Sam x 5
N1K1 Rex x 1
Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 4
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank factory hits 10
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 5000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
Combat reports are coming in. Most data this post is stil to be confirmed.
1. Reports again say bangkok has fallen w/ troop withdrawl to ayruthia. Ground support followed these japs to aruthia on day 2.
Ground combat at Bangkok (56,62)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 43834 troops, 794 guns, 1537 vehicles, Assault Value = 1462
Defending force 16312 troops, 245 guns, 193 vehicles, Assault Value = 31
Allied adjusted assault: 501
Japanese adjusted defense: 119
Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)
Allied forces CAPTURE Bangkok !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)
Japanese ground losses:
7666 casualties reported
Squads: 191 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 251 destroyed, 116 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 103 (96 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 86 (83 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 20
2. IJN KB retreated from SOPAC no action.
3. Recon reported 240 IJA tank unit at docks of Omanato. Reaction force dispached by A. Burke included 11 flechers to night bombard Omanato but never arrived. Met by Kurita off Bihoro.
Day Time Surface Combat, near Kushiro at 124,53, Range 18,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 3
CL Sakawa, Shell hits 1
CLAA Isuzu
DD Kishinami, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Matsumo
DD Naragumo, Shell hits 1
DD Keyakigumo, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Nire, Shell hits 2
DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Karakaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
Allied Ships
DD Bradford
DD Harrison
DD Hickox, Shell hits 1
DD Laws
DD Luce
DD Prichett, Shell hits 2
DD Yarnall, Shell hits 3
DD Cassin Young
DD Isaac Sweers, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Jervis
DD John 3rd, Shell hits 5, on fire
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Burke, Arleigh A. crosses the 'T'
4. After this battle IJN stays for allied followup naval attack.
Day Time Surface Combat, near Kushiro at 124,53, Range 18,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Sakawa
CLAA Isuzu
DD Kishinami, on fire
DD Matsumo
DD Naragumo, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Keyakigumo, on fire
DD Nire
DD Shimakaze, heavy fires
DD Karakaze, heavy fires
Allied Ships
BC Constellation, Shell hits 11
DMS Trevor, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Scott, Norman crosses the 'T'
5. Then allied naval decides to pile on.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 124,53
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 5
N1K1 Rex x 32
Ki-61-Id Tony x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 29
Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 103
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 29
TBF-1 Avenger x 38
TBM-1C Avenger x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1 Rex: 4 destroyed
Ki-61-Id Tony: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 17 destroyed
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 2 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 4 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Naragumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CLAA Isuzu
BB Fuso, Bomb hits 4, on fire
DD Shimakaze, heavy fires
DD Nire, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Keyakigumo, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Kishinami, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Karakaze, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
6. Then Wakkani falls to the 2nd and 3rd Marine divisions on the 2nd day. The victors of NE AUS, Noumae and now wonder if the IJA are using teens and old men in these jap infantry units.
Ground combat at Wakkanai (122,48)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 24376 troops, 319 guns, 392 vehicles, Assault Value = 582
Defending force 10588 troops, 111 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 304
Allied adjusted assault: 501
Japanese adjusted defense: 145
Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1)
Allied forces CAPTURE Wakkanai !!!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 10 destroyed
H8K2 Emily: 4 destroyed
E15K1 Norm: 3 destroyed
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1590 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 81 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 52 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 46 (34 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
234 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 41 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Assaulting units:
2nd Marine Division
50th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
151st Cmbt Engineer Battalion
3rd Marine Division
1st Arm Amphib Battalion
Defending units:
58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
54th Ind.Mixed Brigade
16th Ind.Mixed Regiment
37th Ind Engineer Regiment
Soya Fortress
So allies have captured a port on Hodaki.
In other strat bombing news, a daylight b29 strike occured at Sendai against the KI84 factory.
Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 1
A7M2 Sam x 5
N1K1 Rex x 1
Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 4
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank factory hits 10
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 5000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Re: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd
Picked up chicken chow mein at the mall and saw this display. Rome Ga.
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Re: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd
July 5th and 6th. Oddly, Todau is July 3rd in real time. We are syncing up.
