Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests

[e2204588]

TBM-3W-2 and TBM-3S-2 have 100x "12.7mm/50 M2 MG Burst" per mount now.
Should be replaced by 6x "12.7mm/50 MG x 2 Burst [100 rnds]"

http://zh.scribd.com/doc/56154104/1945- ... 3-Airplane
page 54
280 + 40 per gun

[JCR]

Another thing:
The WW2 and pre WW2 soviet submarine classes make no sense.
I can't even make out what some classes are supposed to be.
There was no "E" class soviet submarine and the D class was quite old, while the L class was a minelayer and didn't have 5 torpedo tubes.
Also there's a boat with 5 torpedo tubes, not a single soviet sub ever had that.
PL-??? is weird because they simply had no project numbers.

Also is there a soviet straight runner? All I have as torpedoes are patter runners, but there must be a WW2 era torp as well.

[Broncepulido]

Oh, and don't forget as source the splendid Joe Baugher website, with a digest of American combat aircrafts data and developments: http://www.joebaugher.com/uscombataircraft.html

[.Sirius]

Hi Ill brush up on my Russian I think and get the names translated

Paul

ORIGINAL: JCR

Another thing:
The WW2 and pre WW2 soviet submarine classes make no sense.
I can't even make out what some classes are supposed to be.
There was no "E" class soviet submarine and the D class was quite old, while the L class was a minelayer and didn't have 5 torpedo tubes.
Also there's a boat with 5 torpedo tubes, not a single soviet sub ever had that.
PL-??? is weird because they simply had no project numbers.

Also is there a soviet straight runner? All I have as torpedoes are patter runners, but there must be a WW2 era torp as well.

[JCR]

Soviet sub classes:
D class (old subs from the 20s and unreliable), used for training only
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekabrist-class_submarine

L Class Minelayers, probably also just used for training
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekabrist-class_submarine

P class, large but considered failures and used for transport, not active probably
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda-class_submarine

S Class or IX series, Oceangoing sub similar to german IX, good design decommissioned in the mid 50s, 4 sold to China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_S-class_submarine

K class, large submarine cruisers with heavy gun armament, decommissioned in the mid 50s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_K-class_submarine

Shch/SC or Shchuka class, medium sized mass produced sub built in large numbers, also decommissioned by 1955
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shchuka-class_submarine

M or Malyutka class, small coastal boat, built in large numbers, also served until the mid 50s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_M-class_submarine

The soviets also got 4 German type XXI submarines with B- numbers and 4 VIICs with S- numbers

[.Sirius]

Thanks JCR will update names and stats

ORIGINAL: JCR


Soviet sub classes:
D class (old subs from the 20s and unreliable), used for training only
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekabrist-class_submarine

L Class Minelayers, probably also just used for training
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekabrist-class_submarine

P class, large but considered failures and used for transport, not active probably
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda-class_submarine

S Class or IX series, Oceangoing sub similar to german IX, good design decommissioned in the mid 50s, 4 sold to China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_S-class_submarine

K class, large submarine cruisers with heavy gun armament, decommissioned in the mid 50s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_K-class_submarine

Shch/SC or Shchuka class, medium sized mass produced sub built in large numbers, also decommissioned by 1955
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shchuka-class_submarine

M or Malyutka class, small coastal boat, built in large numbers, also served until the mid 50s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_M-class_submarine

The soviets also got 4 German type XXI submarines with B- numbers and 4 VIICs with S- numbers

[JCR]

Since somebody else was dealing in Avengers allready.
Can you lower the cruise altitude of the TBM and other early ASW planes? When they get a contact they have to circle for minutes before they can launch weapons as they are always too high.
Something below 1000 meters would be right.

