Impulse: 2
I cannot for the life of me understand why a Soviet invasion of Finland is considered a good idea [&:]
Movement is so slow, the terrain.... its just a disaster waiting to happen... a bit like real life really [;)]
Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2
I cannot for the life of me understand why a Soviet invasion of Finland is considered a good idea [&:]
Movement is so slow, the terrain.... its just a disaster waiting to happen... a bit like real life really [;)]
Impulse: 2
I cannot for the life of me understand why a Soviet invasion of Finland is considered a good idea [&:]
Movement is so slow, the terrain.... its just a disaster waiting to happen... a bit like real life really [;)]
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 3
Oh I say! The weather throw is another 1!! Its Fine everywhere - frustrating for the Germans that they cannot take advantage - bit on the other hand they will surely now have time to place all units where they need them on the Western Front.
For Japan this is a huge opportunity to give Mao a smack in the chops....
Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined
Impulse: 3
Oh I say! The weather throw is another 1!! Its Fine everywhere - frustrating for the Germans that they cannot take advantage - bit on the other hand they will surely now have time to place all units where they need them on the Western Front.
For Japan this is a huge opportunity to give Mao a smack in the chops....
Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
I was not aware that any thought it is a good idea. Except maybe the German player.ORIGINAL: warspite1
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2
I cannot for the life of me understand why a Soviet invasion of Finland is considered a good idea [&:]
Movement is so slow, the terrain.... its just a disaster waiting to happen... a bit like real life really [;)]
Maybe you should have patience and do it slowly and await better weather before any serious attacks.
Edit: But if you manage to conquer Finland without big losses then that, somewhat, compensate for the lost US entry.
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often students, for heaven's sake. - Terry Pratchett
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 3
The Axis turn is over with relatively quickly as it consists largely of troop and aircraft movement. In China though, there is one key attack attack against Mao in the mountains east of Sian.
Aircraft cannot affect the 3:1 odds but, Umezu's HQ support works (unlike Mao's) and that means a 4:1 no modifiers attack on the Assault table....
...its a 3. Each side loses a unit, but in the case of the Japanese its only the 3rd Infantry Division, but for the Chinese Communists its their HQ.
Impulse: 3
The Axis turn is over with relatively quickly as it consists largely of troop and aircraft movement. In China though, there is one key attack attack against Mao in the mountains east of Sian.
Aircraft cannot affect the 3:1 odds but, Umezu's HQ support works (unlike Mao's) and that means a 4:1 no modifiers attack on the Assault table....
...its a 3. Each side loses a unit, but in the case of the Japanese its only the 3rd Infantry Division, but for the Chinese Communists its their HQ.
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 4
CW: Combined
France: Land
China: Land
USA: Combined
USSR: Combined
Impulse: 4
CW: Combined
France: Land
China: Land
USA: Combined
USSR: Combined
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 4
It seems less and less likely to the Allies that the Germans will be in a position to attack the Low Countries this turn. An HQ and two Armour used rail movement to the western front (not knowing how long this turn would last).
Even so. The RAF and Armee de 1'air plays safe and decides against strategic bombing at this stage.
The Soviets on the other hand try a different tack. They set about a port attack against the Finnish Navy in Turku.
The Finns roll a 3, butthe Soviets roll a 1 and get two surprise points. They use this to decrease the Finnish AA.
Impulse: 4
It seems less and less likely to the Allies that the Germans will be in a position to attack the Low Countries this turn. An HQ and two Armour used rail movement to the western front (not knowing how long this turn would last).
Even so. The RAF and Armee de 1'air plays safe and decides against strategic bombing at this stage.
The Soviets on the other hand try a different tack. They set about a port attack against the Finnish Navy in Turku.
The Finns roll a 3, butthe Soviets roll a 1 and get two surprise points. They use this to decrease the Finnish AA.
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 4
It looks like that column reduction effectively removes all AA fire from the Finns (as they were on the most extreme left of the table before the reduction.
Thus all three Soviet bombers get through to attack the two coastal battleships at anchor.
