BTS Play-Testing
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RE: BTS Play-Testing
I have WitP Tracker, Combat Reporter and Intel Monkeys all up and running.
- ny59giants
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RE: BTS Play-Testing
I have WitP Tracker, Combat Reporter and Intel Monkeys all up and running.
Great, I'll need help on the last two.
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RE: BTS Play-Testing
Kitakami and I are doing BTSL.
I will note the comments Pharnakes and do work on the Master File reflecting your observations.
I say we run to Feb 1st. This allows for enough time to see if the Japanese economy is working and find any major early bugs.
I will note the comments Pharnakes and do work on the Master File reflecting your observations.
I say we run to Feb 1st. This allows for enough time to see if the Japanese economy is working and find any major early bugs.

Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: BTS Play-Testing
Adding to the NOTES and COMMENTS list from Michael:
1) Who is playing Japan and what version (Lite or Heavy) are you playing?
2) I know John will be using Tracker along with myself to keep the economy running smoothly. Anybody else? If not Tracker, then what do you use?
3) This is more to my fellow Japanese Economics Ministers - the area I want feedback the most as co-modder is this area. What are your plans for expansion of the economy in the first few months? Heavy Industry? Naval Shipyards? Engines? Airframes (to what models and at what pace)? Do we post that here or do we have an email chain on this topic?
4.) Length of play testing? February 1, 1942 Is this OK?
5.) Utilities - Like I just said, I love Tracker!! Indirectly, this utility was what started my friendship with John many, many years ago. I will be willing to try to assist anybody in getting it up and running. It took me about an hour last May when I went out to visit him. What utilities are you using that you can teach me and others?
MOD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS
1.) Comments on the 'at start' positions for BOTH sides. Allied Players--Be sure to read the Mod Notes on your side. There are HUGELY different starting places for the Allied Forces and TFs.
2.) Database Errors. We have found a ton already. Keep looking and sound off when you find them!
3.) How about the Political Point number? Does it work?
4.) ALLIED PLAYERS: Does the off-map aircraft purchase system work?
Have FUN gang!
I am starting Turn ONE Prep right now...
1) Who is playing Japan and what version (Lite or Heavy) are you playing?
2) I know John will be using Tracker along with myself to keep the economy running smoothly. Anybody else? If not Tracker, then what do you use?
3) This is more to my fellow Japanese Economics Ministers - the area I want feedback the most as co-modder is this area. What are your plans for expansion of the economy in the first few months? Heavy Industry? Naval Shipyards? Engines? Airframes (to what models and at what pace)? Do we post that here or do we have an email chain on this topic?
4.) Length of play testing? February 1, 1942 Is this OK?
5.) Utilities - Like I just said, I love Tracker!! Indirectly, this utility was what started my friendship with John many, many years ago. I will be willing to try to assist anybody in getting it up and running. It took me about an hour last May when I went out to visit him. What utilities are you using that you can teach me and others?
MOD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS
1.) Comments on the 'at start' positions for BOTH sides. Allied Players--Be sure to read the Mod Notes on your side. There are HUGELY different starting places for the Allied Forces and TFs.
2.) Database Errors. We have found a ton already. Keep looking and sound off when you find them!
3.) How about the Political Point number? Does it work?
4.) ALLIED PLAYERS: Does the off-map aircraft purchase system work?
Have FUN gang!
I am starting Turn ONE Prep right now...

