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[Mad Russian]

The one realistic place to have Soviet female soldiers would be snipers. Otherwise you are looking at so few that they were extremely rare. Medics, nurses, adminstration, yes, combat units not so many. I have some pictures of a few that were tank drivers but not more than a handful. I know of NO women in Soviet infantry combat units.

As Ben said, rather than concentrate on something so rare we're trying to work our way down from the more common place items to less common place. Women in Soviet uniforms are extremely rare if you don't count snipers.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Jacko]

ORIGINAL: diablo1

And once again the female gets descriminated against because of her MINOR part in a MAJOR effor. Personally I don't think anything or anyone was minor in that war. Every ounce of blood whether male or female wasn't minor when one of them was losing it.

Give your sniper a female name then and let these guys concentrate themselves on a serious subject.

[Richie61]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

After 2+ years of working on the update though it's time to turn it loose.

That's what I want to hear [:D]

[diablo1]

I know about them, and that they are a very, very minor part of the big picture. I'm far more interested about adding Axis minor troops than female partisans.

Do you think I THINK you said that or did you say that? ^

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

The one realistic place to have Soviet female soldiers would be snipers. Otherwise you are looking at so few that they were extremely rare. Medics, nurses, adminstration, yes, combat units not so many. I have some pictures of a few that were tank drivers but not more than a handful. I know of NO women in Soviet infantry combat units.

As Ben said, rather than concentrate on something so rare we're trying to work our way down from the more common place items to less common place. Women in Soviet uniforms are extremely rare if you don't count snipers.

Good Hunting.

MR

70% of the 800,000 Russian women who served in the Soviet army in WW2 fought at the front. One hundred thousand of them were decorated for defending their country.



Alexandra Beikov and her husband Ivan bought their own tank so they could go into WW2 together. She was awarded the order of the Patriotic War.

Maria Baide, a scout in the Crimea was awarded Russia's highest honor, Hero of the Soviet Union.

Over 800,000 women served in the Soviet army during WW2. They served as pilots, snipers, machine gunners, tank crew members and partisans

All I requested was one little measly female partisian unit and I get "how minor they were in the big picture comments."

[benpark]

About what I'm more interested in adding?

I am more interested in adding large scale combat forces than peripheral models (very time consuming).

It has nothing to do with if people were heroic, or suffered etc. This is a game, and we are trying to depict things that will be of the most use to the majority of situations.

[diablo1]

Ok that's fine I'll just drop it. You can go back to making your little model TREES! Yeah boy I'm so excited about those things.

[spellir74]

Three things to bear in mind, though-

1. We are a "Dad's Army" working on the game- a volunteer force. We are pretty different in terms of most any other game development out there. We are all modders and tinkerers laboring for the joy of it, only somewhat organized so that we can get a good update out. This means we will get to stuff that isn't as pressing when we can.

It is percent based, in four steps including death.

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: diablo1

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

The one realistic place to have Soviet female soldiers would be snipers. Otherwise you are looking at so few that they were extremely rare. Medics, nurses, adminstration, yes, combat units not so many. I have some pictures of a few that were tank drivers but not more than a handful. I know of NO women in Soviet infantry combat units.

As Ben said, rather than concentrate on something so rare we're trying to work our way down from the more common place items to less common place. Women in Soviet uniforms are extremely rare if you don't count snipers.

Good Hunting.

MR

70% of the 800,000 Russian women who served in the Soviet army in WW2 fought at the front. One hundred thousand of them were decorated for defending their country.



Alexandra Beikov and her husband Ivan bought their own tank so they could go into WW2 together. She was awarded the order of the Patriotic War.

Maria Baide, a scout in the Crimea was awarded Russia's highest honor, Hero of the Soviet Union.

Over 800,000 women served in the Soviet army during WW2. They served as pilots, snipers, machine gunners, tank crew members and partisans

All I requested was one little measly female partisian unit and I get "how minor they were in the big picture comments."

ROFL!!!

Okay then. Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

A woman and her husband buy a tank to fight in and it makes international news. You know why? Because it's a rare thing.