Väinämöinen
• Engine(s) output: 6,000 hp
• Top Speed: 16 knots
• Main armament: 4 × 10-inch (254mm), 8 x 4.1-inch (105mm) guns
• Displacement (standard): 3,900 tons
• Thickest armour: 2.1-inch (belt)
Finland had become independent from Russia following the Russian Revolution in 1917. Between then and the outbreak of the Second World War, the Finns sought to build up their defence forces. Money available to the navy was scarce, but in the late twenties it was agreed that the backbone of the Finnish Navy would be two coastal defence ships, named Väinämöinen and Ilmarinen. The Ilmarinen-class were constructed between 1929 and 1933 and the ships were named after characters from The Kalevala, an important literary work based on Finnish folklore.
This ship type - the coastal defence (battle)ship - was popular with the Scandanavian countries that operated in the limited waters of the Baltic. The ships were essentially mobile gun platforms, ideal in protecting vulnerable coastline from amphibious attack or for providing naval gunfire support to troops ashore.
This Finnish version of the type was fitted with four 10-inch guns housed in two twin turrets. Secondary armament was given over to anti-aircraft (AA) defence with eight 4.1-inch guns fitted. Four 40mm and two 20mm weapons were also available for close-range defence.
Armour protection was light, with a belt of just 2.1-inches and a thin armour deck of just 20mm to counter bombs and plunging shell fire.
The Ilmarinens were not suited to operations in open seas as their shallow draft and high profile gave them a tendency to roll, which made them unpopular with their crews. They were slow ships, with a top speed of just 16 knots and a limited range.
Väinämöinen and Ilmarinen had unexceptional wars. During the Winter War of 1939-40, both the Finnish navy and their Soviet counterparts saw little action due to the exceptionally bad weather that froze their battleground.
When the Germans launched Operation Barbarossa; the attack on the Soviet Union in June 1941, the Finns sided with the Germans. Their rationale was to get back the territory they had lost during the Winter War and to protect themselves from further Soviet designs on their country.
Once again, the Finnish navy had only a limited role to play. Their biggest operation took place in September 1941 and cost them the Ilmarinen. The operation, in conjunction with German forces, was code-named, Nordwind and took place on the 13th September.
German troops attacked the Estonian islands of Saaremaa and Hiiumaa and to assist the German attack, units of the Finnish navy and the Kriegsmarine were to provide diversions. For this the naval forces were split into three groups. Group I contained the two coastal defence ships, escorted by four patrol boats and were to operate north of the islands; Group II was to operate west of the islands and Group III to the south. The operation was badly planned as the Finns had no minesweepers available to protect their two largest ships.
Group I had completed their feint and were about to turn back for home when two mines exploded in close proximity under the flagship. Ilmarinen was doomed as power was lost and she began to take on water at an alarming rate. A minute after the explosions were triggered, the Ilmarinen capsized. The loss of the ship had also cost the lives of 271 officers and men.
Following this, Väinämöinen had a relatively quiet war, With no enemy ships to worry about (the Soviet navy was bottled up in defence of Leningrad), she was used to patrol the Gulf of Finland. After the war, the Soviets captured her and she was incorporated into the Soviet navy and renamed Vyborg.
Väinämöinen was scrapped in the 1966.
Impulse: 4
It looks like that column reduction effectively removes all AA fire from the Finns (as they were on the most extreme left of the table before the reduction.
Thus all three Soviet bombers get through to attack the two coastal battleships at anchor.
Väinämöinen
• Engine(s) output: 6,000 hp
• Top Speed: 16 knots
• Main armament: 4 × 10-inch (254mm), 8 x 4.1-inch (105mm) guns
• Displacement (standard): 3,900 tons
• Thickest armour: 2.1-inch (belt)
Finland had become independent from Russia following the Russian Revolution in 1917. Between then and the outbreak of the Second World War, the Finns sought to build up their defence forces. Money available to the navy was scarce, but in the late twenties it was agreed that the backbone of the Finnish Navy would be two coastal defence ships, named Väinämöinen and Ilmarinen. The Ilmarinen-class were constructed between 1929 and 1933 and the ships were named after characters from The Kalevala, an important literary work based on Finnish folklore.
This ship type - the coastal defence (battle)ship - was popular with the Scandanavian countries that operated in the limited waters of the Baltic. The ships were essentially mobile gun platforms, ideal in protecting vulnerable coastline from amphibious attack or for providing naval gunfire support to troops ashore.
This Finnish version of the type was fitted with four 10-inch guns housed in two twin turrets. Secondary armament was given over to anti-aircraft (AA) defence with eight 4.1-inch guns fitted. Four 40mm and two 20mm weapons were also available for close-range defence.