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RE: BTS Play-Testing
Kitakami's profile:
- Will be playing as the Allies against John 3rd. We will be playing BtSL. I do think Japan has the most power with the "Light" version.
- My AE version is 1.8.11.26b.
- I will be using WitPTracker. I also have tons of graphic mods I have installed over the years.
- We will play till Feb '42.
- Taking notes on where everything is. I have not played the Allies in a LOOOOOOOONG time, so I need to remember what is where and decide how to defend what.
- Will report on PPs, pilot training, and plane purchases as the playtest advances.
- Will be playing as the Allies against John 3rd. We will be playing BtSL. I do think Japan has the most power with the "Light" version.
- My AE version is 1.8.11.26b.
- I will be using WitPTracker. I also have tons of graphic mods I have installed over the years.
- We will play till Feb '42.
- Taking notes on where everything is. I have not played the Allies in a LOOOOOOOONG time, so I need to remember what is where and decide how to defend what.
- Will report on PPs, pilot training, and plane purchases as the playtest advances.
Tenno Heika Banzai!
RE: BTS Play-Testing
Unintended consequence of database cleanup:
Bind 410 should be FROM 407 & 408, TO 927. In previous version it was 407 only, and now it is 408 only.
Bind 410 should be FROM 407 & 408, TO 927. In previous version it was 407 only, and now it is 408 only.
Tenno Heika Banzai!
RE: BTS Play-Testing
Crap. Thanks Kita.
Turn ONE is sent, on the way, and let the testing begin!!!
I took about half a page of little tweaks, modifications, and changes. Most was little stuff like having SS set to return to a base that didn't have an AS in it.
Turn ONE is sent, on the way, and let the testing begin!!!
I took about half a page of little tweaks, modifications, and changes. Most was little stuff like having SS set to return to a base that didn't have an AS in it.

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RE: BTS Play-Testing
Am I to understand that you are keeping track of the things we find as we find them and that you're making changes to the scenario as these things are found so that there will be a fixed, updated scenario as a result? If so, thank you very much for your hard work and perserverence. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thanks you.I took about half a page of little tweaks, modifications, and changes. Most was little stuff like having SS set to return to a base that didn't have an AS in it.
I'm about half-way through my Jap turn 1 preperations so I can send a file to Brian sometime late tonight or early tomorrow morning and we'll be on our way as well. I've played Brian before and I've never won against him. But I've learned a lot and I'm determined to give him a good game this time. Wish me luck.

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RE: BTS Play-Testing
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Adding to the NOTES and COMMENTS list from Michael:
1) Who is playing Japan and what version (Lite or Heavy) are you playing?
2) I know John will be using Tracker along with myself to keep the economy running smoothly. Anybody else? If not Tracker, then what do you use?
3) This is more to my fellow Japanese Economics Ministers - the area I want feedback the most as co-modder is this area. What are your plans for expansion of the economy in the first few months? Heavy Industry? Naval Shipyards? Engines? Airframes (to what models and at what pace)? Do we post that here or do we have an email chain on this topic?
4.) Length of play testing? February 1, 1942 Is this OK?
5.) Utilities - Like I just said, I love Tracker!! Indirectly, this utility was what started my friendship with John many, many years ago. I will be willing to try to assist anybody in getting it up and running. It took me about an hour last May when I went out to visit him. What utilities are you using that you can teach me and others?
MOD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS
1.) Comments on the 'at start' positions for BOTH sides. Allied Players--Be sure to read the Mod Notes on your side. There are HUGELY different starting places for the Allied Forces and TFs.
2.) Database Errors. We have found a ton already. Keep looking and sound off when you find them!
3.) How about the Political Point number? Does it work?
4.) ALLIED PLAYERS: Does the off-map aircraft purchase system work?
Have FUN gang!
I am starting Turn ONE Prep right now...
NorthCarolinaDidNothingWrong and I will kick start tonight. He wants a go at the Japanese side. Right it will lite. Haven't play the allies in a while how does off map purchase system work. Also will be using Tracker. Thanks
Very Proud Marine Dad
RE: BTS Play-Testing
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Crap. Thanks Kita.
Turn ONE is sent, on the way, and let the testing begin!!!
I took about half a page of little tweaks, modifications, and changes. Most was little stuff like having SS set to return to a base that didn't have an AS in it.
Turn 1 returned. The heat is on (me)!
Tenno Heika Banzai!
RE: BTS Play-Testing
I don't plan to update the scenarios and force people to re-start. We'll keep notes and commentary while I update the Master File for the official release.

Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: BTS Play-Testing
Our bombs have fallen and torpedoes have sped to their targets for Turn One testing. Pearl Harbor was hit by 112 Zero, 147 Val, and 122 Kate: OUCH!
I took the starting task forces and shipping and looked to see if there was ENOUGH shipping to handle the immediate lifts for the 1st Round of invasions. In several places the answer was not enough so I went into the editor for the Master File and moved some shipping into Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Tinian.
Fixed several starting TFs that had a stupid location for it to return to.
Moved two AS to Babeldoap and Cam Ranh Bay so SS could return to these locations and replenish torps.
I took the starting task forces and shipping and looked to see if there was ENOUGH shipping to handle the immediate lifts for the 1st Round of invasions. In several places the answer was not enough so I went into the editor for the Master File and moved some shipping into Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Tinian.
Fixed several starting TFs that had a stupid location for it to return to.
Moved two AS to Babeldoap and Cam Ranh Bay so SS could return to these locations and replenish torps.

Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: BTS Play-Testing
Just to check in, I have not heard back from Michael yet, I suspect he is very busy. I do not know if we are playing BTS-L or BTS-H. I only know he is playing Japan and I am playing the Allies.
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RE: BTS Play-Testing
turn one file sent to Brian. He reports that he will get to it tomorrow am ( Ohio ).
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RE: BTS Play-Testing
ORIGINAL: Nomad
Just to check in, I have not heard back from Michael yet, I suspect he is very busy. I do not know if we are playing BTS-L or BTS-H. I only know he is playing Japan and I am playing the Allies.
Probably working on Turn One. Will talk with him in the morning.

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RE: BTS Play-Testing
Got a weird message when I ran the first turn: "Link/zone data differs." The turn still ran. Any idea what the issue is?

Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: BTS Play-Testing
That normally means you have different pwhexe.dat files from the main folder. pwzlink and pwzone are also possible culprits, you need to get your versions synced or you will quickly start running into desync errors.
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RE: BTS Play-Testing
I've sent out the 1st turn to AdmNelson. I am, tentatively, playing IJN on the light module. I have a backup of the first turn ready so if AdmNelson decides to reverse course on any particular matter for any particular reason (not that I would mind, I've been slightly terrible about communication in this particular matter). we shalln't lose anything from it. We're running no house rules and stacking limits. I have tracker, but I had to install 64 bit Java for something a while back and that has borked it for the time being. I'm running the economy as though i'm playing a normal campaign instead of a shorter one. Ki-43 and Ki-44 production (especially the Ki-43) are both being expanded as to quickly phase out the Ki-27. The A6M2 is also being being expanded to keep up with the inevitable heavy losses.
Also, Pharnakes, if you aren't already partnered up, I'd be fine with partnering with you. The PBEM games I'm playing or are going to be playing are all slow enough I still have a lot of time to burn and i'm fine with any combination of options or modifications.
Also, Pharnakes, if you aren't already partnered up, I'd be fine with partnering with you. The PBEM games I'm playing or are going to be playing are all slow enough I still have a lot of time to burn and i'm fine with any combination of options or modifications.
- ny59giants
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RE: BTS Play-Testing
Some of us are still working 40 hours plus per week John.
I'll be playing Heavy since I see at least two teams with Lite being announced.
I'll be playing Heavy since I see at least two teams with Lite being announced.
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RE: BTS Play-Testing
ORIGINAL: Pharnakes
That normally means you have different pwhexe.dat files from the main folder. pwzlink and pwzone are also possible culprits, you need to get your versions synced or you will quickly start running into desync errors.
I must have old versions... where can I get the correct versions for this? I have received the results of Turn 1, but don't want to start desyncing.
Tenno Heika Banzai!