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5 May 42, Coral Sea

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5 May 42: Coral Sea, Aftershocks

Following the a.m. Main Event several small actions result from the buzz created by so many units in the area. Massive diverts scatter USN Carrier planes to PM, Cooktown, Cairns, and Townsville. Similarly the IJN Diverts A/C to Lae and Rabaul.

The Air Groups of both sides have been effectively torn apart from a lack of suitable flight decks. This diaspora contributes to the utter chaos as fragmented units form ad hoc strikes to get one last lick in on a wounded enemy or to find retribution for the morning's dishonor.

The afternoon in particular sees frantic attempts by both forces to make good on the perceived weakness of the other.


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Honor must be maintained: The Tainan Ku S-1 Catch the PM Defenders flatfooted
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Afternoon Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-21 Zero x 13


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 3
P-400 Airacobra x 4


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-21 Zero: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
1 x A6M2-21 Zero sweeping at 26000 feet (Tainan Ku S-1 / 25th Air Flotilla)
3 x A6M2-21 Zero sweeping at 26000 feet (Tainan Ku S-1 / 25th Air Flotilla)
4 x A6M2-21 Zero sweeping at 26000 feet (Tainan Ku S-1 / 25th Air Flotilla)

The stars of the Show from Shoho attempt to reach out one last time to secure the retreat of the AMPHIBGRUs and the demise of Lexington. They report little resistance from the CAP and 2 Torpedo hits to The Fighting Lady. This group has been stellar in the day's action, though they benefited from weakened defenses.
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The Shoho Kates get one last chance for glory despite a strong showing by the meager Defenses
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Cooktown at 98,138

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-21 Zero x 5
B5N2 Kate x 9


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-21 Zero: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet (EII-3 Daitai / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
1 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet (EIII-3 Daitai / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet (EII-3 Daitai / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Having plenty of Daylight left, the members of VB-5 stranded at PM enlist a division of 35th PD Airacobas to make an attack on the only remaining IJN CV as she escorts the failed invasion force out of the Coral Sea. The P-400 drivers suffer the consequences and the raid fails to hit paydirt.

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The Shoho Zekes continue to impress...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,134

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-21 Zero x 5


Allied aircraft
P-400 Airacobra x 4
SBD-3 Dauntless x 7


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-21 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-400 Airacobra: 3 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Shoho


Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 2000 feet (VB-5 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 2000 feet (VB-5 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

Lexington manages to launch a small raid at Shoho, though cannot afford to provide escort. The raid is ineffective. Shoho sails under a lucky star...


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,138

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4
SBD-3 Dauntless x 7


Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko
CA Haguro, on fire


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 2000 feet (VS-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 2000 feet (VS-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb


A final attempt for the day to clear the skies over PM. This Sweep is thrown together by remnants of CARDIV 5's Zeke squadrons and the Tainan Ku S-2 from Rabaul. Surely the PM defenders can't keep this up!
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Afternoon Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-21 Zero x 10


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 1
P-400 Airacobra x 2


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 damaged
P-400 Airacobra: 1 destroyed



A final Scratch raid from PM on the retreating AMPHIBGRUs...for good measure.
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,134

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-21 Zero x 3


Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 12
TBD-1 Devastator x 3


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAP Tatsuta Maru, Bomb hits 1
xAP Miike Maru
xAP Asama Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires

Japanese ground losses:
232 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 2000 feet (VB-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
3 x TBD-1 Devastator bombing from 5000 feet (VT-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 2000 feet (VB-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 2000 feet (VB-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

The Battle of the Coral Sea is over. Now all that remain is taking stock of losses and rebuilding for operations as usual in the morning and the coming weeks. It's going to be a long road...
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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Great read Elf! Just curious on Pilot Losses.

When the IJN CV's sank, what happened to all the pilots? In WITP the answer is they all die. In AE, were any rescued? How long until they appear in the pool?
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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I am refering to Halsey and his alleged knowledge - do not know about his relation to the project -
his interpretation of your postings i,e:

The IJN retained the scenario's aircraft group settings.
While I reset the USN CV's to my own preferences.

Quoting by reference

which kind of triggered my questions with regard to the "authenticity" or rather usefulnes of this threads "revelations".
On top this thread - in my lights (however dim) - endevours to cover up a rather big issue not adressed in AE - or not revealed to be adressed : Carrier clashes.

A rather candid statement on progress in this department would be of help- some stuff like Halseys just confuses the issue. Unless this is the point of the thread.

The relevance of leader selection has been established a long time ago,

Again: What is the point of this thread: Entertainment - fine by me. Just tell ..


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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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ORIGINAL: vonSchnitter

I am refering to Halsey and his alleged knowledge - do not know about his relation to the project -
his interpretation of your postings i,e:
Halsey is a Beta tester and long time member of this community.
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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So What ?

