Rob V miller . Allied game vs. Miller41

[Rob Brennan UK]

LOL .. wont make any differance to my buffalos .. they die at a prodigious rate regardless. MUST upgrade them ASAP .. tempted to keep the experienced ones back till may for the brits and july for the dutch.

anyway i would prefer to keep this thread an AAR rather than a chat room [;)][;)]

[Speedysteve]

Nik is just plain useless....he even loses against the AI. My men are confident that once Manila and Sing are taken the rest will fall like a 'house of cards'

Rob - PI look shaky my friend. I still think the best defence is to focus ALL PHIL forces at one place (Manila being good due to urban bonus BUT bad due to a lack of resource production)

[Rob Brennan UK]

Rob - PI look shaky my friend. I still think the best defence is to focus ALL PHIL forces at one place (Manila being good due to urban bonus BUT bad due to a lack of resource production)

Unfortunately Clarke was clobbered today ..down to fort level 0 . I dont think i can even evacuate before i am forced to retreat and lose a LOT more men.

the PI defence was an experiment and if he follows up on bataan i am forced to remain split up.. not a good situation at all.

The original plan was to defend the triagle to force river crossings untill manilla fell. worked well too. the main error was my persuit into san marc and failing to dislodge the japanese there several weeks ago. It was risky and i knew it.

anyway it has been a lot more interesting than just camping in manilla.

[Rob Brennan UK]

another turn and some very BAD game results related to AA fire

The usual singapore run was a less bloody at 25k alt

Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 23
Ki-21 Sally x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

this alt is pointless .. AA is too effective really

look at this !

Day Air attack on Soerabaja , at 22,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 38
G4M1 Betty x 106

Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 3
Brewster 339D x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 8 destroyed, 80 damaged WHAT !!!

Allied aircraft losses
CW-21B Demon: 3 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
PG Isabel, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Parigi, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Van Diemen, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Speelman, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 17000 feet
15 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
14 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 17000 feet
10 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 17000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 17000 feet
7 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 17000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 17000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 17000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 17000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet

I should be pleased really but its a ridiculous result .. i am guessing most damage was done to the torp loaded a/c as the following days attack was not as bad

Day Air attack on Soerabaja , at 22,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 34
G4M1 Betty x 41

Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 2
Brewster 339D x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed, 31 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
CW-21B Demon: 1 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AP Van Diemen, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Eland Dubois, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 5
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet

Very odd .. i watched the animation and all a/c bombed and didnt launch torps .. is the game firing at a/c at 200ft when they should be at 17k altitude ??

Final results was 30 ! dead elite betties and apparently the groups are destroyed morale wise.

Nik .. this is way too effective .. i'll have to post later on what i had exactly in soerbaja as i needed to send the turn back .. no screen images available either.

anyway .. the rest of the turn

Day Air attack on 33rd/C Division, at 32,29


Allied aircraft
Lysander I x 10
Buffalo I x 21
Hurricane II x 17


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Hurricane II bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Lysander I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd/C Division, at 32,29


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 11
Blenheim I x 9
Blenheim IV x 34
Wellington III x 9
P-26A x 22
P-40B Tomahawk x 23
P-40E Warhawk x 21
B-25C Mitchell x 25


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


All attacks on the forward japanese unit in burma. 3 British brigades at roughly 50-60% TOE are now guarding the rail line directly north of mandalay. no idea if this is enough. The chinese slowly moving on lashio are now prepping for mandalay. 3 more chinese divs will really help the defence.

The allied light forces at PM hit the japanese invasion of Lae .. buna has also been invaded.

Day Air attack on TF at 55,88


Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 16


Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
PG Keijo Maru
AP Monji Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


anyway weather prevented a repeat attack on the next day

Here is clarke field .. oops

Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 94263 troops, 782 guns, 362 vehicles

Defending force 38548 troops, 219 guns, 86 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1609 casualties reported
Guns lost 31
Vehicles lost 10

Allied ground losses:
962 casualties reported
Guns lost 24

Well at least his casualties are bad !

the next day was a lot worse

Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 92879 troops, 740 guns, 360 vehicles

Defending force 36948 troops, 183 guns, 86 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
953 casualties reported
Guns lost 28
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
1790 casualties reported
Guns lost 16
Vehicles lost 2

OUCH .. set to run for bataan .. lets hope they grab some supply on the way as bataan is very very deficient in it.

