Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
3rd-6th Mar 42
Thanks for the input guys, keep it coming.
I try the tanks attack one turn, infantry the next at Changsha and get 1:1 odds but shreds a couple of my tank units in the process. He seems to be rotating in fresh corps to keep his AV up but surely he has to be running out of them soon?? Up in the north in Sian he now has 35 units there. I've moved my stack to the hex NE of there and am sending a low value art unit over the river on a kamikaze recon mission (yes it's rather cheesy but he will no doubt be doing the same later in the game).
In Java Bandoeng is clinging on but the next attack should finish the Dutch off. Elsewhere a nice little kill for I-15 one hex off San Francisco:
Sub attack near San Francisco at 217,71
Japanese Ships
SS I-15
Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee
BB California
DMS Zane
DMS Long
DMS Perry
DMS Dorsey
DMS Lamberton
Down she goes, although I think this is the only PH BB to go under so far....
Thanks for the input guys, keep it coming.
I try the tanks attack one turn, infantry the next at Changsha and get 1:1 odds but shreds a couple of my tank units in the process. He seems to be rotating in fresh corps to keep his AV up but surely he has to be running out of them soon?? Up in the north in Sian he now has 35 units there. I've moved my stack to the hex NE of there and am sending a low value art unit over the river on a kamikaze recon mission (yes it's rather cheesy but he will no doubt be doing the same later in the game).
In Java Bandoeng is clinging on but the next attack should finish the Dutch off. Elsewhere a nice little kill for I-15 one hex off San Francisco:
Sub attack near San Francisco at 217,71
Japanese Ships
SS I-15
Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee
BB California
DMS Zane
DMS Long
DMS Perry
DMS Dorsey
DMS Lamberton
Down she goes, although I think this is the only PH BB to go under so far....
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
7th-10th Mar 42
BANZAI
Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 98269 troops, 982 guns, 808 vehicles, Assault Value = 2999
Defending force 77144 troops, 508 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1640
Japanese adjusted assault: 5795
Allied adjusted defense: 1421
Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Changsha !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
10586 casualties reported
Squads: 112 destroyed, 381 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 91 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 59 disabled
Guns lost 61 (1 destroyed, 60 disabled)
Vehicles lost 51 (1 destroyed, 50 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
22967 casualties reported
Squads: 1483 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 1185 destroyed, 146 disabled
Engineers: 179 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 111 (79 destroyed, 32 disabled)
Units retreated 21
As an added bonus all his units retreat west into the clear hex of Siangtan rather than into the wood to the north west. My tanks are in pursuit and should cross the river next turn whilst his troops are hit from the air by 200 Sally's and Lilly's. This should also make his position untenable anywhere to the west and south and he will be forced to withdraw north. Meanwhile in the north at Sian the art unit crosses the river, does a bombardment that reveals an AV of 2600 there then retreats back out without a scratch! I have virtually the same AV in my stack to the NE so I think I will just wait it out for now and see how he reacts to the developments in the south.
BANZAI(2)
Ground combat at Bandoeng (50,100)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 65137 troops, 708 guns, 456 vehicles, Assault Value = 2093
Defending force 26874 troops, 333 guns, 164 vehicles, Assault Value = 440
Japanese adjusted assault: 2480
Allied adjusted defense: 787
Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Bandoeng !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1349 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 136 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 27 disabled
Allied ground losses:
37841 casualties reported
Squads: 553 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2291 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 206 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 449 (449 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 239 (239 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 20
Four divisions are marching back to Batavia and will be re-assigned to my Borneo/Celebes/Timor invasions. I'm also going to take Darwin as well simply to deny it to him for as long as possible. With a bit of luck I should accomplish all this just before the amphibious bonus expires at the end of March.
Elsewhere in the PI my bombers are doing good work in keeping the airfield damaged at Clark and it looks like the 3 divs I have here already should be enough given time. I land another SNLF at Rabual to tip the balance and it falls. No sign of his navy or air force at all for a few weeks now.