Yes, at the moment there are other things we want to include in PCO. The fact that we don't have partisans may have something to do with the fact that we don't have a "woman" partisan.

I would rather concentrate on getting the interface and the main equipment set in the game before we do other exotic things like women partisans.

Now, if you have such a bee in your bonnet to have them, they can be done. The greatest thing about PC in my opinion is that anything can be added. You can do whatever you like. I'm not a modder or I would have had women Soviet snipers in the game at the moment. I asked for them but have not gotten them. It wasn't high on my list of things to see but I felt it would add flavor to the game.

Reading down the same page from where you got your quote you would have seen:

The Soviet Union also used women for sniping duties extensively, and to great effect, including Nina Alexeyevna Lobkovskaya and Ukrainian Lyudmila Pavlichenko (who killed over 300 enemy soldiers). The Soviets found that sniper duties fit women well, since good snipers are patient, careful, deliberate, can avoid hand-to-hand combat, and need higher levels of aerobic conditioning than other troops. Women also served as machine gunners, tank drivers, medics, communication personnel and political officers. Manshuk Mametova was a machine gunner from Kazakhstan and was the first Soviet Asian woman to receive the Hero of the Soviet Union for acts of bravery.

In most other places women weren't concentrated enough to really notice.

Almost half of those serving were in antiaircraft units.

About 300,000 served in anti—aircraft units and performed all functions in the batteries—including firing the guns. A small number were combat flyers in the Air Force.

That cuts down the number in combat units by about half the 800,000 you quoted. I was trying to find an article I thought remembered. It was about an all woman infantry unit. ONE COMBAT UNIT. But I couldn't find it. Mostly what you see are references to a tank driver here and there. Lots of medics in combat units and many of the administrative duties of combat units. Things men did in other countries.

When it comes to partisans you're absolutely correct. Not just for the Soviet Union but for all nations. Once we do partisans then you'll get a woman as well. I would expect to see one as a sniper before then though.

Good Hunting.

MR

[spellir74]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

Anyone wanting to mod the animations to make them better can do so.


Not to nitpick either but you do want to play this game right? We've already spent 2 years on this update. It's already WAY overdue. We could keep adding features and making it better and there would be exactly 12 people playing it. We thought at some point the rest of you would like to play it too. To do that we have to stop making improvements and give what we have done to you.

That's where we are now.

Good Hunting.

MR

Well I am new to this game as that was my first post. I really don't care about the animations as much as I do about a ratio of time vs ground covered at the various paces. I don't think my questions/remarks were outrageous. It seems though that I have struck a nerve. [&:]

mo reb

Speeds for everything were calculated by real world values --before we got here. A certain amount of meters covered in a certain amount of time (per real world, just like armor and penetration). I imagine the values [for eg slow med fast] are fairly realistic enough.

Changing the inf speed "mechanics"(engine values) to sync up with the animations would NOT be the way to go (unless the INF movement values were found to be unrealistic). Changing the INF animations is the way to go.

The infantry is going to be changed substantially after the patch for PzC:next. There will also be changes added by Ben and I before that.

We started off the patch studiously avoiding infantry mechanics by directive; and that mind set stuck with us even though the "patch" project ballooned.

[Stridor]

Ravinhood I agree with you!

You go girl!

So I added a russain sniper girl model for you, I hope you like it.

[collegeprof]

I for one am excited about the pending release ! And I must applaud matrix for providing this huge amount of material, as a FREE UPDATE, for those of us whom already own PzC karkov and winterstorm! Unlike many other game companies out there that charge for patches in the vague form of an expansion (think hearts of iron 3 semper fi), Matrix has this thing right. I for one, am proud of what Matrix has done to date, and look forward to downloading this update. Like nearly everything in reality, what one wants is always tempered by things like: budget, time, expertise, standards, desires, wants, and so on. It reminds me of the famous cartoon of the playground - a multi panel cartoon, where you see an image of the playground as the students want it to be, as the principal wants it, as the school board wants it, as the financial secretary wants it, as the health and safety people want it, and finally, how it actually gets built. Like the previous posting mentioned, eventually one has to "freeze" the design and just do it, rather than keep adding and putting things off. In many ways its like construction engineering - theres the "plan" then theres how it was really built. Lets get on with this, make sure its not buggy being the most important, and be happy with what we get. After all, it is FREE, and for me, that makes it priceless and worth the wait ! Kudos to Matrix for doing this.!

