Maybe a New AAR

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RE: Maybe a New AAR

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Turn 11

A bit of a pocket east of Kiev. JAM tends to hold on too long sometimes, but this is purposeful, I think. My tanks are slowed here (remember I lost 2! turns due to mud in the south), and my desire to make up time has hammered the 1st Panzer. The pocket it weak, that really can't be helped. I see icicles forming on the brim of my hat, as the prospect of wintering west of the Don cities looms...


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Crimea 11

Here, the 11th Army is ready to be sent into the Crimea. I am sort of forced into this, for the same reason as all the other times. I am behind schedule, and sending the 11th toward Stalino would leave both large numbers of rested, refitted, and angry Soviets in my rear and I still would have a hard time reaching that city.

Better to shorten lines and try to remove this threat.


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Overall I am far behind schedule, and hurting. It is not just the mud that has hurt me, but my own mistakes. One has to play the Axis with a certain reckless finesse at times, and that has been lacking on my part. Still, the worst is yet to come. Think of the one place I would hate to have mud strike, and in a couple of turns it will.

Yep, for those paying attention, I got mud at about the worst time in all four sectors in the "clear" months...

I see a long winter ahead of me, maybe back in Poland...
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Too bad you could not clip that east/west rail line at the top of your salient up north. Sometimes it seems to go that way when stuff is going bad (bad mud rolls, just 1 hex more needed here or there, etc). Hang in there. 
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ORIGINAL: Klydon

Too bad you could not clip that east/west rail line at the top of your salient up north. Sometimes it seems to go that way when stuff is going bad (bad mud rolls, just 1 hex more needed here or there, etc). Hang in there. 
You have no idea how ominously prescient that comment is, but that will wait until my next update...[;)]
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By the way, PDH has the wrong turn numbers on his latest screenshots. Those are from his turn 12. As you can see from my screenshots, and the displayed turn, turn 11 ended with my shots, at the lines shown. His screenshots show his continuation of the offensive, and the breakthrough to Vyshny Volochek.
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When it rains, it pours...except in this game when it rains it means mud where I don't want it, out of supply units, stalled offensives, and general overal 'bleh.'
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Which is why he's got the previous shots listed as turn 11. It's either a case of wishful thinking, or an attempt to thoroughly confuse me. Or both. Or neither...[&:]
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I was originally going to post my screenshots in a different order. I wanted to first do an in-depth analysis of a pocket relief operation - mostly for my own morale boosting. Since it will necessarily run several posts, and the forum default 30 post page break will screw that up, I suppose I will show my less uplifting responses to PDH's brilliant continuation of his offensive near Moscow/Leningrad.

This screenshot shows my turn's ending positions in this region. As you can seen PDH is trying a strong right hook against Leningrad. At this stage 4th Pz Gp is still sitting near Luga licking its wounds, but not for long...

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Due to the page break, I'll post the losses/OOB collage here, though it screws with my sense of propriety (I like posting it as a closing post).

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As a change of pace, I'll post an analysis of a Soviet pocket relief operation. Against competent and aggressive Axis players, the Soviet player will be left with many cases of opening their turns to find pockets of various sizes being left out of supply at the start of their turn. Due to the IGO-UGO nature of the game, and the rules concerning units surrendering, rather than routing, it is a general goal of the Axis (and later Soviet) player to first isolate the pocketed units, and then attack them the next turn in order to maximize permanent losses by capture.

Conversely, the player on the receiving end of this needs to be able to relieve these pockets, if only temporarily, since this immediately resets the OOS flag on the pocketed units, and allows this cycle to be perpetuated. Theoretically, of course. Practically, these "moving pocket" battles will generally only go on for a couple of turns, given the proper execution by a competent player. However, should such a player ignore his flanks and drive on, he can often find his own mobile units counterpocketed and left low on supplies, fuel, and replacements, leading to an ever downward spiraling of his units effectiveness. This screenshots shows the positions at the start of my turn, of the Soviet forces pocketed in the Northern Ukraine.

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This shot shows the battle locations, and recon. It was taken at the end of the turn, so it is a bit "messy". However, it shows how much recon I run in some areas. If I need to know where the enemy is, I NEED to know, and I will fly dozens of missions in small areas, hundreds over the whole map. Cleaner shots will follow with more details.

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Out of sequence, but a cleaner shot of the planning stages of the relief operation.

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This shot shows the combat results against the three German divisions I attacked. I didn't need to attack them to relieve the pocket, but in doing so, I can grind them down just a bit more, and keep them too weak to get to Kharkov before I can finish evacuating my industry there. At least that's the plan.

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Here's a cleaner shot of the positions at the end of my turn. See that one German Pz Division? It's at a 1 CV! Other German mobile units are ranging between 2 and 4 CVs. We're really having a furball down here, with heavy losses on both sides due to the fluid nature of the battle.

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The final shot in this turn's sequence is the big picture in the South.

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thanks a lot for such an extensive explanation - for someone like me who comes from the military but has just started his first PBEM this weekend such explanatory maps really help a lot in understand on how to deal with certain situations that never came up when playing against the AI! - it especially took me some time to grasp the turn length and the different options that come with the "IGO-UGO" system...

thanks a lot to both of you for sharing your thoughts on your ongoing game!

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Turn 13 - the calm before the stromboli.

Things have gone bad, my play has compounded the weather problems and I am in a fix. In the north the Leningrad offensive is not going well, but I am playing around with bombing the port of Osinovets (on Ladoga 2 hexes to the east of NW Leningrad), the main supply of the cut off troops. I have no idea if the port bombing can lower supply, but I can try. Extra bombers are called in for this, and the port is damaged about 1/3 in the first turn.

Note, the 18th Army is slowly expanding the bridgehead but always is in striking range of Leningrad if the bombing works. Flexibility in using your armies allows a multi-line approach, especially when you have blown most of your chances like mine. Taking Leningrad might yield a bunch of captures and freeing up the Finns cannot be underestimated.


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Right Hook 13

Well, I have to say that looking back it was a good plan on paper. Here the 2nd and 3rd Panzers have driven for what they are worth...and the 4th panzer, all rested on rail lines for about 5 turns jumps into the fray. The Pola is crossed, the northern Valdai are threatened, and it seems that all could be right in the world. 3 panzer groups, even as shot as mine, can create a lot of havoc.

In the wake of the 3rd and 2nd advances, the Soviets have scrambled to place troops to defend Moscow, but with only 3-5 hexes to go, massed German infantry begins to smash forward.

All in all it seems to be working on turn 13. Of course, there hasn't been mud in this region yet, but what are the odds that I would get mud here now? Especially since it struck on the best turn every other time. Of course, we all know the answer to this...


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Poor commander - poor results.

JAM already explained how he broke the pocket the turn before. I try to make things right here, but due to too few infantry I am forced to reform the pocket with some regiments. You can all see the end of this one. Had I had more movement, I would have done both lines of cicumvallation and contravallation, but it didn't work out. I would pay. The astute can see where JAM will break this one.


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