Worst modern war film of all time

[Buckrock]

The film was strongly anti-fascist in its satire. It also portrayed an army where women were as equally capable as men in front-line combat and were able to feel as equally at ease in close company with them back in the barracks. That's multiple modern social value redemption boxes for a film ticked right there.

Boobies were nice too.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Buckrock

The film was strongly anti-fascist in its satire. It also portrayed an army where women were as equally capable as men in front-line combat and were able to feel as equally at ease in close company with them back in the barracks. That's multiple modern social value redemption boxes for a film ticked right there.

Boobies were nice too.

Hear hear! [&o]

I thought the spattering giant bugs with 20mm caseless ammo and thermite grenades was pretty cool too. Not a serious war movie, by any standards, but fun shoot-em-up.

[AcePylut]

Any movie that has bad flight dynamics of cgi generated aircraft sucks donkey.

Which means, pretty much every war movie with airplanes.

It's not that dang hard to get a barrel roll correct... but I've never seen it done from CGI aircraft.


Ok you want a bad war movie? Independence Day 2.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Buckrock

The film was strongly anti-fascist in its satire. It also portrayed an army where women were as equally capable as men in front-line combat and were able to feel as equally at ease in close company with them back in the barracks. That's multiple modern social value redemption boxes for a film ticked right there.

Boobies were nice too.

Hear hear! [&o]

I thought the spattering giant bugs with 20mm caseless ammo and thermite grenades was pretty cool too. Not a serious war movie, by any standards, but fun shoot-em-up.

The wargame and original novel were both far better than the movie.

I own a copy of both.

[rockmedic109]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Buckrock

The film was strongly anti-fascist in its satire. It also portrayed an army where women were as equally capable as men in front-line combat and were able to feel as equally at ease in close company with them back in the barracks. That's multiple modern social value redemption boxes for a film ticked right there.

Boobies were nice too.

Hear hear! [&o]

I thought the spattering giant bugs with 20mm caseless ammo and thermite grenades was pretty cool too. Not a serious war movie, by any standards, but fun shoot-em-up.

The wargame and original novel were both far better than the movie.

I own a copy of both.

I worked in a gamestore back in the day and sold that game.....or tried to. I don't think we sold any of them.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: rockmedic109

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy




Hear hear! [&o]

I thought the spattering giant bugs with 20mm caseless ammo and thermite grenades was pretty cool too. Not a serious war movie, by any standards, but fun shoot-em-up.

The wargame and original novel were both far better than the movie.

I own a copy of both.

I worked in a gamestore back in the day and sold that game.....or tried to. I don't think we sold any of them.

Any wargame targeted at pubescent boys must have a shapely girl/woman in the picture on the box.

[ian77]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Ha! Made y'all puke!

Fixed your quote.....

[ian77]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

I've stated my views on TTRL before and Jorge's view is probably most apt in my opinion. It isn't a war movie, but unlike Jorge I did not like the film on my initial viewing; like him, I won't be seeing it again.

I'm going to drift from war movies to historical TV shows and state that the HBO Rome series is awesome and I will forever be incredibly sad it was cut after 2 seasons (too costly, a GoT budget ahead of its time, not enough viewers to justify); and the second featured an incredibly reduced and quickened sequential state of events because they had to rush so much to get to a conclusion. Initially, the plan was many seasons telling a story from Caesar's civil war to the second triumvirate and that eventual civil war. Too bad.

Recently, I read Robert Harris' Cicero trilogy, a very good historical series tracing the downfall of the republic through Cicero's (or more accurately his slave and freedman Tiro's) eyes. I've also read many of Cicero's works, speeches, and his collected letters. An excellent man, a defender of liberty, and an amazing personality - I'd much like to see a new Roman movie or series on his life. Unfortunately, ancient history stuff (Rome, etc.) doesn't seem to be much in vogue in Hollywood at the moment.

In that case you should check out the multi award winning TV series "Spartacus" - the script is wonderful, and could have come from the pen of Cicero himself. Some complain that it is just too historically accurate for casual viewers. You shall need to judge for yourself.

Enjoy! [:D]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter
The wargame and original novel were both far better than the movie.

Unfamiliar with the wargame of this title. But, yes, the Heinlein book (really a novelette) was better than the movie, and entirely unrelated to the 'interstellar bug war' overarching themes of the latter.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: AcePylut

Any movie that has bad flight dynamics of cgi generated aircraft sucks donkey.

Which means, pretty much every war movie with airplanes.

It's not that dang hard to get a barrel roll correct... but I've never seen it done from CGI aircraft.


Ok you want a bad war movie? Independence Day 2.

So you must have lost it with "Red Tails" or "Tuskegee Airmen"?

What did you think of the flight scenes in "Dunkirk"? I mean apart from the unlimited ammo and inexplicable out-of-fuel Spitfire glide path at the end? [:D]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: AcePylut
Ok you want a bad war movie? Independence Day 2.

Dude. What did you expect? [8|]

That's like berating Pauly Shore's In the Army Now* for inaccuracies regarding Army Reserve deployment to Africa.

*I had to look this up on IMDB/Wikipedia. I have never actually watched this movie, nor would I invest/waste 2 hours of my life doing so. This movie / Pauly Shore reference are used for informational purposes only. Your milage may vary.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Orm

No, I think you were wrong.