Armour protection was light, with a belt of just 2.1-inches and a thin armour deck of just 20mm to counter bombs and plunging shell fire.
The Ilmarinens were not suited to operations in open seas as their shallow draft and high profile gave them a tendency to roll, which made them unpopular with their crews. They were slow ships, with a top speed of just 16 knots and a limited range.
Väinämöinen and Ilmarinen had unexceptional wars. During the Winter War of 1939-40, both the Finnish navy and their Soviet counterparts saw little action due to the exceptionally bad weather that froze their battleground.
When the Germans launched Operation Barbarossa; the attack on the Soviet Union in June 1941, the Finns sided with the Germans. Their rationale was to get back the territory they had lost during the Winter War and to protect themselves from further Soviet designs on their country.
Once again, the Finnish navy had only a limited role to play. Their biggest operation took place in September 1941 and cost them the Ilmarinen. The operation, in conjunction with German forces, was code-named, Nordwind and took place on the 13th September.
German troops attacked the Estonian islands of Saaremaa and Hiiumaa and to assist the German attack, units of the Finnish navy and the Kriegsmarine were to provide diversions. For this the naval forces were split into three groups. Group I contained the two coastal defence ships, escorted by four patrol boats and were to operate north of the islands; Group II was to operate west of the islands and Group III to the south. The operation was badly planned as the Finns had no minesweepers available to protect their two largest ships.
Group I had completed their feint and were about to turn back for home when two mines exploded in close proximity under the flagship. Ilmarinen was doomed as power was lost and she began to take on water at an alarming rate. A minute after the explosions were triggered, the Ilmarinen capsized. The loss of the ship had also cost the lives of 271 officers and men.
Following this, Väinämöinen had a relatively quiet war, With no enemy ships to worry about (the Soviet navy was bottled up in defence of Leningrad), she was used to patrol the Gulf of Finland. After the war, the Soviets captured her and she was incorporated into the Soviet navy and renamed Vyborg.
Väinämöinen was scrapped in the 1966.
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 4
The expected outcome is 2 damaged and 3 aborted.
The Soviets get to choose the first victim. The Soviet bombers head for Vainamoinen. An 8 is rolled and she is damaged.
The Germans choose next and select her sister. A 10 is rolled and she is disorganised.
The combat is over, the Finns get off pretty likely considering surprise was with the Soviets.
Impulse: 4
The expected outcome is 2 damaged and 3 aborted.
The Soviets get to choose the first victim. The Soviet bombers head for Vainamoinen. An 8 is rolled and she is damaged.
The Germans choose next and select her sister. A 10 is rolled and she is disorganised.
The combat is over, the Finns get off pretty likely considering surprise was with the Soviets.
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 4
The RN prepare to transport a Gladiator fighter to the Med, while the Soviets put a second battleship to sea.
There is no Strategic bombing, ground striking or rail moves.
The Chinese continue to spread forces north - will they get to Anyang before the Japanese?
The French move their reserve units along the Italian and Belgian borders awaiting the impending attack.
Finally the Soviets cut the resource between Petsamo and the Baltic ports by seizing Oulu.
Impulse: 4
The RN prepare to transport a Gladiator fighter to the Med, while the Soviets put a second battleship to sea.
There is no Strategic bombing, ground striking or rail moves.
The Chinese continue to spread forces north - will they get to Anyang before the Japanese?
The French move their reserve units along the Italian and Belgian borders awaiting the impending attack.
Finally the Soviets cut the resource between Petsamo and the Baltic ports by seizing Oulu.
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 5
Weather throw is a 6 - someone told the weatherman its supposed to be winter.... Mind you, he's still not really listening. The Arctic is Snow, the North Temperate is Storm, everywhere else is a mix of Rain and Fine.
The Impulse Advance is 2.
Germany: Land
Italy and Japan: Combined
The Axis turn was over very quickly. The Germans are pretty much in place along the western front and the Japanese have few units left to move.
Impulse: 5
Weather throw is a 6 - someone told the weatherman its supposed to be winter.... Mind you, he's still not really listening. The Arctic is Snow, the North Temperate is Storm, everywhere else is a mix of Rain and Fine.
The Impulse Advance is 2.
Germany: Land
Italy and Japan: Combined
The Axis turn was over very quickly. The Germans are pretty much in place along the western front and the Japanese have few units left to move.
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 7
The Allies try passing with all powers to get the 30% chance of the turn ending....