What purpose does this thread serve ? Give Halsey a position to show his proficiency in naval air matters ?
Come to the point please
I will buy AE anyway - your input just may delay my playing it to patch level 2


What is more - the whole perfomance ma be a nice against the AI - more A than I - but what concerns me more is - how will this stuff survive the test of a pbm
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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The pilot losses question earlier was a good one, and I hope it will get answered. Another one: could you (Elf) lift the FOW for us to assess the outcome, please? If I see this right, an engagement of 2 U.S. CV against 2 1/2 Jap CV in early 1942 resulted in 2 Jap CV lost and both U.S. CV retreating to fight another day.

In overall playtesting, is the Japanese side capable of challenging the U.S. through '43? These results here don't bode well...
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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ORIGINAL: vonSchnitter

So What ?

What purpose does this thread serve ? Give Halsey a position to show his proficiency in naval air matters ?
Come to the point please
I will buy AE anyway - your input just may delay my playing it to patch level 2


What is more - the whole perfomance ma be a nice against the AI - more A than I - but what concerns me more is - how will this stuff survive the test of a pbm
Cheers

For the forseeable future this thread is an historical record...

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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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More than a historical record,Elf, most of us appreciate the narrative very much and for those of us VERY familiar with UV,WITP, CHS and RHS, we are getting a lot of inside, in-depth understanding as to how much things have changed for the much,much better..

I will never be so childish as to make an ultimatim regarding my intended purchases.

I will.

'Nuff said....
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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on "historical record" for what:

irreverance of a forum member with regard to well what ?
well founded questions of forum members with regard to special aspects of "improvement" under scruteny stated in the thread starters goals
or as a failed pr drive

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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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to m10bob

yep, I am a noob. I own up on this.

I did not get UV the day it came out. It took me a week to catch up on d/l on WitP - and no I am not running a web site on ww2 aviation issues.

And still: UV started as an operational game, WitP tried to expand on this - and as it looks (going by Halsey) AE is going down to technicalities which barely warant the label of tactical - but may please the hardest of core.

Anyway, if the chaps responsible for a project go "chicken out" that easily, you know something is wrong.
There is a saying in german for that: Beleidigte Leberwurst.

This just indicates: something is wrong, very wrong.
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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Only giving another view of a similar action in the scenario.
Just letting you know that experience and new air routines will give dfferent results.
As it should.[;)]

Let the Elf continue on with his excellent AAR.
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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ORIGINAL: vonSchnitter

to m10bob

yep, I am a noob. I own up on this.

I did not get UV the day it came out. It took me a week to catch up on d/l on WitP - and no I am not running a web site on ww2 aviation issues.

And still: UV started as an operational game, WitP tried to expand on this - and as it looks (going by Halsey) AE is going down to technicalities which barely warant the label of tactical - but may please the hardest of core.

Anyway, if the chaps responsible for a project go "chicken out" that easily, you know something is wrong.
There is a saying in german for that: Beleidigte Leberwurst.

This just indicates: something is wrong, very wrong.

Von ... I am not clear as to the meaning of most of your words - though I'll admit there are lots of them. Regardless, one good way to start out on this forum is to listen more and talk less - then maybe you will get the hang of things.


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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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Von ... I am not clear as to the meaning of most of your words - though I'll admit there are lots of them. Regardless, one good way to start out on this forum is to listen more and talk less - then maybe you will get the hang of things.



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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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ORIGINAL: vonSchnitter

Again: What is the point of this thread: Entertainment - fine by me. Just tell ..

Here's a thought, you could read the very first lines of the first post in this thread:
ORIGINAL: TheElf

Ok, you are all in luck. I have convinced the powers that be that it would be a good idea to expose a little bit of what is going on in AE. This is a Benchmarking Test that aims to check the performance of the A2A routines in a HISTORIC setting.

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DISCLAIMER: This is meant to give everyone a bit on insight. A preview, if you will, of what is going on behind the curtain. WE ARE IN BETA. Whatever dynamics, trends, paradigms you detect or disagree with are subject to change. Let's not ruin this for everyone. This is not intended to foster debate or support anyone's agenda. Mostly just enjoy and take the time to learn about what is in store with AE.
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Or, failing that, you could be arrogant and demanding and troll-like. Your choice.

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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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ive read and re-read his posts and im still not sure what he wants someone to tell him
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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It's not even certain that he DOES want somebody to tell him something. There are people who just whine for the sake of whining.
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

It's not even certain that he DOES want somebody to tell him something. There are people who just whine for the sake of whining.

according to my German colleague sat next to me 'There is a saying in german for that: Beleidigte Leberwurst.' means sulky sausage - which i think aptly describes the poster and not the development team!!

ENOUGH!! - back to the good bits - the AAR, excellent so far, very absorbing and immersive even for such a brief snapshot of a beta test
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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Indeed.
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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Ummm ... so, what happened to the pilots? And how does it look for the U.S. CVs?
 
I thought those questions were not totally out of bounds, even given that "dynamics, trends, paradigms you detect or disagree with are subject to change". It's kind of sad to see this thread terminate because it got hijacked by a nitwit.
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RE: 5 May 42, Coral Sea

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I'm curoius how it turned out for the pilots, as I think Elf commented in another AE thread that he wanted to fix the WITP problem of all pilots sinking with the ship. So, just wondering how it's working in AE, how many were rescued, and what happens to them (I think they go in the pool for a time?)
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