He is learning how to deal with PT boats too .. i sent on your advice to him

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Day Air attack on TF at 42,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
PT PT-34
PT PT-32
PT PT-33, Shell hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar attacking at 100 feet
4 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar attacking at 100 feet
4 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar attacking at 100 feet
4 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar attacking at 100 feet
4 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar attacking at 100 feet


anyway that it for today .. too late for a 3rd update if a get a turn later on ..

Thank you for reading

Rob

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

ORIGINAL: KDonovan

Downgrade the Hudsons from Signapore, they should have experience close to 70 about now. They are RAAF bombers anyways (despite the SEAC HQ attached to them) so it will be nice to bring the boys closer to home [:)] I believe you should have about 2 groups of 16 giving you 32 experienced TB. Along with the 8 Tiva's in Lautern..thats 40 TB with decent experience. That should make his KB nervous. You might need some better fighters than Buffalos for escorts. Zero's will swat them out of the sky pretty quickly, leaving your TB's to be massacred. I would move in a flight of P40E with at least 65 exp. They'll still get pretty much killed, but at least they'll hold off the zero's long enough for you to get some shots off with your TB's. Lastly, if you really want to make your fortress Timor, your gonna have to move in some SBD's from somewhere to the area. Torps and 1000lb bombs really will create a headache for Miller. I would suggest take a flight or two off one of you carriers down near auckland and transfer them in from sydney. You might as well use all those SBD replacements you have piling up. Of course all this air power might need some more BF, so you might need to move some forces around.

In regards to moving BB's to the area, i would advise against it, the Brit BB's are just too slow to do anything. Plus showing force down at Timor is just gonna invite a strong invasion with KB. You want to avoid that. You want him to think he can take the area with a moderate force (like mini-KB). Better to spring your trap that way. In terms of surface force's, I would make a fast cruiser force instead and base it in NW-australia. That way you can do quick hit and run raids.

Anyways, good luck with everything. I enjoy your AAR alot.

some very good ideas there KD .. yes the aussie hudsons are a good idea. i swopped out a lot of the small 8 plane groups in n australia to beauforts iirc 4 units at high 60's exp. I have just railed up 72 new P40's and 72 new P39's to N australia. also the hurricanes fly 4/5 with this mod so are great escorts for Torp bombers.

The BB's would get to timor hidden .. i.e along the map edge .. then dash in to port .. If as you say they are useless. then i might as well be creative with them .. frees up better ships to stay in derby in relative safety. Yes i may split off the CLAA's and a couple of DD's to Batavia as a decoy group at least.

Getting SBD will be tough as i dislike unloading carrier a/c (seems a bit gamey imo) and i doubt that Ken would do such a thing anyway, he seems a very honorable man so far. Having the US CV's in Perth ( in reserve ) all 5 of em ! .. with the brit CV too should be well hidden from view. afaik he has no idea where my CV's are .. last seen near pago a month ago.

Thank you for your comments.. much appreciated

Rob

I had some luck ambushing Simon in the Java Sea with CVs but I used US + Brit carriers to do it, while KB was off in the Pacific. It put back his invasion plans 2 months though, I trace my general good showing back to that ambush. [:D]

I put the three Brit Royal Sovereign's at Koepang in my game, they raided a Jap force at Balikpapan which strayed beyond air cover very effectively. If you manage to get them in the right place at the right time they really do kick a lot of ass, but getting them there is not easy.

Still, they were useful in the theatre around June time, because they were skulking in Koepang harbour, a powerful force which required KB's attention. And the 250 fighters I had amassed there by then ruined KBs day. [:D] He got the Rs but I wreckes his pilots.

[Nikademus]

Thx Rob.....let me know the loadout when you can. Flak was reduced for 4.5 Its still a bit on the high side for Japan but appears (so far) well tuned for the Allied side. 4.5 will also (as mentioned) also feature a major reduction for AA power in the SRA.

Funny in a way. 30 lost G4M's might be argued as good or bad given all the past debates on port attacks with torpedoes. I also factor in write offs to damage when viewing Air to Air or AA losses....they should not be treated litterally as "only right over the target". (remember too that op losses are greatly underrepresented in the game to preserve pilot lives)

Still...would like to know the flak count (including ships)

[Rob Brennan UK]

Thanks for the reply EUBanana.. only regulated straight ones allowed to post here ! the bent wild variety arent welcome [;)][;)].. same with cucumbers too !

I don't like having assets i cant use ( ie the R class) and the availability of bases on Timor allows fighters at both lautern and koepang

Havnt forgotten what you said to em a few months back about your smashing of the japanese invasions in the DEI with creative carrier use. Given the date, to be effective i need to combine the RN and USN ( and know where KB is too). He is dead quiet in the pacific right now, just mopping up round rabaul.