[spellir74]

ORIGINAL: diablo1

And once again the female gets descriminated against because of her MINOR part in a MAJOR effor. Personally I don't think anything or anyone was minor in that war. Every ounce of blood whether male or female wasn't minor when one of them was losing it.

That's a joke right?

If not, you're wack.

But anyway, to whom it may concern:

[spellir74]

ORIGINAL: Stridor

Ravinhood I agree with you!

You go girl!

So I added a russain sniper girl model for you, I hope you like it.

I actually like Stridor's better.

The flower is the secret.

It is going to bring the navy back to port...

[Mad Russian]

ROFL! And her rifle will send them all back to sea!

Good Hunting.

MR

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

Nope you haven't struck a nerve. Sorry it came across that way. After 2+ years of working on the update though it's time to turn it loose. More features cost more time.

Since you're new, I'll tell you that there has been a PATCH promised for PCK for almost 3 years now. 2+ years ago we were asked to come and help do a patch and then start work on the next version of the game. About 2 months into that the original developer stopped being a company. Matrix had to acquire the game and reset everything from square one.

For those concerned with Matrix' commitment to the PC series that should tell you everything.


All during that time those of us they asked to work on the patch turned this into an update instead.

The infantry model of the game needs work. We know that. We've concentrated on making the interface better and game mechanics as much as possible for a PATCH. While Matrix was busy, and I do mean BUSY, we kept going because they were trying to get more help for us. At some point they realized we were doing it all and just let us go.

The infantry model is much better than it ever was before. It's not totally fixed yet.

So, for 2 years we've heard, IS IT DONE YET? THAT LOOKS GREAT BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS? THIS IS STILL BROKEN! and as I said, at some point we have to release what we have. We fully intend on getting the infantry right.

But, as I pointed out, someone may get tired of what the animations look like and mod them. That has happened with other games and once PCO is released I expect that to happen here as well.

There is normal walking, advancing which is more cautious and rushing forward which is less cautious. 3 modes of advance for infantry.

Maybe that's a better explanation to your comments.

Good Hunting.

MR

Sounds good. No hard feelings. The game looks great and I think y'all have a winner on your hands. Not sure why I never got the first couple games, but I plan on a first day purchase.

Would you advise buying the older game to get a feel for the system or just wait until this gets released? If I did happen to buy the older game am I correct that I would get the update then for free? Seems like an awful lot of work for a free update, but I guess the improvements will make for a better franchise series. CM Normandy isn't in my plans as I don't have a system that would run it decently.

[rickier65]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel
Would you advise buying the older game to get a feel for the system or just wait until this gets released? If I did happen to buy the older game am I correct that I would get the update then for free? Seems like an awful lot of work for a free update, but I guess the improvements will make for a better franchise series. CM Normandy isn't in my plans as I don't have a system that would run it decently.

I'd actually sugges waiting at this point. Some things from the earlier game may actually need to be "unlearned", and we are really close to having a Demo out that will have all the bells and whistles of the new game.

Rick

[Mad Russian]

I agree. PCO plays nothing like the earlier games. I'd wait and just learn the new system once.

Good Hunting.

MR

[AbnAirCav]

ORIGINAL: Richie61

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

After 2+ years of working on the update though it's time to turn it loose.

That's what I want to hear [:D]

+1, I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it. [8D]

[Mad Russian]

Sorry, no airborne cavalry in this update.....[:-]

Now if I can get terrain textures for jungle and some fireteams with M-14/16's and AK's we'll see some airborne cavalry then!! [&o]

You with Gary Owen?

Good Hunting.

MR