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I did a bit of digging and here is some of the material that was referenced/used in the movie Apocalypse Now!:

Kurtz read extracts from Eliot's Hollow Men:

http://www.brothersjudd.com/index.cfm/f ... %20Men.htm


One of the boat's crew members was reading the book Steppenwolf by Hermann Hesse:

http://www.pinkmonkey.com/booknotes/mon ... wolf02.asp

The main character (Haller) in this novel feels there are two sides to himself; one is filled with pain and suffering, and the other is filled with beauty. He considers his baser side to be a werewolf, even though the division into man and wolf is an over-simplification of his troubles. Amazingly, the main character says that he is quite content with having a split nature; he feels that his human side and wolf side, which he calls Steppenwolf, exist in harmony with each other. He is, however, not being truthful with himself. Steppenwolf, the animal side of Haller, longs to understand humankind; in his search, he is driven to his primitive nature, driven by the senses.


An examination of the movie as well as the book Heart of Darkness:

http://www.brothersjudd.com/index.cfm/f ... ook_id/936

Again good links. You seem to like the film, no? [;)]

I really like The Doors 'The End' in the opening credits. I bought the soundtrack CD a while ago as well, which was ok.

What message is it trying to get across? That war screws with a mans mind? war is pure hell, and can turn good men into bad? Dunno, but I think Coppola's message was anti-war--I mean it was released in '79, about 4/5 years after the conflict had ended and was fresh in everyones mind. Coppola just about pulled it off as well, as the film was laden with problems (Martin Sheen had a heatattack, and Brando was overweight which is why we dont get to see much of him I think, as well as it being massivly overbudget). Whatever underlying message there is, it is a very atmospheric, haunting film.
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You seem to like the film, no? [;)]

I really like The Doors 'The End' in the opening credits. I bought the soundtrack CD a while ago as well, which was ok.

What message is it trying to get across? That war screws with a mans mind? war is pure hell, and can turn good men into bad? Dunno, but I think Coppola's message was anti-war--I mean it was released in '79, about 4/5 years after the conflict had ended and was fresh in everyones mind. Coppola just about pulled it off as well, as the film was laden with problems (Martin Sheen had a heatattack, and Brando was overweight which is why we dont get to see much of him I think, as well as it being massivly overbudget). Whatever underlying message there is, it is a very atmospheric, haunting film.

When I first saw AN, I thought it was a decent movie. But like many people I didn't understand what Coppola was trying to tell us.

Yet, there was something about the film that moved me. But I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

I saw the film again, and did some reading about it.

I now realize that Coppola had created a film that actually made the viewer have to think about what he is viewing, rather than having it spoon fed to us, like most movies do today.

And the movie does make you think. That to me is the hallmark of great art. And yes, AN is a work of art.

It can be enjoyed on so many levels:

1) It can viewed as just a war film (although if it is viewed in this way, some of the scenes can be confusing)

2) It can be seen as an anti-war film; what war can do to people. . .

3) On a deeper level, it can also be seen as an in-depth study into human psychology. Willard undertakes a subconcious journey to slay the evil forces of his nature (which are represented by Kurtz).

And it is on this last level, where I think the film can best be understood.

Even here, there are several ways to approach the film:

It could be argued that Willard and Kurtz are BOTH THE SAME PERSON. Just as all people have good and bad inside them, so too does Willard (Kurtz is his bad side). The Redux version is more explicit about this in the movie, especially when the French woman at the plantation tells Willard that he is "both a killer and a lover."

In other words, there is a duality in man: the good vs the bad; the ethical vs the evil, etc. . .

As CORMAN says to Willard:

"Well, you see Willard... In this war, things get confused
out there, power, ideals, the old morality, and practical
military necessity. Out there with these natives it must be
a temptation to be god. Because there's a conflict in
every human heart between the rational and the irrational,
between good and evil. The good does not always triumph.
Sometimes the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called
the better angels of our nature. Every man has got a
breaking point. You and I have. Walter Kurtz has reached his.
And very obviously, he has gone insane."