OK Nik .. yes i guess it could be viewed both ways, just was a bit of a shock really. from memory no combat ships in port. and 2 dutch regiments + 1 DAF av unit and 1-2 dutch base forces. not much really. OH and the CD unit. I'll get a proper gun count next turn. Not had one today as yet, i think friday is bowling day [:D]

can we upgrade mid game to the latest version as i think we are still on the .4 flavoured one

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

can we upgrade mid game to the latest version as i think we are still on the .4 flavoured one

I was going to suggest that maybe you and your partner might want to upgrade to the next version even though your into march42. Another option would be my 42A version of the mod as well. Starts in 5/1/42....Japan has finished all the tedious SRA ops and has invested but not captured all of NG. Japan still has all her resources to use.

The version is not finished yet....so it's truely a 'beta'. but it does have the flak reduction and corrects a serious OOB error inherited from the stock OOB in regards the 4.7in DP as well as the SRA reduction (Grand campaign version). Also features a tweaked Zero (nerfed in 4.0). Still testing the latter. Also planning on cleaning up the UK carrier loadouts

Speedy and I are solderiing on with our 4.0 game though I will probably banzai Singapore for him to speed things up. He's willing to live with the increased Flak vs. 4.5 given that it'll only help him as Japan for my future blasting of his bases [:D]

A new 4.5 beta with Bombur was recently started 42A. Be interesting to see what he can do as Japan.

You'll want to use the WitP public beta with it though....ASW changes removed for the time being.

[Rob Brennan UK]

I really don't want to start a new game , the whole point of my game so far has been to delay/deny .. starting a new 1/5 game is daft and neither will accept it .. looks like i am facing japanese uber flak later on then [:D].. make a change [;)]

Anyway the war progresses .. mostly with a ton of landings and ground combat in the PI and singapore.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/09/42

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TF 87 troops unloading over beach at Lae, 54,87


Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported

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TF 112 troops unloading over beach at Buna, 55,90


Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

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TF 13 troops unloading over beach at Shortlands, 63,93


Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported

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TF 115 troops unloading over beach at Noemfoor, 45,76


Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

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TF 13 troops unloading over beach at Shortlands, 63,93


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TF 115 troops unloading over beach at Noemfoor, 45,76


Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Pagan , at 31,31


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3 WE HIT SOMETHING !

The RAF continue to hurt the advancing japanese

Day Air attack on 1st Tank Regiment, at 32,29


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 19
Blenheim I x 9
Blenheim IV x 28
Wellington III x 11
P-26A x 24
P-40E Warhawk x 24
B-25C Mitchell x 24


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
155 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 11

HE has moved in one div to mandalay from the west to avoid the shock attack river line .. i dont have enough to kick it out i think .. but he does nt have near enough to hurt my level 7 forts either. the cold war in burma begins [:)]

Japs also find a small AK unloading at singapore

Day Air attack on TF, near Singapore at 23,50

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 11
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Ban Ho Guan, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage SINKS


Good news though a 2.5 AK is 2 hexes from bataan ! hurrah ! .. it will be much needed as i have 800 supply here right now ( no where near enough )

Ground phase


Japanese attack singapore to discover the forts made to level 9 ! just in time , although my losses are very high .. no idea why as commanders ok, supply fine , even dis/fat are at worst 18

Ground combat at Singapore

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 108098 troops, 830 guns, 108 vehicles

Defending force 67247 troops, 407 guns, 23 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 9)


Japanese ground losses:
2686 casualties reported
Guns lost 58
Vehicles lost 8

Allied ground losses:
1083 casualties reported
Guns lost 38
Vehicles lost 1

the PI troops put up a spirited defence of clarke as the rest withdraw to bataan

Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 91685 troops, 709 guns, 353 vehicles

Defending force 16507 troops, 55 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
224 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
446 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

PHEW !!!!!!!!!!!!!

He tries again in china at yenen ! .. excellent

Ground combat at Yenen

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 133384 troops, 1267 guns, 11 vehicles

Defending force 59887 troops, 386 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
4418 casualties reported
Guns lost 129
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
469 casualties reported
Guns lost 14


NOT SO GOOD :_

Ground combat at Kavieng

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2821 troops, 17 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 80 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kavieng base !!!



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Ground combat at Lae

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 645 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Lae base !!!



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Ground combat at Buna

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1085 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Buna base !!!


