New Star Trek movie

[pasternakski]

Well, for me, the whole problem has been making movies out of the original Star Trek series in the first place. It's kind of like what happened when people like Eddie Murphy, Bill Murray, Steve Martin and Jim Carrey decided they were funny, went off to be movie stars, and have never made me so much as smile, let alone laugh, since their early TV days. Look what happened to the Beatles when John decided he was Jesus, George became Gandhi, and Paul convinced himself he was cute?

The original series had a certain campy charm and magic to it - seeing Bill Shatner trying to be some bizarre combination of John Wayne, Gary Cooper and Errol Flynn was kicky enough in itself.

You just can't recreate that by pandering to it. "Oh, here we have the original Star Trek idea and characters. Let's write a screenplay that will make that into a hugely entertaining (and, therefore, profitable) movie - shoot, even a series of movies."

Never worked for me. This last movie? I had just met a sweet young thang who showed even more signs of promise than Kobe Bryant's fourth-quarter game. She apparently decided that, in order to get to the place where I would be willing to sustain her in the life to which she would like to be accustomed, she should let me take her to see this movie.

I was never so bored in all my life. Then, we went back to my place and went to bed.

It's not every day you have to retract "I was never so bored in all my life" and replace it with a new episode that bored you even more...

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ORIGINAL: Marauders

"There are always possibilities" --Spock, from TOS

Agreed, and logical.

How do you know that XII will not erase XI and restore the timeline? It's Sci-fi... ANYTHING can happen. Heck, death doesn't even count in Sci-fi!

I suspect that may be so.

Even if your two episodes are erased, the erasure of the three I mentioned would more than balance the scales. In fact that's a 3 to 2 tip in favor of positive! It's all good.

It doesn't work that way. TV series are great because of the great episodes.

And TV series are crappy (and cancelled) because of the crappy episodes.

ORIGINAL: Marauders
Amok Time and Journey to Babel are top five episodes.

But in context, all they did was solidify what was already there. The momentum was there before those second season episodes.

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Eliminating them will not be balanced by eliminating some of the worst episodes. One can always not watch the bad episodes.

Their loss would be more than offset by eliminating the episodes that brought the show down and/or killed it. There are just-as-good, and even better episodes to carry the loss of the Vulcan-centric episodes.

TV series are a perfect example of the adage "1,000 atta' boys are erased by 1 oh sh*t."

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I don't believe that will be the case.

It may not be, but there are always possibilities... for instance I did not believe there was anyway for me to avoid hating the the 2009 movie.

As an aside, Memory Alpha now refers to the new movie timeline as Alternate Trek and the original as Prime Trek.

[pasternakski]

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TV series are a perfect example of the adage "1,000 atta' boys are erased by 1 oh sh*t."

And TV is a constant flow of 1,000 "oh shits" followed by maybe one "attaboy."

Maybe. And the odds are getting longer.

I did not believe there was anyway for me to avoid hating the the 2009 movie.

That's like having a head-on collision with Tyra Banks. Why would you want to avoid it?

As an aside, Memory Alpha now refers to the new movie timeline as Alternate Trek and the original as Prime Trek.

Makes you wanna puke like a poisoned dog, don't it?

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ORIGINAL: pasternakski

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TV series are a perfect example of the adage "1,000 atta' boys are erased by 1 oh sh*t."

And TV is a constant flow of 1,000 "oh shits" followed by maybe one "attaboy."

Maybe. And the odds are getting longer.

That's another reason I don't watch broadcast TV. I let everyone else sift the wheat from the chaff, and then I watch on DVD.

I did not believe there was anyway for me to avoid hating the the 2009 movie.

ORIGINAL: pasternakski
That's like having a head-on collision with Tyra Banks. Why would you want to avoid it?

As I don't watch broadcast TV, I don't know who that is. My point was that I did like the movie, in spite of expecting the worst.

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

As an aside, Memory Alpha now refers to the new movie timeline as Alternate Trek and the original as Prime Trek.

Makes you wanna puke like a poisoned dog, don't it?

Not sure of your drift there... I just found it interesting that "they" didn't consider the movie "canon." The movie reminded me of how I ended up enjoying Enterprise, as a "purist" I merely had to pretend the series was an alternate universe and found it enjoyable overall. The movie flat out is an alternative universe (timeline), so it's all good. Oh sure, there are a million ways to poke holes in it, but the same can and has been said about all Trek to date. I thought it was a fun movie. Sort of an alternative "Trek-lite" aimed at younger generations, but with enough of the original referenced to give it a little dual quality (like the original Batman TV show did... one action level for the kids, one parody level for the adults).