BANZAI
Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 98269 troops, 982 guns, 808 vehicles, Assault Value = 2999
Defending force 77144 troops, 508 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1640
Japanese adjusted assault: 5795
Allied adjusted defense: 1421
Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Changsha !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
10586 casualties reported
Squads: 112 destroyed, 381 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 91 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 59 disabled
Guns lost 61 (1 destroyed, 60 disabled)
Vehicles lost 51 (1 destroyed, 50 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
22967 casualties reported
Squads: 1483 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 1185 destroyed, 146 disabled
Engineers: 179 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 111 (79 destroyed, 32 disabled)
Units retreated 21
As an added bonus all his units retreat west into the clear hex of Siangtan rather than into the wood to the north west. My tanks are in pursuit and should cross the river next turn whilst his troops are hit from the air by 200 Sally's and Lilly's. This should also make his position untenable anywhere to the west and south and he will be forced to withdraw north. Meanwhile in the north at Sian the art unit crosses the river, does a bombardment that reveals an AV of 2600 there then retreats back out without a scratch! I have virtually the same AV in my stack to the NE so I think I will just wait it out for now and see how he reacts to the developments in the south.
BANZAI(2)
Ground combat at Bandoeng (50,100)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 65137 troops, 708 guns, 456 vehicles, Assault Value = 2093
Defending force 26874 troops, 333 guns, 164 vehicles, Assault Value = 440
Japanese adjusted assault: 2480
Allied adjusted defense: 787
Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Bandoeng !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1349 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 136 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 27 disabled
Allied ground losses:
37841 casualties reported
Squads: 553 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2291 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 206 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 449 (449 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 239 (239 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 20
Four divisions are marching back to Batavia and will be re-assigned to my Borneo/Celebes/Timor invasions. I'm also going to take Darwin as well simply to deny it to him for as long as possible. With a bit of luck I should accomplish all this just before the amphibious bonus expires at the end of March.
Elsewhere in the PI my bombers are doing good work in keeping the airfield damaged at Clark and it looks like the 3 divs I have here already should be enough given time. I land another SNLF at Rabual to tip the balance and it falls. No sign of his navy or air force at all for a few weeks now.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
Very nice!
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
I used to play Miller when we were young and innocent. I don't believe he's quite so innocent these days.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
I used to play Miller when we were young and innocent. I don't believe he's quite so innocent these days.
Or young[:(]
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
But we're still supple, right?
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
I would suggest the gentleman from Georgia keep his hands to himself. [:D]
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
But we're still supple, right?
Wrong I would guess[:D]
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
11th-21st Mar 42
A very vexing period for the Imperial forces of Japan.
The main action occurs just off the eastern coast of the homeland. Kane send his 4 US CVs on a raid and they cause havoc. On the first day they sink about 20 low value transports hauling resources from Hokkaido. I rush what air units I have to hand into Tokyo, mostly training units with crappy pilots. As expected he hangs around and a raid by about 40 Netty's covered by crappy Nates get's through his CAP of about 50 fighters and puts 3 torps into Yorktown, however one is a dud[:@] A large 36 plane Kate unit fails to locate the target in both the AM and PM phase[:@]. The next two days are a massacre as he ramps his CAP up to the max of about 120 fighters and I lose around 200 a/c (about 100 Nates with useless pilots and 100 Netty/Kate with half trained pilots). Meanwhile he sends his SBDs off on strat attacks that whilst causing little actual damage net him 650VPs.
So throw in my transport and plane losses and the raid has netted him about 1000 points. Well played Mr Kane[&o] He took a big risk but it payed off. He is busy retreating now and I can only hope the 5 subs I have in the area can finish off Yorktown....I'm kicking myself because I have AK pickets placed all along the SE vector from the homeland and one of them picked up a floatplane a few turns before he struck, but I passed it off as a CL raider force, I won't make that mistake again!
Elsewhere in China there is more frustration. My tanks chase his retreating troops west from Changsha all the way to the WR hex SE of Chihkiang, taking bites out of them whilst they go, but I won't try and attack in the x3 terrain, I will just contain them there for now. Most of my Divs are badly disrupted and in need of rest. He has two strong corps in the hex to the NW of Changsha and an attack there fails badly, so the road to Changteh is closed for the time being as well.
My invasion fleets are on course for Timor, the Celebes and Darwin whilst landings have already begun at Balikpapan and Makassar. I expect him to contest to landings at Darwin so most the the KB is along for the ride.
A very vexing period for the Imperial forces of Japan.
