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I think that there's about a 50% chance that Damian is going to abandon the attempt to invade Attu and, instead, counter-invade the Kuriles. If that's so then logistics will basically have allowed me to defeat about 1/3rd of the battleline of the IJN with just PT boats and the threat of the USN as a force in being.

That would definitely make the PT losses worthwhile. But I have to feel a bit disappointed that we won't see a fight with the IJN battlewagons low on ammo.[;)]

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Yes, I now have about 8 to 10 radars there. The last 4 days of IJN dancing around Attu looking for an opening have allowed me to run in a few convoys and bring in aerial transports to Adak. The end result is that Adak now has about 650 AV and 770+ Engineers. Tomorrow it will be a Level 4 port. This means it has moved from a Level 0 port to Level 4 in 4 days!!!!! US largesse is pretty amazing once well-channeled.

As to the PT boats etc: Yeah its a pity that I won't fight the IJN BBs when they're short of ammo but I think the key to dealing with a game like AE is to have utter equanimity if things go well or poorly. "X would be nice but if it doesn't happen it'll be fine. If it does happen it'll be fine too." Once you get significantly emotionally involved in plans you stick with them too long and you can find yourself sticking with the plan even though reason or fingerspitzengefuhl says you shouldn't.

I've also air transported 2 additional regiments in to Attu Island so that island's defences have increased to 550AV other forces. Next I'm going to fly an Aviation Support force ( 90 AV, all airmobile ) in. These are the same aviation units which I'm using to staff the extempore Airmobile Division in the south.

I spotted KB sneaking around trying to get into my operational depth. It sank the new CL Trenton which was heading to Dutch Harbour from Pearl Harbour. That's the price I pay for playing without CVs. My convoys caught at sea will be defenseless but that's what should make this more challenging and interesting in the longer run.

Honestly, I still don't know if he's attacking Attu in the end or pulling back to invade the Kuriles. I think the odds are shifting in favour of the Kuriles, which is a pity. If he lands at one of them I'll just pull all my subs in and send them to bring supplies to the other. Whatever happens one of those bases must be preserved as a jumping off point.


Elsewhere:

South Pacific: I'm shifting newly arrived forces and logistical preparations to this theatre as I'm becoming more certain that the Aleutians can more than defend themselves against Japanese incursions. I'll be sending most oft he follow-on forces from prince Rupert into the southern Pacific also. It is time to begin wakening that sector. There are 560 AV of troops trapped behind Japanese lines on one of the Pacific islands. If I can relieve them then those troops can provide most of the island defence forces necessary to hold the islands my parachutists and marine raiders capture.


In Oz some of my forces have begun outflanking his river-line defences north of Katherine and he has, accordingly, begun to pull back. This is good. When I first played him Damian would have kept on trying to salvage this situation. Now he recognises the situation and abandons a position when it is no longer tenable. This removes most of my opportunities to exploit such positional advantages and is good play on his part.

Operation Sneaky has been discovered ;-(. Basically I was trying to sneak a division of troops into his strategic depth all the way up to Babo - which is level with the 2nd line of defences he has been developing in the DEI region. I got the idea when I realised his aerial recon out of Port Moresby was poor and Horn Island held a Brigade of Australians. Unfortunately I think Damian must have gotten a sniff of my forces when a sub stumbled over an AMC.

In any case I've occupied 4 bases along the western PNG coastline and while he is amphibiously invading Dobo I should have the opportunity to fly and transport more men into a couple of them. It'll only dislocate the first line of defence now, which is a pity, but there's a limit to what you can with the forces available when you take over in a game like this. Still, better than nothing.


Burma:
He is pulling the tank forces etc at Myitkina back through the jungle trails. He isn't even trying to fight through the British cutting the road back to southern Malaysia. This is, again, absolutely the correct call and its good to see he hasn't wasted any time making it. The position is compromised, this is the best play he can make at this time and so he has made it without complaining or looking back. Its nice to see, Damian has come a long way.

He is also trying to slip a raiding TF into my supply lines between Colombo and Chittagong. In response to this raid - which puts these forces out of position in terms of countering any movements to Ramree I'm sending whatever I have ready at the moment to Akyab.

At Akyab the plan is to unload my armoured forces while the infantry, AAA etc move on to Ramree while they will unload. The RN covering force will also move to Ramree. Then everything will pull back to Akyab and my forces will begin loading the armoured forces and the "string of pearls" forces for the littoral landings along the coast from Ramree.

This will take a few days to load and be ready to go in time for the timeline outlined in post 126.


China:
The ravening hordes have been spotted. They are each 46 miles from their initial objectives and there's no sign of major IJA reactions. Even if he starts reacting now I don't think he could slip in enough troops to make a difference. It really looks like I've achieved strategic surprise in this sector. Let that be a lesson to ever IJA player - In China you must ALWAYS have a couple of IJAAF or IJNAF recon units assigned to recon missions without objectives. They'll fly to random hexes and spot whether anything's there and give you a good sense of whether a strategic reserve is mobilising. Of course most players won't think of using the Chinese in a manoeuvrist way but you've got to play as though they're good enough to make that analysis, at least until the point in time when you've got their measure and can step down precautionary commitments to levels commensurate with their actual ability.



