OT: Corona virus

[BBfanboy]

About the rental trucks loading up groceries - in the Winnipeg area we have several Hutterite colonies and it is not unusual for them to arrive with a big box truck (one ton or three ton) and buy lots of non-perishable items from Costco. They are buying for hundreds in their colony.
Similarly, some of the small communities in the bush country near the Whiteshell Park have small grocery/dry goods stores and they will come and buy up stuff including some produce and meats, poultry and seafoods. Usually a large pickup truck is used. I have no problem with that - the goods are being distributed.

Wish I had bought some Purell, Clorox and Javex stock before the panic buying hit!

[RFalvo69]

Five more doctors died today in Lombardy, bringing the tally to 13. Two of them were already retired but returned to work when the emergency hit.

Medical authorities are recruiting young medicine students still 9 months away from their final exams (thus also without Graduation). This should bring an increase of 13,000 souls in the workforce - even if their preparation level is barely acceptable.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

Five more doctors died today in Lombardy, bringing the tally to 13. Two of them were already retired but returned to work when the emergency hit.

Medical authorities are recruiting young medicine students still 9 months away from their final exams (thus also without Graduation). This should bring an increase of 13,000 souls in the workforce - even if their preparation level is barely acceptable.

Will the government provide malpractice insurance for these people?

[pontiouspilot]

Now I could be encouraged to use more hand sanitizer if it was a good single malt...perhaps Balbir or Jura.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

Now I could be encouraged to use more hand sanitizer if it was a good single malt...perhaps Balbir or Jura.

Aren't those after-shave lotions? To attract Scots lassies?

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

My wife and I went to a nearby favorite restaurant last night. The staff told is that was their last night open. Wife and I wrote separately predications as to when we'll next go. Wife wrote 4/4; I wrote 4/18. She's more of an optimist that I am!

This is interesting. Let's all have a go and see what people predict.

My guess: 6/10/20 (US date system mn/day/yr)

[tolsdorff]

ORIGINAL: sanderz


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Uninformed is a bit of an understatement, you seem to have absolutely no idea about the effects of the virus or why restrictions have been put into place by various governments.

I only know a little, but I can rebuff.
Given the very low number of sick people and even lower number of dead, many people seem to have absolutely no idea about the catastrophic effects all the disproportianal measures to combat this, at the moment somewhat negligible, disease have on the economy, the livelihood of people. how people pay bills.

Just to sum up, what I guess most people agree upon in the mean time:
Most people that get sick do not get symptoms.
Of the people that do, most people recover.
Only a few, unfortunately, pass away. Really a few. Most of whom, are sick elderly people.

In this age, where slight worry turns into public hysteria so easily through social media, i think it is not more than prudent to point these things out.

Every year there are about 2000+ influenza deaths in Holland. Millions get sick every year. This happens every year. The 'Covid'counter is at 60 deaths.
What would happen if the Covid measures were taken on the same scale for influenza? The worldwide economic damage would number in the trillions, but it would be for a disease that kills more than Covid.

Rightfully, good sense prevails then, why not now?

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

My wife and I went to a nearby favorite restaurant last night. The staff told is that was their last night open. Wife and I wrote separately predications as to when we'll next go. Wife wrote 4/4; I wrote 4/18. She's more of an optimist that I am!

This is interesting. Let's all have a go and see what people predict.

My guess: 6/10/20 (US date system mn/day/yr)

So the question is "When do you think you (or do you mean CR and wife) will be able to go to a restaurant for a sit-down meal again?"
The virus is just starting to hit here but I think it will be contained and business restarted by Monday May 25.
In Georgia, around May 11.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: tolsdorff

Just to sum up, what I guess most people agree upon in the mean time:
Most people that get sick do not get symptoms.
Of the people that do, most people recover.
Only a few, unfortunately, pass away. Really a few. Most of whom, are sick elderly people.

In this age, where slight worry turns into public hysteria so easily through social media, i think it is not more than prudent to point these things out.

Rightfully, good sense prevails then, why not now?

So. Here are rates by age group. The mortality rate averaged for 0-59 is 0.46% (well above the rate for seasonal flu, adjusted for vaccinated population at 0.1%)

The Netherlands has currently about 13 million people in this age range. So you're saying that 59,800 people in this category dying from this disease (in addition to the much higher rates of older people, another 352,000 in the older age ranges) does not warrant this reaction internationally?

These of course would be low numbers, because as we've seen, without these measures, health care quickly becomes overwhelmed and mortality rates go up for all.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ographics/

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

My wife and I went to a nearby favorite restaurant last night. The staff told is that was their last night open. Wife and I wrote separately predications as to when we'll next go. Wife wrote 4/4; I wrote 4/18. She's more of an optimist that I am!