[Mgellis]

ORIGINAL: .Sirius

Noted and no heh

ORIGINAL: JCR

(I feel bad with these tons of requests as the only guy. Can't you just release a DB editor and I can do it myself? )

Actually, I have to say, as long as the editors do not mind updating the databases on a regular basis, I am glad that Command has official databases and that editing them has been made the responsibility of specific, approved editors. The "database wars" in Harpoon did a tremendous amount of damage to the Harpoon community. I hope we learn from those mistakes and do not repeat them!

[JCR]

Since I'm stuck in the 50s med right now...
BB Novorosskisk (ex Giulo Cesare) 1949-1955
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_ba ... vorossiysk

Small bug:
The Skoryy (EM Skoryy) class is classified as a frigate, while it is a destroyer.

[.Sirius]

Hi JCR, one of the reasons for a closed DB is that no problems are created and you have one point of contact, I've noted all your DB requests and they will be actioned, at the moment Ragnar has the DB, I should get it back soon and update and add your requests

[Temple]

I have something that may or may not be a database issue; maybe it's just the way the game works, or maybe it's something the player needs to worry about.

This involves CWDB399, the RIM-24C Tartar as mounted on ship #2075 DDG19 Tattnall [Charles F. Adams]. The database viewer of the ship shows the missile as having a range of 18nm. This is also shown on the map as the surface weapon ring for the ship has a radius of 18nm. The database viewer of the missile says it has a max speed of 1475knts and a flight time of 44 seconds,

When a target is selected for the ship using F1, the Tartar is launched pretty much as expected when the target gets withing the 18nm surface weapon ring. However, when the ship launches the Tartar against a surface target, as soon as the missile is launched, the surface weapon ring shrinks to about a radius of 11.5nm, and this turns out to be about where the launched missile runs out of fuel. The missiles will hit a surface target at 12nm, I guess it's good for about a half nautical mile of gliding.

After some more checking I find that the missile does have a flight time of around 44 seconds, but when fired at a surface target it never quite reaches that 1475kt speed. In fact it takes more than half the flight time for it to reach even 1000kt.

What appears to be happening is that the game calculates the surface weapon ring of 18nm based on the missile speed of 1475kt and a flight time of 44 seconds. However, once the missile is launched, it appears that the surface weapon ring is re-calculated based on the predicted missile range based upon it's actual average speed over the 44 second flight time. Or maybe I'm looney[&:].

As a final test, I modified my test scenario to make the DDG19 Tattnall be the AI controlled ship and gave it a mission to kill my player controlled ship. As I moved my ship to just under 18nm from the Tattnall, that ship started firing Tartars at me (I have God's Eye view enabled). And as expected, they each ran out of fuel as they moved to about 12nm to 13nm away from the Tattnall. The Tattnall kept firing Tartars at me, and each one dropped into the ocean as it's fuel ran out.

So, to summarize, there's something wrong here[:D]. I'm not sure what the fix is. Good luck!

UPDATE: I may have been mislead on the changing surface weapon ring, saying it went down to 11nm or so because of the recalculated missile range. It would instead appear that the 11nm surface weapon circle was due to the 127mm gun of the Tattnall now being the longest ranged weapon while the missile launcher reloaded.

So we still have the problem that the AI wants to fire the missile at 18nm, but the missile won't fly further than 12nm or so.

[JCR]

More regarding Avengers
The "Killer" ASW Avenger, the TBM-3S also had radar, AN/APR-1
http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/tbm-3s.pdf
No turret guns, just wing guns.

Re the "Hunter" -3w, I'm not sure it was armed at all.
There were 2 sorts of -3ws, one AEW and one ASW

[JCR]

Sticking to the classics:
The Spitfire
There was no F. Mk 10.
Spitfire X was a recon variant.
There were thousands of variants but the best for CDB would be those actually in use:

Merlin powered variants:
Mark IX (9), in service with pretty much all european nations after WW2, including Egypt and Israel
Merlin engine, 2 20mm, 4 303
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarin ... ype_361.29

Mark V, older Spitfire still used by Turkey and Portugal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarin ... .26_352.29

Griffon powered variants:
Mark XIV (14 post war)
Main Griffon powered variant, exported to NATO allies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarin ... ype_379.29

Mark 18
Griffon powered postwar variant, used by the RAF in 1948 and later
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarin ... ype_394.29

Mark 19, last unarmed recon variant, used until the late 50s, same as 18 only no weapons and faster/greater range

Mark 24 is allready in.