By providing the wrong post number, I further helped take this thread off the rails. I was both right-in that I could do that-and wrong-about the post number.

Honestly, Ormster, try to keep up will 'ya? [:'(]

Nope. Still wrong. And I always keep up. Except, of course, when I don't.

You, Chickenboy, could never derail a thread. That is a prime example of a oxymoron as it can get.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Orm

No, I think you were wrong.

By providing the wrong post number, I further helped take this thread off the rails. I was both right-in that I could do that-and wrong-about the post number.

Honestly, Ormster, try to keep up will 'ya? [:'(]

Nope. Still wrong. And I always keep up. Except, of course, when I don't.

You, Chickenboy, could never derail a thread. That is a prime example of a oxymoron as it can get.

Them is fighting words where I come from. [&o]

[rustysi]

the old Battle of the Bulge with Henry Fonda and Robert Shaw, that it was great movie.

Cast, good. Movie, so,so.

[CaptBeefheart]

Ah, Starship Troopers. Reminds me of this tune I used to get into in high school: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4U8BembHM

EDIT: Fury? What, a single immobile tank holding off a battalion of the Grossdeutschland Division is unrealistic? Unlimited .30 and .50 cal rounds? It's what Hollywood moguls call "entertainment."

Cheers,
CB

[AleRonin]

In my personal list "Xxxxx Xxxxxx" and "Fury" are without any doubts among the worst movies ever...


Edit: newbie mistake!

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: AleRonin

In my personal list "xxxxx xxxxxx" and "Fury" are without any doubts among the worst movies ever...

You are new to the forum so we will cut you some slack, but you made the egregious error of naming the "movie that shall not be named".


Note that I have deleted it from the quote to avoid the same faux pas. [;)]

[Canoerebel]

Yes, Hans has saved your from the seldom-convened but nevertheless omnipresent AE Kangaroo Court. The court was formed a decade ago to deal with the many and egregious transgressions of Greyjoy.

Regarding Fury, the movie is universally lampooned for it's ending - disabled tank vs. SS battalion. Silliness. Awfulness. But I recall that when it came out a number of Forumites gave a nod to its depictions of the grittiness and dirt of the ground campaign in Europe. That's the movie's redeeming value, in my book. I've only seen it once and don't expect to watch it again, but I didn't find it utterly without value (unlike the Movie that Shall Not be Named, which has no redeeming qualities except Kate Beckinsale and she's trumped by the epic awfulness that surrounds her).

The Battle of the Bulge is an interesting film. Most of us saw it when we were kids, often in the presence of our WWII fathers or grandfathers. Nobody likes it for historical accuracy but it did entertain by overly generalizing - German tank army goes after fuel in cold Ardennes and pushes back the Allies, who are getting chocolate cake delivered by air from Boston. The highlight of the movie? Telly Savalis as a tank commander, probably. Or Robert Shaw: "Conrad, I am ashamed of you."

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Regarding Fury, the movie is universally lampooned for it's ending - disabled tank vs. SS battalion. Silliness. Awfulness. But I recall that when it came out a number of Forumites gave a nod to its depictions of the grittiness and dirt of the ground campaign in Europe. That's the movie's redeeming value, in my book. I've only seen it once and don't expect to watch it again, but I didn't find it utterly without value.

IMHO all engagements depicted in the "Fury" were absolute blunders in tactical sense for both sides... [8D]


#4
The ending combat scene (immobile tank vs. battalion) was absurd.

#3
The "Tiger I" engagement was silly (why on Earth would German "Tiger I" ever charge and move towards attacking US tanks).

#2
The town engagement... I don't want to even talk about that... German AT gun "hidden" in town square and able to miss from point blank range...

#1
The attack across the open field towards the forest was 100% unreasonable... why would attacking US force ever do that - not to mention the absolute ineptitude of German AT guns well hidden in tree line that were unable to hit US tanks attacking directly towards them.


Leo "Apollo11"

[HansBolter]

Noticed something interesting. Robert Shaw's portrayal of Joachim Peiper in BotB has been mentioned.

The portrayal was as inaccurate as it gets. While a committed Nazi and SS commander, he was decidedly NOT the fanatic ready to sacrifice his troops for the cause as depicted. I highly recommend The Devil's Adjutant by Michael Reynolds, a biography of Peiper by a British Major General, for a realistic look at this controversial man.

That actually wasn't what I noticed as interesting though. The German actor who portrayed the officer under Peiper, who Peiper orders to send the troops to their deaths, is apparently a journeyman actor who appears in quite a few war movies of that era.

That actor also portrayed Werner Pluskat, in the Longest Day. He is the commander at the coastal gun battery with the pet German shepherd who gets on the phone to headquarters to announce the Allies are heading straight for him with 5,000 ships. The disdainful officer on the other end, of course, scoffs at the notion and states the Allies don't have 5,000 ships.

I happened to catch the Bridge at Remagen a couple of nights ago and noticed this same actor portrays the second in command at the bridge under the commanding officer portrayed by Robert Vaughn.

Don't know the mans name but a wiki search of those movies might reveal it.

And indeed it does! The man is Hans Christian Blech:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Blech