At the beginning of the movie Willard is in crisis psychologically. He is loosing a grip on reality and sanity.

So his intellectual side (played by military HQ) gives him an assignment to confront and slay the evil side of his mind/nature (played by Kurtz).

The boat itself, could represent society's morals and values. One of the characters states: "Don't get off the boat". Why? Because getting off the boat, as Kurtz did, means you are operating outside of society's established morality.

Even the crew on the boat all represent different aspects of Willard. You'll notice that the Captain of boat (who is steering it) is the clearest thinker, and that he NEVER gets off the boat (and so remains sane). Bad things start to happen when the Captain lets others steer the boat, or when others get off the boat. . .

So the journey by boat is Willard's journey to battle Kurtz, and so confront his inner demons and to slay them.

You'll notice that the sky gets darker and that strange things begin to happen the further the boat travels. That is because Willard is journeying deeper into his own subconscious mind, in his attempt to confront his evil side (played by Kurtz).

At the last American Outpost on the river, Willard asks various soldiers "Who's in command here?" The answer he receives is: "Aren't YOU (Willard) in command?" Yes, Willard MUST remain in control (command) of his own mind.

All the things the crew on the boat encounter along the way (Duvall's character, French plantation, Playboy Bunnies, etc) all show the often conflicting emotions, actions, feelings, etc that each person has inside them.

You'll notice that everything about the French Plantation: the people, clothes, linen, etc are all white and it is almost a surreal setting for it all to be there in the jungle. Yet, if viewed as an inner journey, then the Plantation and everything else could actually represent the Spirit of French Colonialism in Vietnam. In other words, we are presented with the ghosts of the past giving Willard/us a warning. . .

We are also confronted with various scenes of war, death, sex, happiness, sadness, apathy, terror, etc. . .

These I think represent the various emotions/events that people go through in their lives.

Even in a single day the same person could go through many contradictory emotions such as: kindness, anger, sadness, hopefulness, culture, lust, crassness, evil, goodness, caring, etc. . .

It is interesting that Kurtz's first two initials are:

W.E. Kurtz.

Notice the "W.E." meaning "we". Yes, all of us are Kurtz and all of us are Willard. The good and the bad. There is a conflict between the good and bad in all of us.

Willard's journey and his task (as it is for all of us) is to confront, control, and to win over the evil side inside himself (played by Kurtz).

When Willard reaches Kurtz's Compound, we are confronted with very bizarre things. That is because Willard has now reached the very inner most level of his own subconcious: where the primative, irrational, bizarre, and evil dwells. . .

Once Willard slays Kurtz, notice that all the natives lay down their weapons and kneel before Willard. That is because Willard has symbolically slain his evil side and has gained control over his "warring demons".

When Willard is leaving the Compound to head back to the boat, he takes the hand of the "surfer" member of the crew. Could this represent Willard regaining his "normal", "naive", "fun-loving" self again? Possibly regaining an "innocence lost"?

Also notice that at the end of the movie, the code word for HQ is called "Almighty". And that the "Almighty" keeps trying to get into contact with the boat and with Willard. . .

I have highlighted just a few ideas that are in the movie, but there are many, many more ideas/views that can be found and appreciated.
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Shifting subject matter for a moment, I got a copy of the director's cut of "Amadeus" from the library. The sound in this edition has been beefed up, so Mozart's music, which carries this film, sounds glorious. 20 minutes of additional footage has been edited in(including a brief view of Elizabeth Berridge topless [:)] ), and there is a great documentary on the challenges of adapting Peter Shaffer's play to film.