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/10/42


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TF 116 troops unloading over beach at Hollandia, 49,79


Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported

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TF 44 encounters mine field at Saigon (31,46)

Japanese Ships
PG Muro Maru
PG Eiko Maru
PG Chosa Maru
AK Johore Maru, Mine hits 1

HAHA .. mines stil working in saigon harbour ! nice

RAF still do well :-

Day Air attack on 33rd/A Division, at 32,29


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 10
Blenheim I x 7
Blenheim IV x 27
Wellington III x 9
P-26A x 21
P-40E Warhawk x 20
B-25C Mitchell x 24


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

HEHE .. i escaped !

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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 73567 troops, 733 guns, 1 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles .. MISSED !

Everyone back safely in bataan .. no food mind you

right well thats it for todays update ..

TTFN

Rob

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

I really don't want to start a new game , the whole point of my game so far has been to delay/deny .. starting a new 1/5 game is daft and neither will accept it .. looks like i am facing japanese uber flak later on then [:D].. make a change [;)]

Anyway the war progresses .. mostly with a ton of landings and ground combat in the PI and singapore.

Quite understand. Hope the war goes well for you admiral. me....I just got Midway'd......its July 42....KB is smashed and my offensives in the Pacific as Japanese are now over......that'll teach me for being brash. [:D]

[aztez]

He seems to be moving in the South Pacific... Do you Rob intend to fight around Noumea? ...or are you again doing a stand in Port Moresby? (Like you did againts your previous opponent)

[Rob Brennan UK]

I am not sure about the SW pacific yet to be honest. I will try and hold Noumea but i have almost nothing there ! the americal div will arrive pretty soon mind you. PM will be a wait and see strategy (i.e i havn't a clue) .. dont want to commit too little too early and lose it .. and i have prioritised Timor this game .. so the early aussie SW pac brigade went there instead.

Additionally i made a decision to get australia up and running early too. mainly in aviation support which is woefully short ( sending more via ship from brisbane to Darwin (finger crossed) )Brisbane is now 270 AV support and so will townville in a matter of days. this allows the smaller 30 size units to congregate in cooktown to build up early to a size 5 . and cairns to a size 8.

Many odds and sods air units shipping here too mitchells/havocs etc. Mostly to boost N australia and Timor. I have plans to evacuate the AV support from java when no longer needed from the west coast bases Tjiljap and the one near soerbaja. they seem to attract a lot less bomer attention. this will boost derby to 250+ and hopefully timor to 200. 1/2 of ABDA HQ is now in Derby too. I have sent 3 CL and 4 DD back to Timor as a forward screen . Force Z in Derby .. CVL hermes in Tjiljap and 2 CLAA + 3DD in batavia. Various ak's in dull ports so they look full [;)] .

although i suspect a lot less port attacks after the last few days [;)]

anyway .. on with the turn .. quiet couple of days really ..

The AK 2.5k unlading at manilla was strafed by oscars out hunting PT boats .. minot damage and 2/3 unloaded .. with a whopping 1200 supplies in bataan ( need much more) one PA div is 59 miles from san marc to bataan .. and fully supplied too. rest are straggleing badly.

Singapore still on 22k supply .. no more will be sent , its too expensive in ships. and cardes of everything now at mardas.

The RAF hitting his forward troops got bounced by zeros .. i was expecting it to happen sometime

Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 39
Ki-21 Sally x 128
Ki-49 Helen x 51

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 6 damaged


Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port fuel hits 1

Day Air attack on 33rd/A Division, at 32,29

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 15
Blenheim I x 9
Blenheim IV x 34
Wellington III x 9
P-26A x 24
P-40E Warhawk x 24
B-25C Mitchell x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 17 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 9 destroyed
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Blenheim IV: 5 destroyed, 8 damaged
Wellington III: 4 damaged
P-26A: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
162 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1

OUCH ..

The chinese a/f gets better

Day Air attack on 13th Division, at 46,33


Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x IL-4c bombing at 11000 feet
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Day Air attack on 40th Division, at 46,33


Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

nice casualties given the number of bombers .. i sent in some AVG to act as escort from now on. .. also the SB2 force now ready in Sian and will attack tomorrow.

blody rivers ! ..

Ground combat at 46,33

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7795 troops, 47 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 39461 troops, 512 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
877 casualties reported
Guns lost 22

Chinese coming over the river to the hex behind ichang .. he may attack me back tomorrow .. i hope so !