[JCR]

Another thing, the Skoryy class destroyers should have different torpedoes, the 53-65 WH were not in service when this class was the mainstay of soviet destroyers, they should either have straight running or pattern running torps, which are sadly not available in quintuple weaprecs

Also, what is the "SKR Mo-V" supposed to be?
MO boats were small patrol boats while this looks like a GV class MTB, which allready is in the database.

The MO4 class of WW2 would actually make a good addition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MO-class_small_guard_ship

This is a good soviet early MTB:
http://russian-ships.info/eng/warfarebo ... ct_123.htm

Some info on early soviet torps
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTRussian_WWII.htm
(many early subs and such have simply too good torpedoes )

[e2204588]

AD-4W, United States (Navy)
http://www.joebaugher.com/usattack/newa1_14.html

HO3S-1, United States (Navy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_H-5#Variants

AD-4N, United States (Navy)
http://www.joebaugher.com/usattack/newa1_13.html
http://www.mcara.us/AD-4N.php

Need for Korean war US CAG
http://www.gonavy.jp/CV-CV47f.html

[.Sirius]

All done

ORIGINAL: JCR

Sticking to the classics:
The Spitfire
There was no F. Mk 10.
Spitfire X was a recon variant.
There were thousands of variants but the best for CDB would be those actually in use:

Merlin powered variants:
Mark IX (9), in service with pretty much all european nations after WW2, including Egypt and Israel
Merlin engine, 2 20mm, 4 303
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarin ... ype_361.29

Mark V, older Spitfire still used by Turkey and Portugal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarin ... .26_352.29

Griffon powered variants:
Mark XIV (14 post war)
Main Griffon powered variant, exported to NATO allies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarin ... ype_379.29

Mark 18
Griffon powered postwar variant, used by the RAF in 1948 and later
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarin ... ype_394.29

Mark 19, last unarmed recon variant, used until the late 50s, same as 18 only no weapons and faster/greater range

Mark 24 is allready in.

[.Sirius]

All done

ORIGINAL: JCR

More regarding Avengers
The "Killer" ASW Avenger, the TBM-3S also had radar, AN/APR-1
http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/tbm-3s.pdf
No turret guns, just wing guns.

Re the "Hunter" -3w, I'm not sure it was armed at all.
There were 2 sorts of -3ws, one AEW and one ASW

[.Sirius]

All done Soviet MTB is already in as P-4 Project 123

ORIGINAL: JCR

Another thing, the Skoryy class destroyers should have different torpedoes, the 53-65 WH were not in service when this class was the mainstay of soviet destroyers, they should either have straight running or pattern running torps, which are sadly not available in quintuple weaprecs

Also, what is the "SKR Mo-V" supposed to be?
MO boats were small patrol boats while this looks like a GV class MTB, which allready is in the database.

The MO4 class of WW2 would actually make a good addition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MO-class_small_guard_ship

This is a good soviet early MTB:
http://russian-ships.info/eng/warfarebo ... ct_123.htm

Some info on early soviet torps
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTRussian_WWII.htm
(many early subs and such have simply too good torpedoes )

[.Sirius]

Rag, this is one of yours on the copy over

ORIGINAL: MR_BURNS2

Typo in Tu-22 Blinder loadouts:

Tu-22B, Tu-22BD, Tu-22KD, Tu-22RD and Tu-22RDK: RN-42 Tactical Bomb 30kT Nuclear, Weapon has actually 200kT yield.

[.Sirius]

All done

ORIGINAL: JCR

Some errata re Volksmarine vessles.
Minesweepers Habicht and Krake had neither degaussed nor wooden hulls, both were conventional steel boats.