So, next week he should be decisively engaged by strong Allied combat elements along the coast and plains in Burma, should be forced back to Darwin by the manoeuvre of my inferior forces, will show his hand regarding either the Kuriles or Burma and should lose a couple of bases in China - leading to strain on his ability to maintain a strategic reserve. He'll mop up a couple of bases in PNG since the force correlation there is just hugely unfavourable to me and the forces I have aren't capable of a manoeuvrist solution. Ah well, a bit of rain has to fall on every plan.

So, all in all, its going largely according to plan.

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Damian and I were swapping a couple of emails chatting about the game - the situation in China, how I crossed the river in Oz, his dancing around the Aleutians etc when it hit me.... I know why he's dancing around the Aleutians so much. He has probably sent his BBs back to Japan to reload their big guns. KB can still fly lots of sorties but his BBs shot their bolt so he sent them back to Japan to resupply while KB prevents any convoys from reaching Attu.

Or he's going for the Kuriles [8D]. But at least now I have an explanation which makes sense for his dancing around the Aleutians for the past few days.


In other news:
I think tomorrow will see an IJN SC TF hitting Akyab as he can see about 90 or so xAKs and xAPs gathered there guarded by an RN detachment. I'm pulling the xAKs out overnight and letting the RN stand and fight. I'm happy to accept attritional losses here to cover the littoral campaign.
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Currently I am in the process of buying all the US Armoured Bns out from CONUSA and am redeploying them, via Oz, to the Burma theatre. It'll take 2 months or more to get them all in action BUT the benefit will be that I should be able to put together an armoured Corps ( up to 3 division-equivalents ) which I can use to spearhead any advance into China and through the excellent tank country in some parts of China. Certainly I'll have more opportunity to take advantage of their mobility than in an island-hopping campaign.

How about moving Allied infantry there as well? Allied infantry can use strategic movement on major roads (there are many such roads in China) and can match the tanks' movement rate. Plus, if Allied infantry is interdicted during strategic movement it suffers losses but it doesn't revert to combat mode, it just keeps on going. Just reach Tsuyung's major road, change to strat mode and drive all the way to Shanghai with an American infantry division provided the road is free. Or use the unit as a "fire brigade" in China which can quickly redeploy via major roads to check Japanese breakthroughs.
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Yaab,

Yes that's been the plan all along. I outlined in my first few posts a plan whereby I'd drive overland from Burma into Thailand through to Vietnam and into China before pushing through into Korea with Allied forces ( the British and Indians etc ). This will include US forces although I'm not sure how many US infantry divisions as I presume most of them will be threatening to invade northern Japan and/or involved in invasions of the Philippines by that stage.
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Nemo
Re the planned Burma littoral campaign, can you land on vacant hexes with an amphib TF? I thought you had to land on a dot hex or is that just a house rule some use?
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Andrew,

Yeah we have no rule against landing in non-base hexes and I asked on the forum when the game was starting and was told that Michaelm has written code so that non-base amphibious landings suffer extra disruption and losses so, since that's modelled, I'm quite comfortable landing in non-base hexes.

Do I plan to do that a lot? Absolutely not. Its much easier to just mass a force and land it at the base itself but there will be the occasional situation ( such as wanting to secure supply lines to the OMG aimed at Bassein/Rangoon ) where it makes sense.


This leads me on to the question of Chinese troops. Damian asked ( and I was happy to agree ) at the beginning of the game that I'd have to pay PP for any unit moving from India into Burma or out of China. This means I'm paying PP for Allied units moving overland from India into Burma and really decreased the amount of force I can project into Burma. The exceptions to this rule are units which were already in Burma when I took over since I didn't want to have to pay PP for them since putting them in Burma wasn't my choice.

Damian, since then, seems to have gotten quite anxious about my Chinese troops and asked me recently about imposing limitations above and beyond paying PP on Chinese troops. Basically I think he was worried that once I paid PP for Chinese units he'd end up seeing them amphibiously invading Japan in 1944 or somesuch. I'll post what I outlined as my viewpoint ( and which we've agreed to ) here so people can follow along with the limitations etc imposed on my planning.

Basically I said that if he wanted those kinds of limitations then I'd be happy to limit Chinese troops bought out of China to areas which China has traditionally viewed as within its sphere of influence. So...
1. Thailand and Cambodia are both open to invasion by China.
2. Operations to clear Burma so the Burma Road delivers supply are clearly vital to China's survival and so Chinese forces can be involved in fighting in northern and eastern Burma.
3. China has a vital strategic interest in the Korean peninsula and so Chinese troops would engage in ground combat there once China had been mostly cleared.
4. Chinese troops could participate in any invasion of Formosa as that's viewed as a vital part of China.

Basically though Chinese troops won't be moving into Malaya, the Philippines or invading Japan proper. I might look into modifying that so the Chinese troops who were organised along US lines might form a Foreign Corps or somesuch but, basically, China will stick to winning ITS war against Japan and leave the world war to the Xirong, Dongyi and Beidi.