Day 2

Awful weather in burma stopped most flights .. apart from some daft fighter attack that launched without escort

Day Air attack on 1st Tank Regiment, at 32,29

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 28

Allied aircraft
P-36A Mohawk x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-36A Mohawk: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged


BAH .. I just discovered i can upgrade the P26's in Chandpur to P39's .. so i did .. not exactly a sterling aircraft but it is a good bomber killer given the chance.

The rest was the usual stuff .. bases falling etc .. New guinea is now almost all japanese .. incl gili gili which fell today. I usually send one of the 'bird' forces from darwin here . but they went to timor instead , shame as he only attacked with an eng unit .. could have repulsed that easily .. oh well

ok turns over and its the IDES OF MARCH tomorrow (13th march ) .. who is ceasar ? we shall see

[Rob Brennan UK]

for Nik .. the AA guns in soerbaja for the raid. i have replacements off but very few are damaged anyway.

12.7 mm MG 36
3in/20cwt 15
3.7 inch 3
40mm bofors 18
88mm AA gun 14 ( are these like the jerry ones ? )


shipping was negligible .. 2 PG 3 AK .. so a few extra mg's
actually more than i thought .. if he had been low level bombing the results would have been ok . but at 17k feet a bit too extreme. I am almost convinced the AA fired at 200 ft instead of 17k.. is the code capable of doing this, given the erroneous torp attack text.

[Speedysteve]

Hi Rob,

Seems to me like the results are not too bad considering the level of AA you had there. Maybe most of the losses were the torp carrying aircraft? At such low level and with that level of AA a fair few paper planes could have been downed.............

[Rob Brennan UK]

ORIGINAL: Speedy

Hi Rob,

Seems to me like the results are not too bad considering the level of AA you had there. Maybe most of the losses were the torp carrying aircraft? At such low level and with that level of AA a fair few paper planes could have been downed.............

OH i agree if they had actually dropped torps .. i missed the first reply but the second was all bombing even though the report says " torps dropped at 200ft" .. all hits were bombs.

very confusing and not really niks problem if the program gets confused over altitude .. but we are beta testers ( so it seems )[;)][;)]

[Nikademus]

Judging by the combat report, i'd say the culprit was the torpedo attacks. 200-2000 feet level would be dangerous, esp for the bulky unarmored twin Betties. I think you are referring to the 80mm AA gun, not the 88mm.

I'm getting plausible results so far in my 42A AI test using the 4.5 reduced values but as with the game with Speedy, i'm careful to access situations knowing the changed aspect of the game. I won't port attack a well defended port with torp carrying aircraft for the reason seen in your AAR.....i did recently successfully pummel Port Morosby using a high alt Torp bomber attack on airfield. (no dive bombers due to the 2000 feet hard coded attack routine for them) It does make it very hard to quickly and/or completely shut down a base which I think ultimately is a good thing.

Care when stacking LCU's remains an issue though, which was why i put it in the FAQ. As with anything else one can 'game' the system.

[Rob Brennan UK]

Care when stacking LCU's remains an issue though, which was why i put it in the FAQ. As with anything else one can 'game' the system.

I never knew you could change the stacking, i just leave it as is and trust to luck .. seems fair to me [:D]

Problem is nik these guys didnt torpedo attack. so imo flak at 17k feet given the guns was a bit too tough .. anyway its over with now and we both learnt lessons on port strikes [;)]
I wrote down 88mm .. i'll check, may well hav seen the number and assumed 88mm instead ( kind of sticks in the mind that calaibre gun[:D][:D])

Thnaks for the replies everyone .. time to catch up of speedster vs niks thread

[Nikademus]

there may have been a glitch which is one reason i never set Port attack as a secondary mission but the combat report shows G4M's dropping torps. Now given the fact that ships were reported hit by "bombs" does not necessarily mean that the code "treated" them flak wise as if they were at 17,000 feet. My guess is it treated them as at 200 feet which would explain the heavy loss/write off for the bombers. It would also account for why the report says dropping torps at 200 feet.

I've never lost 30 Jap bombers at 17,000 feet even to 50 HAA guns

[Rob Brennan UK]

Thats exactly my point .. is that possibly due to it being a secondary target ?

[Nikademus]

I suspect it to be. I havn't run into the issue when i set port attack as the primary objective. Another reason I do this is that i noted that when airgroups are set to Naval attack with either airfield or port as secondary....*torpedo aircraft will often attack naval targets with ***bombs**** instead of torps.* This is true even if they are attacking at normal range (vs. extended) and the base has adequate supply.

The only difference flak wise is that the code does ack ack them at the proper height when they are dropping the bombs.