The main action occurs just off the eastern coast of the homeland. Kane send his 4 US CVs on a raid and they cause havoc. On the first day they sink about 20 low value transports hauling resources from Hokkaido. I rush what air units I have to hand into Tokyo, mostly training units with crappy pilots. As expected he hangs around and a raid by about 40 Netty's covered by crappy Nates get's through his CAP of about 50 fighters and puts 3 torps into Yorktown, however one is a dud[:@] A large 36 plane Kate unit fails to locate the target in both the AM and PM phase[:@]. The next two days are a massacre as he ramps his CAP up to the max of about 120 fighters and I lose around 200 a/c (about 100 Nates with useless pilots and 100 Netty/Kate with half trained pilots). Meanwhile he sends his SBDs off on strat attacks that whilst causing little actual damage net him 650VPs.
So throw in my transport and plane losses and the raid has netted him about 1000 points. Well played Mr Kane[&o] He took a big risk but it payed off. He is busy retreating now and I can only hope the 5 subs I have in the area can finish off Yorktown....I'm kicking myself because I have AK pickets placed all along the SE vector from the homeland and one of them picked up a floatplane a few turns before he struck, but I passed it off as a CL raider force, I won't make that mistake again!
Elsewhere in China there is more frustration. My tanks chase his retreating troops west from Changsha all the way to the WR hex SE of Chihkiang, taking bites out of them whilst they go, but I won't try and attack in the x3 terrain, I will just contain them there for now. Most of my Divs are badly disrupted and in need of rest. He has two strong corps in the hex to the NW of Changsha and an attack there fails badly, so the road to Changteh is closed for the time being as well.
My invasion fleets are on course for Timor, the Celebes and Darwin whilst landings have already begun at Balikpapan and Makassar. I expect him to contest to landings at Darwin so most the the KB is along for the ride.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
Lots of AFB's doing the early carrier raid of Hokkaido/Sakhalin.
I hope you manage to pick up the carrier by hook or by crook.
I hope you manage to pick up the carrier by hook or by crook.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Lots of AFB's doing the early carrier raid of Hokkaido/Sakhalin.
I hope you manage to pick up the carrier by hook or by crook.
It is a typically undefended area by Japan in the early war. By hitting it, Japan is required to provide some sort of defense which draws strength from other theaters.
Sound tactical move for AFB's at any point it seems open ;]

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
Where was KB? Would opponent have knowledge of KB's location? I have hit the Home Islands in early '42 with old BBs but you are a river boat gambler if you do it without very solid info on KB!!
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot
Where was KB? Would opponent have knowledge of KB's location? I have hit the Home Islands in early '42 with old BBs but you are a river boat gambler if you do it without very solid info on KB!!
Against a player the risk reward favors Allies greatly this early.
I keep waiting to see an amphibious invasion of Iwaki/Sendai this early.[X(]
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
I believe Bullwinkle tried against Lokasena three or four years ago. His rationale, if I remember correctly, was to trigger the home defense reinforcements for Japan, thus stretching Loka's supply needs. Bullwinkle ultimately concluded that it hadn't worked out to his advantage, at least the way he did it and for the reasons he did it.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
I'm actually surprised Mr Kane didn't try that this game ... it is something he might ... Nagoya would be a really bad place to go for the IJ, he could wipe out a lotta AC factories in 4 nearby bases before most IJ players would be able to react ....
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
Id like to get at the SigInt report, 169 ships at Tokyo. Sure crossed my mind when I saw it in Jan '42.
There sure are some very good gamers in here!
There sure are some very good gamers in here!
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
I believe Bullwinkle tried against Lokasena three or four years ago. His rationale, if I remember correctly, was to trigger the home defense reinforcements for Japan, thus stretching Loka's supply needs. Bullwinkle ultimately concluded that it hadn't worked out to his advantage, at least the way he did it and for the reasons he did it.
Yeah, that was done. But I argued at the time to invade with more and burn and convert the factories instead of simply raiding to enable the depot divisions.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
I believe Bullwinkle tried against Lokasena three or four years ago. His rationale, if I remember correctly, was to trigger the home defense reinforcements for Japan, thus stretching Loka's supply needs. Bullwinkle ultimately concluded that it hadn't worked out to his advantage, at least the way he did it and for the reasons he did it.
Yeah, that was done. But I argued at the time to invade with more and burn and convert the factories instead of simply raiding to enable the depot divisions.
+1
Convert those AC factories to VEH and IJ is in deep trouble early.. Now not as much trouble as tripping the SOV in 1941, BUT almost...






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