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The Burma Army is now the Thai army, or CTI. On this blow up allies need to clear a 2 hexes for the Chang Mai rail line to be up and running. Japs retreated onto my Raheing-Moulmein Road. Hopefully this is a minor event as the road from Moulmein to Bangkok is wide open.
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Aruythia is last hex standing on the line. It will probably go allied with attack next turn.bigred wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:59 pm The Burma Army is now the Thai army, or CTI. On this blow up allies need to clear a 2 hexes for the Chang Mai rail line to be up and running. Japs retreated onto my Raheing-Moulmein Road. Hopefully this is a minor event as the road from Moulmein to Bangkok is wide open.
Re: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd
July 8 and 9th. In CBI, The IJA 25th army is stuck in the woods on east side of Chang Mai rail line except some units defending Aruythia (probably cleared next turn).
John may now regret sending his CVEs into CentPac because his 5 divs at Medan appear to be stuck also. Allied air and sea beat down alot of transports around Medan.
I since quality of JAP pilots is down and supply an issue as I see more and more bombing runs from Nells that should have been in torp attacks.
SoPac is a stalled operating area because of frequent visits from a reconstituted 500 plane 4/3 speed KB. My read is John wants to keep the oil shipments to HI open and is willing to slowly sacrifice the CBI. Still, Rabaul is now surrounded by air and SEALOC. Truk is in range of my b24s from Manus. Soon also from Kavieng, which just fell this turn. Will I now bypass Rabaul and Truk. We will see. In my last game against FatR, It took me 5 allied divisions 100 prep to capture Truk. The first 2 that landed were torched.
NoPac: IIRC the exp level of IJA reserve BDEs is 35. These units need to train up and have some experience in China. Unfortunately for Japan the IJA in Hokkaido appears to be fielding these units early into battle. My read from combat reports tell me the allies are having an easy time pushing around these IJA BDE. I am soon expecting to see 2 or 3 real jap divisions. Then the test will begin for ground victory on Hokkaido
John may now regret sending his CVEs into CentPac because his 5 divs at Medan appear to be stuck also. Allied air and sea beat down alot of transports around Medan.
I since quality of JAP pilots is down and supply an issue as I see more and more bombing runs from Nells that should have been in torp attacks.
SoPac is a stalled operating area because of frequent visits from a reconstituted 500 plane 4/3 speed KB. My read is John wants to keep the oil shipments to HI open and is willing to slowly sacrifice the CBI. Still, Rabaul is now surrounded by air and SEALOC. Truk is in range of my b24s from Manus. Soon also from Kavieng, which just fell this turn. Will I now bypass Rabaul and Truk. We will see. In my last game against FatR, It took me 5 allied divisions 100 prep to capture Truk. The first 2 that landed were torched.
NoPac: IIRC the exp level of IJA reserve BDEs is 35. These units need to train up and have some experience in China. Unfortunately for Japan the IJA in Hokkaido appears to be fielding these units early into battle. My read from combat reports tell me the allies are having an easy time pushing around these IJA BDE. I am soon expecting to see 2 or 3 real jap divisions. Then the test will begin for ground victory on Hokkaido
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44-7-10. This TF was attacked by 6 Jap nav air attacks over2 days. I had no CAP(mistake). In 1943 these ships would be sunk. In mid '44 seems I can sail were I want with no fear of IJ nav air (except around the monster mini KB). Next turn this TF will have CAP.
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The Chang Mai to Bangkok RR is open.
The CA Maya is spotted off south Sumatra below Krakatoa.
The Port at Wakkanai is cleared but port engineers under heavy Jap air attack that sinks my AKE.
The Japs wait too late to attack at Bihoro as the 7th INF div+ 6 ART battalions arrive in move mode(just in time).
IJN SCTFs spotted at baker island.
Air assault into the Thailand central plains.
The Chang Mai to Bangkok RR is open.
The CA Maya is spotted off south Sumatra below Krakatoa.
The Port at Wakkanai is cleared but port engineers under heavy Jap air attack that sinks my AKE.
The Japs wait too late to attack at Bihoro as the 7th INF div+ 6 ART battalions arrive in move mode(just in time).
IJN SCTFs spotted at baker island.
Air assault into the Thailand central plains.
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