...on a 2 it does.
The US choose to Intern the Bearn, netting them a TRS.
Impulse: 7
The Allies try passing with all powers to get the 30% chance of the turn ending....
...on a 2 it does.
The US choose to Intern the Bearn, netting them a TRS.
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: Return to Base
Both Baltic Fleet battleships have been caught in a block of ice and crushed... [:(]
I never even considered that.....
Impulse: Return to Base
Both Baltic Fleet battleships have been caught in a block of ice and crushed... [:(]
I never even considered that.....
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: Production
Germany:
ARM HQ
Tirpitz (2nd Cycle)
SUB (2nd Cycle)
2 x Pilot
Italy:
Impero (2nd Cycle)
Japan:
Zuikaku and Shokaku (2nd Cycle)
MECH
MIL
Impulse: Production
Germany:
ARM HQ
Tirpitz (2nd Cycle)
SUB (2nd Cycle)
2 x Pilot
Italy:
Impero (2nd Cycle)
Japan:
Zuikaku and Shokaku (2nd Cycle)
MECH
MIL
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: Production
China:
INF
CAV
Commonwealth:
HMS Victorious (2nd Cycle)
AMPH (BUILD)
Pilot
NAV
France:
FTR
Pilot
1 x Saved BP
USA:
AMPH (Build)
2 x TRS (BUILD)
2 x Battleship (Build)
USSR:
2 x INF
Pilot
Impulse: Production
China:
INF
CAV
Commonwealth:
HMS Victorious (2nd Cycle)
AMPH (BUILD)
Pilot
NAV
France:
FTR
Pilot
1 x Saved BP
USA:
AMPH (Build)
2 x TRS (BUILD)
2 x Battleship (Build)
USSR:
2 x INF
Pilot
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Jan/Feb 1940
Impulse: Reinforcement
I have sought to upgun Gneisenau.
Germany:
INF
Italy:
Nothing
Japan:
MIL (Formosa)
Impulse: Reinforcement
I have sought to upgun Gneisenau.
Germany:
INF
Italy:
Nothing
Japan:
MIL (Formosa)
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Jan/Feb 1940
Impulse: Reinforcement
China:
INF (Comm)
INF DIV (Comm)
Commnwealth:
HMS Duke of York and HMS Anson have been placed in the Construction Pool
INF (Ind)
France:
FTR
(Remove the CARR AIR)
USA:
USS Saratoga
TRS
USSR:
INF
Impulse: Reinforcement
China:
INF (Comm)
INF DIV (Comm)
Commnwealth:
HMS Duke of York and HMS Anson have been placed in the Construction Pool
INF (Ind)
France:
FTR
(Remove the CARR AIR)
USA:
USS Saratoga
TRS
USSR:
INF
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Jan/Feb 1940
Impulse: Initiative and Weather
Axis 6(8): 5 Allies
Weather 10 - Blizzard, Blizzard, Blizzard, Rain, Storm, Rain..... YUK
Impulse: Initiative and Weather
Axis 6(8): 5 Allies
Weather 10 - Blizzard, Blizzard, Blizzard, Rain, Storm, Rain..... YUK
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
The veteran battleship Marat prepares to leave Kronstadt in perfect weather - little knowing that a mini ice-age would quickly descend, leaving her trapped in the ice that would soon crush her and her sistership....
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Jan/Feb 1940
Impulse: 1
Options are severely restricted because of the weather.
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined
Japan: Combined
Impulse: 1
Options are severely restricted because of the weather.
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined
Japan: Combined
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse V - Fat AARse
Jan/Feb 1940
Impulse: 4
Well this is pretty boring! The weather is so bad that both sides have been limited to minor shuffling of positions....
...and the weather does not get any better. Its a modified 6 and so Snow abounds where the potential action is. The Soviets continue to gather strength (such that it is) in eastern Finland. A cavalry unit continues its job of cutting off the Finnish resource and a bomber is sent to Murmansk to cut this supply completely.
Impulse: 4
Well this is pretty boring! The weather is so bad that both sides have been limited to minor shuffling of positions....
...and the weather does not get any better. Its a modified 6 and so Snow abounds where the potential action is. The Soviets continue to gather strength (such that it is) in eastern Finland. A cavalry unit continues its job of cutting off the Finnish resource and a bomber is sent to Murmansk to cut this supply completely.
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815