Damian has taken over a day to get this turn back. I think this means he is plotting some major moves... I'm looking forward to this as I'd rather like to bleed his forces a bit and get them to commit to something I can take advantage of.
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This made both Damian and myself laugh, USS Mississippi stumbled across an IJN sub which my ASW forces had mauled the previous day. The IJN sub was surfaced so USS Mississippi fired a single salvo from its aft 14 inch batteries and got a direct hit. Scratch one IJN sub.

One shot, one kill BB vs sub kill. Is that a first in AE? [:D]

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This made both Damian and myself laugh, USS Mississippi stumbled across an IJN sub which my ASW forces had mauled the previous day. The IJN sub was surfaced so USS Mississippi fired a single salvo from its aft 14 inch batteries and got a direct hit. Scratch one IJN sub.

One shot, one kill BB vs sub kill. Is that a first in AE? [:D]

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I've had my ASW ships in a TF force a sub to surface and rather than face off against the DD, face the 8" shells from a CA. The sub didn't last long. [:D]
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And, conversely, I've had a sub forced to surface and sink some small escorts with torps and deck gun fire in a surface battle. [;)]
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Sept 19th 1942 and time to take a pictorial tour.

In Burma the IJN has some CVLs/CVEs off the Burmese coast as well as what appears to be a mixed BB/CA TF. In response 4 USN and RN BBs as well as their cruiser and destroyer escorts decide to hold firm at Akyab. They are covered by about 140 RAF fighters while 2 USAAF squadrons are tasked to LRCAP Ramree. I've let him bomb there for the past week without interference so I'm hoping he'll have been lulled into a false sense of security.

Overnight I imagine we'll see surface combat. In response I've pulled the infantry-loaded amphibs back to Chittagong whilst the amphibs carrying my OMG are staying at Akyab and unloading. Its a risk since there's a possibility the IJN could blast through my covering forces but since I need to unload the OMG TF in order to reload it with infantry etc this TF needs to stay at Akyab for a few days and so I have to risk it.

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Well subs fighting it out on the surface is fairly common. I had one sink a DD. I've never seen a BB on its own engage a surfaced sub though.
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The situation in China. Damian has decided to stay and fight as there are now 3 additional units at Amoy and the number of troops there has increased from about 8,000 to 29,000. Well, that's 1.5 divisions of his strategic reserve drawn off into China [:D]

I'll attack, just in case, but I doubt I can break through 30,000+ IJA troops behind fixed defences.

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And here you can see how I dislocated the riverline north of Katherine. Significant Allied forces are across the river. Overall my entire force is smaller than his BUT he can't stand and fight at the river because that would risk his entire force being cut off.... so he must retreat, even though his force is far superior and in supply.

In the right corner you can see one of the bases in PNG I occupied as part of operation sneaky. I also managed to sneak troops into the base 92 miles from Port Moresby - which I'm rather chuffed with [8D]

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And lastly the Aleutians. You can see 3 IJN TFs moving on Attu. I think he's going to land in the next 2 to 3 days. In response I'm moving my CA and fast BB TFs from Adak to Amchitka. I'm also moving 15,000 engineers and aviation support troops to Amchitka. That will let it become a Level 2 airfield tomorrow and let me base DBs and TBs from it ( I have 150 DBs and 30 TBs left over from the carrier debacle earlier ) IF he tries to land at Attu and I judge there's an opening.

In addition I've loaded Adak with 160 B-17s and B-24s which should allow me to fly 280 tons of supplies per day into Shimushiri-Jima---- or mount CAP-wearying strikes on KB. We have an agreement that 4 Engined bombers shouldn't be used to conduct low-level naval strikes... I've looked at the AAA on IJN vessels and since 25mm AAA tops out at 7,000 feet I was thinking of sending my bombers in at 8,000 feet where they could draw the Zeroes to them and away from other airgroups.

I kept Anchorage selected while taking the picture so that you could get a sense of the strategic DB/TB and HB reserve I've been holding back and training up while my PT boats etc have kept him occupied.

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So any thoughts on US COG or Critical Vulnerabilities?
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This made both Damian and myself laugh, USS Mississippi stumbled across an IJN sub which my ASW forces had mauled the previous day. The IJN sub was surfaced so USS Mississippi fired a single salvo from its aft 14 inch batteries and got a direct hit. Scratch one IJN sub.

One shot, one kill BB vs sub kill. Is that a first in AE? [:D]

There must be an award in it for the gunner, pretty small target to hit it on the first shot. He'll be getting free drinks off that story for years to come!
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Well, in this game their critical vulnerability is, I believe, whether or not I choose to remain on the forum and finish the game. Short of that I don't see Damian being able to turn this one around.


Apart from that though the critical vulnerability would be in xAP, AP/LST/LSI numbers. Without them opposed invasions cannot be carried out in an efficient manner - as I've been finding out due to the almost complete loss of xAPs/APs among the US fleet

People always focus on CVs etc etc etc and while they reduce losses and grant more freedom of movement they aren't really critical.
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Yeah, I had an image of the Gun Captain betting his peers he could make the shot, them laughing at him and putting their money down, then everyone saying Damnnnnn when he scored the bullseye. [:D]
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