This movie is beautiful to watch and listen to. It is one of my all-time favorites, and F. Murray Abraham's performance as Salieri was truly deserving of the Oscar he won for it.
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Shifting subject matter for a moment, I got a copy of the director's cut of "Amadeus" from the library. The sound in this edition has been beefed up, so Mozart's music, which carries this film, sounds glorious. 20 minutes of additional footage has been edited in(including a brief view of Elizabeth Berridge topless [:)] ), and there is a great documentary on the challenges of adapting Peter Shaffer's play to film.

This movie is beautiful to watch and listen to. It is one of my all-time favorites, and F. Murray Abraham's performance as Salieri was truly deserving of the Oscar he won for it.

I agree about Amadeus: It was one of my first buys after the LoTR I & II.

Everything in the film is perfect, and Abraham's performance should not be missed.

Another film I picked up was "Thirteen Days" - about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Tension-filled from beginning to end. Also a good look at how Crisises can be managed. There are also extras such as Documentaries about the Crisis. . .

You have to wonder what might have happened had the Kennedy's not had a tight rein on the military decision-makers. . .[&:]
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I just caught the first 2 episodes of Band of Brothers again. I think I'll add that to my list!
(During the Bulge)

2nd Lt. George Rice: Looks like you guys are going to be surrounded.
Lt. Winters: We're airborne, Lieutenant, we're supposed to be surrounded.


Corny. But you gotta love it!

I just noticed over at IMDB that it has a user rating of 9.5 out of 10! I guess mini-series don't qualify for their top 250 movie list because the Godfather is number 1 at 9.0.
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The Alamo (2004)
when it comes out in September[:D]

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Two war movies that don't get mentioned much, but which l really enjoy are -

The Beast - About the Russians in Afghanistan
and
Go Tell The Spartans - About the Americans in Vietnam
Two really entertaining films, at least in my opinion. Watch them and see what you think. I think what really stands out in these two films is the contrast between the hate filled Russian tank commander and the oh so laid back American C.O. Excellent stuff.
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Two war movies that don't get mentioned much, but which l really enjoy are -

The Beast - About the Russians in Afghanistan
and
Go Tell The Spartans - About the Americans in Vietnam
Two really entertaining films, at least in my opinion. Watch them and see what you think. I think what really stands out in these two films is the contrast between the hate filled Russian tank commander and the oh so laid back American C.O. Excellent stuff.

I've seen 'The Beast' (originally 'The Beast of War'). Excellent little movie. Great cat and mouse game between the hopelessly cut off tank crew and villagers. In fact I saw it right before the American invasion of Afghanistan. It seemed to support the notion going around at the time that the war would be a hopeless, long and bloody conflict.
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Haven't seen this one posted so far so I will list it as the most absolute MUST Have:

The Duellist

And for movie buffs, there will be a bit of a surprise when you realize who the director is . . .

Also:

Cross of Iron (1974, with Maximillian Schnell)
Europa Europa
Stormship Troopers
Three Muskateers (1968 version)
Russian version of War and Peace (with English Subtitles)
Alexander Nevsky
Platoon (of course)
The Beast (great movie about a Soviet Tank Crew lost in Afghanistan)

Thats just for starters
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I will heartily second Redleg's mention of "Europa Europa". The story begs credulity, but it is a true story. Salomon Perel's quest for survival regardless of the cost is a lesson for us all, as well as the struggle to maintain one's inward identity during a time when simply revealing your heritage could result in your death. The sad part is, things haven't changed all that much in the last sixty years.
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I gotta recommend "The Thin Red Line", just for one sequence--the improvised assault squad taking the Jap bunker on Hill 210 in chapter 16. This is as good a representation of Pacific combat as I've ever seen in a Hollywood movie. Who would've thought that John Cusack could portray a US Army assault squad leader? Terence Malick took a lot of negative comments for this movie, BUT the entire attack sequence on Hill 210 is reason enough to add this to the list of "Must Buy DVDs".
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Sorry KG, but if a film can only offer 5-10 minutes of worth, then it isn't even worth a blank dvd to make a copy of it.