This is interesting. Let's all have a go and see what people predict.

My guess: 6/10/20 (US date system mn/day/yr)

So the question is "When do you think you (or do you mean CR and wife) will be able to go to a restaurant for a sit-down meal again?"
The virus is just starting to hit here but I think it will be contained and business restarted by Monday May 25.
In Georgia, around May 11.

I'll play. Here in the Triangle region of NC, where half of the state's infections are located, restaurants have been closed for dining in for several days already. That's actually the state wide regulation from the governor. My most optimistic estimate is dining out again with my wife here on my birthday, May 17th. If it's much later than that, I fear it could be months later than May. Either we'll have a 6-8 week cycle of this and then it will miraculously go away, as the numbers from China would have us believe, or we're in it for the long haul.

I'll keep my hopes up and go with May 17th. [:)]

[MakeeLearn]

99% of patients killed by Coronavirus in Italy had existing illnesses, new study finds
19 March 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... finds.html

"Research into 355 deaths found that only three (0.8%) had no other illnesses

Nearly half of them - 48.5% - already had three or even more health conditions

Another 25.6% had two other 'pathologies', while 25.1% had one other illness"

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

Five more doctors died today in Lombardy, bringing the tally to 13. Two of them were already retired but returned to work when the emergency hit.

Medical authorities are recruiting young medicine students still 9 months away from their final exams (thus also without Graduation). This should bring an increase of 13,000 souls in the workforce - even if their preparation level is barely acceptable.

Will the government provide malpractice insurance for these people?

Unclear. My guess is "probably". They are part of the first phase of the "Heal Italy" decree - 25 billions Euro available right now and totally devoted to fightning the virus (by building hospitals, buying ICUs, expanding the personnel..) I hope they don't missed such an important coverage.

[MakeeLearn]

"The current world population is 7.8 billion as of March 2020 according to the most recent United Nations estimates elaborated by Worldometer."


This combined with our modes of travel, we are a virus' wet dream.

[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus Blood Type: Does Being Type A or Type O Elevate Risk?
Mar 17, 2020
https://heavy.com/news/2020/03/coronavi ... -a-type-o/

"As reported by the South China Morning Post, after studying 2,000 patients infected with the virus, people with blood type A looked to be prone to serious infection by COVID-19."


"Blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease compared with non-O blood groups."

[witpqs]

There are lots of comparisons made here and in conversations elsewhere to flu viruses which travel around the world each year. I understand there are still many unknowns about COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2, and I do not claim to have answers to those outstanding questions. What I do know is those experts and officials who claim this is a very serious worldwide situation are looking at what many or most experts believe is in the process of happening or will happen unless effective intervention is made. Be they right or wrong I don't claim to know.

Today more than 1,000 deaths were reported from this disease. With the possible exception of early on in a place where numbers might have been misreported or poorly reported, this was the first day with deaths over 1,000. Presumably the number of deaths per day will continue to increase for some period.

This study makes reference to other studies which conclusions it agrees with. A reasonable figure of deaths worldwide from the flu is about 389,000 per year.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/

The number of 1,079 deaths reported so far today is just above that rate. For whatever this perspective is worth, the death rate is at the moment about equal to the flu and continued increases at the recent rate of change would put it well beyond the flu.

[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus latest news: China reports no new local cases
Latest coronavirus news as of 6PM GMT on 19 March

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... z6HBRzzYdZ


"For the first time since the outbreak began in late December, China reported that yesterday there were no new local cases of the coronavirus. The lockdown could be lifted in Wuhan, China, once there are no new cases for 14 days, according to the China Daily newspaper. In Italy, the number of people who have died has overtaken China.

The probability of dying after developing symptoms of covid-19 in Wuhan, where the new coronavirus was first detected, was 1.4 per cent as of 29 February, according to a new study. This is lower than was previously thought."

[MakeeLearn]

Ceasefire..... I fixed the post above.

[pontiouspilot]

I have been opportunistically pricing all the posh London hotels, just for the hell of it. I could actually afford to stay at the Savoy...prices look to be 1/2-1/3 of the normal outrageous rate. Maybe I will be an optimist and book as long as there is free cancellation.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

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[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus: Italy Death Toll Surpasses China’s Official Count
19 Mar 2020

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/0 ... ial-count/


"An additional 427 people have died in Italy in the last 24 hours alone, bringing the nation’s overall coronavirus death toll to 3,405 as of Thursday — surpassing China’s official death toll, as reported by the Chinese communist government.

Newly released data from Italy’s Civil Protection reveals that the country’s death toll has jumped from 2,978 deaths on Wednesday to 3,405 on Thursday, as well as from 35,713 confirmed cases on Wednesday to 41,035 on Thursday."