If I only want a few sequences of good action, then I think there are several documentaries more worthy of my cash.

Thin Red Line belongs on the "it sucked" list with Pearl Harbour and Windtalkers.
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Kelly's Heroes is my personal favorite. Carrol O'Conner is perfect as a general with "the game on."
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Sorry KG, but if a film can only offer 5-10 minutes of worth, then it isn't even worth a blank dvd to make a copy of it.

If I only want a few sequences of good action, then I think there are several documentaries more worthy of my cash.

Thin Red Line belongs on the "it sucked" list with Pearl Harbour and Windtalkers.


Les, I'm fully aware that this movie engendered some negative opinions, but other than "The Halls of Montezuma", can you mention any other movie that represents the reality of the Pacific War that "The Thin Red Line" so graphically illustrated? Much truth was represented here---the Japanese captives' fear of being tortured, the close-quarters combat of the Hill 210 bunker sequence, killing prisoners, which happened more frequently than popular histories care to admit--I thought that this was very well done. You need to watch this again, and then pass judgment.
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Gotta agree with KG on this one ... a lot of "Thin Red Line" was fluffy and self-indulgent, but the battle sequences were very good! the visuals were excellent! ... It's a love or hate movie. Ultimately for me, it's heavily flawed - but, it's worth a view for the payoff of the great scenes. Watching it is also prerequisite for complaining about the film!! [:D] [;)]

All the more reason to anticipate the Spielberg/Hanks BoB take on the PTO !!! I can't wait!
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Most of the "reality" of the Pacific war, was that it was like the European war, "diverse" and dependent on location.

The fighting on the Canal was not the same as the fighting in Burma or New Guinea or Peleliu. The Naval battles were not the same as the land battles.

But this is my list of movies I actually do have for the Pacific.

The Sands of Iwo Jima
The Last Bastion
Flying Leathernecks
Away All Boats
Bataan
Merril’s Marauders
PT 109
Fighting Seebees
30 Seconds Over Tokyo
MacArthur
In Harm’s Way
Midway
Tora Tora Tora
Guadalcanal Diary
The Halls of Montezuma
Gung Ho

It's not a long list, films on the Pacific are not so easy to find sometimes, and some is really hard to find in dvd. Most of that list is vhs, and well be getting processed on my computer through to vcd (because I hate tapes).

Not all films are created equal, some are flashy, some are old, some are naval slanted or air slanted. Some are only good on the basis of the actors in them.

But I tend to avoid any film that can only offer a few action sequences and a lot of crud filler.

As I mentioned, if I want action, and I want accuracy, my documentaries are a better choice (and the list of documentaries I have is a very long one :) ).
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Thin Red Line is certainly a love or hate film. I've always found the battle scenes to be among the most effective that i've seen - the hill assault and swirling close quarter assaults are fantastic. The film is definitely indulgent in places but it the fantastic cinamatography helps and, call me perverse, but fighting isn't continous in war and I'm not sure it should be so in a film. The story meanders, but that wasn't a drawback in Apocalypse Now and isn't here. Personally I prefer this to a film like Saving Private Ryan, which came out at the same time but suffered from a formulaic plot (gallant hero shot at the last moment) and a final minute of flag-waving shmaltz.
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Right now, I'm watching a fascinating film dealing with the complicity of musicians with the Nazi party's policies. It is called "Taking Sides" , and stars Harvey Keitel as an Army prosecutor who is investigating the ties of famed German conductor Wilhelm Furtwangler to the Nazi hierarchy.

Apart from the Nuremberg trials, which garnered much publicity, a second series of trials were held as part of the denazification program, dealing with artists and musicians, and this focuses upon one subject of these inquiries. This is an interesting film, which earned Keitel an Academy Award nomination, and asks serious questions about who was and who wasn't guilty of supporting the Third Reich regime, and exactly how that support was defined.

The audience must draw their own conclusion--this film is well-acted and offers food for thought.
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